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Excuse the stupid question, but I've never used Klasse before... I'm a Z-fan. :up



Well, I've decided to try Klasse on my wife's 1998 Accord. I use Zaino on my cars (both 2002's), but I just have this feeling that Klasse is the right choice for her car (it's kind of beige).



Question... do you need to wait in-between coats of AIO and SG? I'd like to do both the same day. I'd also like to apply multiple coats of SG if possible. Can this be done in one day? I'll be using a PC for the AIO, and I guess I'll do the SG by hand.



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The ALL In One is a VERY mild cleaner that will hide swirl marks that wicked small.



Basically, the ideal setup would be:



wash the car

clay the car

polish the car

All In One the car

Glaze the car



You DO NOT want to use All In One after you start layering the Glaze because the All In One is a cleaner and will strip the Glaze.



Think of the All In One as the pre-wax (no need to wait for the next layer or removal, once you apply it you can remove it right away) and the Glaze as the wax. It is known that you need to wait at LEAST 30 minutes in between each layer of Glaze, some people don't think so, they like to wait a full day. I wait 45 minutes to and hour.



If there are any questions I didn't answer, post again and I'll help with whatever I can.
 
joed1228 - How about in between the AIO and the SG... do I need to wait? I'll probably use Meguiar's Medallion Cleaner before the AIO.
 
You should:



use Meguiars cleaner

use all in one



right after your done with the removal of the all in one you can start the glaze application, no need to wait in between



Just a little f.y.i. the third layer of Glaze is really going to give you a nice look, after that it just gets a little better each time.... I have fooled around and applied 8 layers.
 
Most people do not wait in between an AIO and SG application. The AIO layer is so thin, there won't be any 'gumming up' problems from applying SG to an uncured layer of AIO.
 
All In One, when applied correctly is the easiest product to remove I have ever dealt with. If the rest of detailing products were that easy to remove I would line the cars up and detail 3 at a time. It's wicked easy, the pressure of your hand on the towel will remove 90%+ of the All In One.



I apply it with a damp pad however.
 
I've heard that SG is a tempermental PITA to use? Can you guys give me any tips to ease the pain? Can I use the PC w/finishing pad? Or should I just do it by hand...
 
Apply SG in very, very thin coats with a slightly dampened applicator (most use foam). You should barely see any on the paint and use less than an ounce per coat (less than .75 would be great, most easily attainable with a dampened applicator IMO).
 
I would use the PC, it saves alot of time. Klasse Glaze can be a pain at first, the main thing is, you need to layer it on VERY thin. If your used to Zaino then you shouldn't have a problem with this. Just remember to layer it on thin, I cannot stress this enough. If not, it's like the stuff is melted into your paint, it can be very hard to remove and very time consuming, you'll have to use alot of pressure and could cause swirl marks as a result of all the labor.



I am a slow learner, I need to mess up to figure it out, it took me half of my car on the first day and from there I never had a problem with it. You basically apply the stuff with a PC thin to the point where it is hard to see. Althought it may no seem like enough if there, trust me, your all set, a little goes a long way. After your done with the car you can have a quick snack and a drink and then start buffing it out. It should come off a little more difficult than All In One but it shouldn't be a problem at all.



What color is the car you will be using Klasse on?
 
No matter how thin I apply KSG, it's always a PITA to buff off. The only way to make buffing easier is to very lightly mist your MF with water or use a wrung damp MF as your first pass and a dry MF for your second pass.
 
I always heard the water can reverse or pro-long the "curing" effect of the Glaze. Your saying it doesn't though? Hmm, I know it would make it 100 times easier if I could use a damp cloth.



It's odd you say it is hard to remove no matter what... I don't have a problem, sure it's not fancy wax or All In One but it's not hard for me.
 
Joed 1228, oh no, I'm not saying that at all. :) In fact, you are probably right! I wouldn't be surprised at all if it have an adverse effect on the cross-linking time, not to mention the annoying 'hazing' problem that a few of us had. If you are able to buff it out without the aid of water, then definitely do it that way.



BTW, what do you use to buff with? MF or cotton?
 
You can apply 3 coats of SG.



But I think the jury is out on wether you get all the layers to cure properly or end up with one layer curing.



Check the archives or maybe the detailing for a thread about cure times. It has a lot of views.
 
Ok, i got a similar question.. havent really had time to try out all the products i got from CMA over a month ago, but this weekend looks like it will be perfect..





Tell me if the following is a good procedure:



Wash Pathy with dawn to remove all old crap

Pinnacle Paint Cleanser

AIO

Sealant/Glaze

Zymol Carnuba wax







how do i go about putting more than 1 layer of AIO?

Put first layer, then remove, then again? or Just apply once, let dry, and just keep applying?
 
Pathfinderguy, I am planning on using Klasse on the first warm weekend here. I believe that you only need one coat of AIO. It is basically a prep for the SG and will remove old products that you had on the car that weren't removed by the Dawn wash and fills in minor swirls.
 
Alan B, you can go straight from AIO to carnauba but what is the point of leaving SG?

You will be missing a lot! SG will give you additional protection, nicer gloss and hide swirls. IMHO 3 layers of SG is a must before you go to carnauba.

PathfinderGuy, there is no reason to apply AIO twice, you can't layer it like SG because it will remove any previous layers.
 
InterMezzo - I use Royal Velvet towels. These towels are pretty soft so even if I do need to apply pressure it's not as bad as a thinner towel or some of the microfibers (the ones I have seen are thin, I know there are thicker ones but most people I know use the thin ones).



Pat300ZX - You can get away with one layer of the All In One but I am pretty sure if you have a dark car, the second layer of All In One will give you a noticable difference in slickness and shine. It really helps me with my red car.



PathFinderGuy - You plan sounds a-ok but I just have one little thing I thought you may want to look for. The Pinnacle Paint Cleanser is not very abrasive (which is not bad), it repairs the smaller swirls and from what I was told it uses fillers and oils to fill the deeper swirls. If this is true, the All In One may strip some of the oil and allow some of the larger swirls to re-appear. Let me know how it turns out, if you want to save yourself the time you can run through those steps on a single panel and check it out. If you really want to use the Pinnacle Paint Cleanser then all you need to do is make sure the surface has no swirls and skip the All In One and go straight to the Glaze.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by F1Crazy [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Alan B, you can go straight from AIO to carnauba but what is the point of leaving SG?
You will be missing a lot! SG will give you additional protection, nicer gloss and hide swirls. IMHO 3 layers of SG is a must before you go to carnauba. [/b]</blockquote>
I used tos top layering the Glaze to top it all off with a nice wax but the shine from the Glaze to my Blitz wax wasn't anything to brag about, sure, it was slicker but only a little more shiny.

I would rather keep layering the Glaze to enchance the shine/protection I get from the Glaze than stop and just get the minimal shine enchancment and short life from wax (I use Blitz).
 
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