Help with products and process

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mnbv

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I am about to order my products, a complete overhall. This car probably has never been polished. Here is a pic of the swirls.

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I have been researching and posting a bunch on here. This should be my last thread on this. Lets start at the beginning.

EO wet wash

Clay Magic

EO wet car wash

Completely dry



For polishes, I will try to do them by hand (I have a good idea of how to do this) before I invest in a pc.

What would you recommend to use by hand for polishes for my swirls? I was thinking SSR2.5, SSR1, S100 SECP. What can you recommed for the 1z polishing line for my swirls? I have heard that 1z polishes are good to use by hand. I may later convert to pc also. I am very willing to spend a whole day just polishing if needed to save 200$ on pads and a pc for now. We will see how I feel about that after I do this. :p



After polishing, I would like to keep a brighter red when sealing and waxing, I have noticed that many sealers and waxes darken the color a lot, I would like to keep this to a minimem. I have noticed nxt and AIO (separatly) darken too much for my tastes for example. Perhaps wolfgang sealent and s100 if wanted? Wolfgang look amazing on gsrstyle's red integra, I may go with that.



For applicators and MF, I have right now 3 usable khaki buffing towels and a UDT. I will get 5 more buffing/scrubing towels from pakshak, 1-2 glass towels, 1 pint microrestore, 1 pro detailing towel to try out and 2-3 MF applicators, I have one foam applicator also for paint (others for interior and trim application with 303)



I think that is about it. I have more pictures if needed. Feel free to criticize, give advice, ask questions etc.



Thanks for looking.
 
Polishes: VM, PwC, Tropi-Care should be pretty good by hand. For the 1Z try PP, MPW. Use a MF applicator. I don't think your going to get those out by hand, but I guess you can try.



Sealants/Waxes: EX, EX-P, Glanz Wax, S100, PBs Natty's Try them and see which one's you like on your paint.



QD: Quik Shine, FI, FD, Crystal Mist
 
mnbv- You can pretty much flip a coin between the PoorBoy's and 1Z polishes, you won't go wrong with either.



I do like the 1Z stuff, and I believe it leaves a very "clear" finish, something you might appreciate since you don't want to darken the paint. In my experience, sealants often *do* darken it slightly (I compare my two silver Audis, same paint, with different products on them). Since BF and UPP both darken the paint a bit, the WG might do it too.



Using a natural wax or maybe EX-P might give you the look you're after. I always seem to recommend Meg's #16 for jobs like this...



Oh, and as for your not minding spending all day, sometimes you can spend *several* days even when using machines! This stuff can take a long time, at least when you're doing the first big job.
 
Yes #16 after polishing with#80 looks great on red.I've gotten more compliments and jaws dropping on it.Although I don't think to many here would think so.:nixweiss
 
I've used SSR 2.5 and followed up with Tropi-Care's Swirl Cutter and been very happy with the results. On some heavily scratched/swirled vehicles, I've done some SSR 3, SSR 2.5 and finished up with the TC Swirl Cutter and the results have been excellent.



Unfortunately I dont have any of the 1Z stuff to compare against but the above combination has worked better than anything else I have on my supply shelf.
 
Hmm, for polishes it is eather PB's or 1Z. this is what autopia's shop said about UPP:

Einszett Ultra Paint Polish is a paint cleaner and medium cut rubbing compound for dull and weathered paintwork.



I would use that (even though not interested in the paint cleaning part as I will be claying) and then PP to follow:

Einszett Paint Polish is a general purpose polish and cleaner for lightly oxidized paintwork in good condition. By hand, Einszett Paint Polish gently cleans, reduces swirl marks and enhances gloss.



I could eather go that route or go with SSR2.5, SSR1, here is a description I found on autogeek:

Swirl Remover 2.5—more than a polish, less than a compound—is heavy enough to effectively handle surface blemishes such as swirls, oxidation, fine scratches



then:



SSR1: The pink lotion gently takes out light swirls, oxidation, fine scratches



After getting out most of the swirls with eather on of those, I will get a precleaner for the sealent like: VM, speed glaze, hand glaze or wolfgang pre-wax (sealent in my case) polish to really prep the paint well. It's all in the prep right? Most of these really fine polishes fill swirls and create more gloss, not a bad thing!



Right now it is eather wolfgang or EX-P for a sealent, both leave a great finish that I have seen. wolfgang looked a bit better on red (I have only seen one pic though). It was not as wet looking, but glowed a lot more. choices choices...



I will probably be topping with a good wax, I am thinking of S100 over one of those sealents to try. If I do use a topping wax, I will need a QD to lengthen the life of the wax and to reduce washings needed, I heard sonus was good for this. What would you guys reccomend out of what I have listed?
 
I agree with pretty much everything Accumulator said.



I say Poorboy's Polishes (haven't used 1z). I'd do 2.5, then 1 for final polishing.



EX-P will not darken your paint and is a great sealant (clear and wet appearance). Also, to top it, try S100 or #16, they will not darken either.



As far as Wolfgang, if I remember correctly, it didn't really darken the finish, but left a very 'glowing' appearance.



Either sealant, a great choice.



Good Luck!
 
I will hand polish with poorboys polishes I have decided, 2.5 then 1. Before I seal, what would you reccomend for a pre-sealent cleaner/very fine polish? I figure this will fill in any swirls that I can't get out by hand (for now).

I may get both wolfgang and EX-P, I love the look of both and I would love to try both. Your avaitar is with wolfgang 3x. :up

I'll try s100 to top.

What about a QD for the products that I am using?

One more thing, for hand polishing I know I will be using many terry cloth applicators for that. For the pre-sealent, I assume MF applicator, same (not same one) for the sealent and wax? I will be getting this from packshak, and the rest from autogeek. I have a feeling this will turn out great. I am also getting a halogen light to make sure I get everything. :xyxthumbs
 
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