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gofastman

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I'm looking to buy my first pistol soon and I have more or less settled on the Glock 20 10mm

I would like some advice for those in the know. I have a very large hand. is the short frame model still a good idea?

Is it wise to go with the compensated model? I understand the 10mm, when loaded properly, is a fairly hot round, but in reality Is the recoil that sharp?

I shot a few other pistols in the past, what does it most directly compare to:

.41 Mag

Glock 22 .40S&W(loved it!)

Taurus .357 Mag

Israeli Arms .45 ACP
 
I would recommend .40S&W over 10mm because the ammunition is less expensive and more available. I am a big guy (6'3" and 230) and I also have big hands, I have no problems using my father's Glock 23. That's the beauty of Glock's design, it really fits any user. That being said, I prefer the design of the H&K USP.



The recoil falls somewhere between 40S&W and .45ACP. A compensator would probably be unnecessary.
 
carn00bie said:
I'm looking to buy my first pistol soon and I have more or less settled on the Glock 20 10mm

I would like some advice for those in the know. I have a very large hand. is the short frame model still a good idea?
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Probably. People with large hands usually do OK with that frame. Try some fast magazine changes and see if you pinch your hand when seating the magazine. That's more likely to be "the issue" than anything else IMO.



Is it wise to go with the compensated model?
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Only if it's a target/recreation gun IMO. For business I'd keep it simple.

I understand the 10mm, when loaded properly, is a fairly hot round, but in reality Is the recoil that sharp?
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The compensator probably won't do as much for this as you'd think. IMO the 10mm is hot enough in that gun that you oughta have a *VERY* good reason for going with that caliber or else it'll be a mistake.



I'd bet most anything that your follow up shots will be *much* slower than with a lighter caliber.



If you're thinking self-defense, IMO nobody you shoot with it will ever stop/not because of the chosen caliber.



I shot a few other pistols in the past, what does it most directly compare to:

.41 Mag

Glock 22 .40S&W(loved it!)

Taurus .357 Mag

Israeli Arms .45 ACP
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IMO it doesn't really compare to *any* of those as a Glock in a *hot* caliber is simply different. If you liked the 22 then I'd stick with a .40 caliber.



FWIW, guys like Jim Yeager (who's probably trained more Glock shooters than anybody else) always urge people to stick with 9mm for their Glocks, and the people he's training are very serious, using them in life/death work. Do an internet search on "James Yeager" and/or "Tactical Response".



Plus, 9mm is *cheap* and to get decent with the thing you'll need to burn through thousands of rounds, which would cost a bit in 10mm.
 
I'm still set on the 10 mm for now, thanks for the advise though.

I was reading a bit and one person said you can get a compensated model and buy a separate non ported barrel to have the best of both worlds, any thoughts on this? I'm a little uneasy about modifying guns unless its 100% safe, ya know?
 
carn00bie said:
I'm still set on the 10 mm for now, thanks for the advise though.

I was reading a bit and one person said you can get a compensated model and buy a separate non ported barrel to have the best of both worlds, any thoughts on this? I'm a little uneasy about modifying guns unless its 100% safe, ya know?
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I don't know *that* much about Glocks so I can't say whether swapping barrels back and forth is feasible. I'd *guess* that it's no big deal and that any minor fitting issues would be simple/easy/cheap for some Glock armorer to do. I mean...most *any* auto can be set up with different barrel/slide/etc. combos, although all of mine like that seem to do better/worse with one particular setup.



If going that route, I think I'd get the gun with the nonported barrel so any fiddling was related to the ported one.



Eh...I'm just not a fan of porting, it's simply a personal thing of mine and I don't want to beat you over the head with it. But, ever shoot a ported gun in a dark environment? Yuck, though it can make for a cool photo.



You oughta check out one of the Glock forums that're undoubtedly out there and see what they say. Just beware of those internet experts with more opinions than knowledge ;)
 
Are you buying these online or something? I have a few firearms and before I have bought any of mine, I was able to fire them before buying. Maybe ask your local dealer to shoot a round and get a feel for it?
 
I have a Glock 26 (9mm) and I love it. I have shot the Glock 23 and it has a lot of kick for such a small framed weapon. I found the 26 to be much more accurate as a back up gun. If I had to choose a full framed Glock it would be the 22 in 40 cal.
 
Accumulator said:




FWIW, guys like Jim Yeager (who's probably trained more Glock shooters than anybody else) always urge people to stick with 9mm for their Glocks, and the people he's training are very serious, using them in life/death work. Do an internet search on "James Yeager" and/or "Tactical Response".
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Isn't he the guy that got his teammates killed in Iraq for forgetting to disengage a parking brake(which shouldn't have been engaged to begin with) and then panicking. Then he had to gall to blame THEM for his mistake, and later became notorious for having a photographer downrange taking shots of novice students WHILE THEY WERE FIRING
 
carn00bie said:
I'm still set on the 10 mm for now, thanks for the advise though.
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Is there a reason why? You do realise that .40 s&w used to be called 10mm short, because it's essentially the same round as the 10mm lite(same bullet and powder charge, but shortened case for ergonomics) which was developed for the FBI because it was determined that full power 10mm produced unmanageable recoil in addition to stress fracturing frames.



Commercial 10mm is powered inbetween the original 10mm load and 10mm light, .40+p rounds are inbetween 10mm lite and commercial 10mm.
 
Barrels are super easy to swap out on the Glock, I could do it in a minute or so.



23 has such a sharp recoil because it has such a small frame. Heavier frame = less noticed recoil, lighter frame = more noticed recoil.
 
gbackus said:
Isn't he the guy that got his teammates killed in Iraq for forgetting to disengage a parking brake(which shouldn't have been engaged to begin with) and then panicking. Then he had to gall to blame THEM for his mistake, and later became notorious for having a photographer downrange taking shots of novice students WHILE THEY WERE FIRING
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AFAIK neither story is true at least not regarding the Yeager in question. I'd bet my life that the Iraq story isn't true if only because a) AFAIK he never served there and b) he's considered an expert on vehicular operation in combat and he'd ream a student over something like that.



The downrange photog story *does* sound a little familiar, but if the photog was cool with it that's OK with me. (I've had live rounds flying/impacting *VERY* close to me in training, even caught significant ricocet splatter, such stuff is a feature IMO ;) good prep for the real world. )



Note I've never trained with Yeager/Tactical Response and I don't know him personally, but some of the people I do train with are good friends of his and everyone I've ever met who knows him has spoken highly of him. I only mentioned him as he's very Glock-centric.
 
Accumulator said:
AFAIK neither story is true at least not regarding the Yeager in question. I'd bet my life that the Iraq story isn't true if only because a) AFAIK he never served there and b) he's considered an expert on vehicular operation in combat and he'd ream a student over something like that.



The downrange photog story *does* sound a little familiar, but if the photog was cool with it that's OK with me. (I've had live rounds flying/impacting *VERY* close to me in training, even caught significant ricocet splatter, such stuff is a feature IMO ;) good prep for the real world. )



Note I've never trained with Yeager/Tactical Response and I don't know him personally, but some of the people I do train with are good friends of his and everyone I've ever met who knows him has spoken highly of him. I only mentioned him as he's very Glock-centric.
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It wasn't iraq, i was wrong about the location, but it's definately the guy



YouTube - James Yeager: Edinborough Risk Ambush
 
There are two types of folk out there, the Glock lovers and the Glock haters. I am a Glock hater. They are a great weapon, very reliable and affordable (unlike the Kimber Ultra Carry II that I want, too expensive). But, I find them very uncomfortable to hold and fire. IMHO the only way to figure out which Glock to get is to test them, do a range rental and try them out. I am the proud owner of a Springfield XD in .40cal. I love that gun, love it, love it, love it. Accurate as hell and very reliable, one stove pipe in the 15,000+ rounds put down range so far (I got cheap on a box of target ammo will never use MagTech again). I would suggest forgetting about 10mm, go with the 40. It's a great round.

If the pistol is to be for self defense, think about how it will affect your night vision. Plays havoc with mine.
 
Fat-Whillie said:
There are two types of folk out there, the Glock lovers and the Glock haters..
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Well, I'm kinda in the middle. I'm pretty neutral about them and I keep thinking I'd like using one if I got familiar enough with it (and maybe had a few dimensions whittled down).



It doesn't wow me the way some others do, it's no piece of art.. but as tools go I do believe it gets the job done and I bet more people would score more hits with a Glock than with a whole lotta other ("better") choices. I've seen newbies get up to speed with them *right away*.



.. I am the proud owner of a Springfield XD in .40cal. I love that gun, love it, love it, love it. Accurate as hell and very reliable, one stove pipe in the 15,000+ rounds put down range..
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Wow, that's impressive reliability, and an impressive round count too :xyxthumbs



bufferbarry said:
wow accumulator knows rifles and pistols? hmmmm I never knew..
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Heh heh, I might know more about firearms as I do about detailing ;) Not that *that* might be saying all that much :chuckle:



But I'd say I'm more into somewhat older stuff, Glocks/etc. are a bit space-age for my taste and fall into the "just a tool" category for me.





gbackus said:
It wasn't iraq, i was wrong about the location, but it's definately the guy...[youtube link]..
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Thanks for posting that, it does give one food for thought and explains your take on him. I try to *not* Monday-morning-quarterback events like that myself, but I understand your position.



I'll still take his advice on some topics though, including Glocks.



For that matter, I've learned a *lot* from some guys I that I sure wouldn't want to be with on a two-way range ;)
 
Glocks are great guns, but I like my Springfield 9XDSC. You need to be very good with whatever you own. Caliber means nothing if you cannot hit your target.
 
Fat-Whillie said:
There are two types of folk out there, the Glock lovers and the Glock haters. I am a Glock hater. They are a great weapon, very reliable and affordable (unlike the Kimber Ultra Carry II that I want, too expensive). But, I find them very uncomfortable to hold and fire. IMHO the only way to figure out which Glock to get is to test them, do a range rental and try them out. I am the proud owner of a Springfield XD in .40cal. I love that gun, love it, love it, love it. Accurate as hell and very reliable, one stove pipe in the 15,000+ rounds put down range so far (I got cheap on a box of target ammo will never use MagTech again). I would suggest forgetting about 10mm, go with the 40. It's a great round.

If the pistol is to be for self defense, think about how it will affect your night vision. Plays havoc with mine.
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There are two type of folk Springfield xd lovers and Springfield xd haters. Im a XD hater. It also is a great gun I just think that the few added features on it such as; raised bump thing when there is one in the chamber is dumb and is just something to get snagged and if you need that to see there is a round in your gun you have no business owning a gun, and the post in the back, also pointless, the biggest thing I HATE is the grip "safety" just something else to break... this sounds dumb but my finger is my "safety". In the XD's defense I have shot a XD 45 and was very very impressed but Glocks have a special spot in my heart.



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there was a reason the FBI stopped using the 10mm... go with a .40



I don't want to start a :argue but thats my .02 everyone likes something different.
 
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