Getting ready to use new 4 inch pads...

mc01ta

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Just received my new orange and yellow 4 inch pads to use via PC for swirl/scratch removal. A few weeks ago I ran into not being able to budge swirls (Kia clearcoat) by either yellow or orange pad with OC, SSR 2.4 or IP. Figured I would try the pads first before buying a stronger polish.



Whats some good advice in using the 4 inch pads. I've read people say move them faster and don't leave them in one spot for a period of time. What about speed to use? 5-6?



Thanks!
 
mc01ta said:
Whats some good advice in using the 4 inch pads. I've read people say move them faster and don't leave them in one spot for a period of time. What about speed to use? 5-6?



Thanks!



My 4" orange pads seem a lot happier at 5 than they do at 6. Never tried yellow 4" on the PC so you'll have to experiment unless somebody has an answer.



Don't leave it in one spot, keep it moving. Check your work much more frequently. Don't underestimate the aggressiveness. Don't apply a lot of pressure just because you *can* do it without the PC bogging down.
 
I agree with Acumulator...I've used a yellow 4" Edge pad on my PC with some Menzerna Power Gloss compound last month on a black Acura TSX to get some nasty scratches/scuffs off of the side of it. When it was being backed out of a garage the driver (female) brushed up against the side of the garage opening. I was able to get about 90% of them out. this was on the side, and I didn't apply hardly any pressure, kept the PC moving, and think I was on a 5.5 speed. If those polishes don't work, you may want to try a compound similar the Menzerna Power Gloss. Good luck!!!
 
Gracias...i will try speed 5 and keep things moving with little to no pressure. I will step up polish type and speed according to results. I'm excited as I think this will be my solution for now before I decide to purchase rotary down the road.

Thanks for the responses, very helpful!
 
Let me add a few thoughts regarding this. I just got in from getting after it on my trunk of my '01 Audi A6. I never really noticed the swirls and light scratches on it until today when I was washing it. It was an overcast day earlier this afternoon in St. Louis, but the sun was kinda poking through. I noticed all this crap on the trunk area and rest of car. I have to attempt to do some correction on the hood of a '07 Caddy STS tomorrow morning, and wanted to try a few things out with the 4"ers. I use the Edge 2k system with my PC, and started out with a 6" green pad and Menzerna IP. The swirls/scratches laughed at that combination. It was on speed 6. Next up was Edge orange 4" light cut pad with IP. Same result with PC on speed 6. Alright, I'm all for trying from least aggressive to most, and I'm sure there was a step or 2 in there that I could've tried. Well, sometimes you just gotta go full bore, and my patience was running out. So, on goes the yellow cut 4" pad with Menzerna Power Gloss compound.



Let me say that I got after it. I wasn't screwing around at this point. The nice thing about having a 7 year old car is that sometimes you really don't care. My A6 is kind of a gold/champagne color, so swirls/scratches are kind of hard to see. I have some pretty good lighting in my garage. I did my first 1.5' x 1.5' section on the trunk. I did the usual cross hatch pattern that all the videos show you, and added a few others that I saw on one video on the web where you work it in a litt more by going back and forth while moving along. Also, I was applying pretty good pressure and was covering about 1" / 1 second if that. The pad didn't bog down, but it definitely slowed down. Then, I would make a couple more passes with very light pressure allowing the pad to do more rotation. Then, back to some more a$$-kickin'. I would work a section for probably 3-5 minutes.I did have some success. The sections that were done on the trunk did look noticeably better than the sections that were not. When I do the rest of the care I'll have to take some pics.



In summary, I think it is key to remember that you can't get them all. My personal opinion is that you can get about 75% of the crap off your paint using a PC. Also, like others have stated, you would have to leave that thing in the same spot for a considerable amount of time. Unless you have real soft paint, then you should be fine getting after it with the PC like this. That's my personal opinion. I think Audis are known for having pretty hard paint. I didn't see any negative effects from the Power Gloss and my technique at all. Use this advice as you see fit and remember, it's just my opinion...
 
Accumulator said:
My 4" orange pads seem a lot happier at 5 than they do at 6. Never tried yellow 4" on the PC so you'll have to experiment unless somebody has an answer.



Don't leave it in one spot, keep it moving. Check your work much more frequently. Don't underestimate the aggressiveness. Don't apply a lot of pressure just because you *can* do it without the PC bogging down.



totally agree, those 4" pads are super fast at speed of 5 or even 4.

I have a nasty very nsaty in fact scratch near the front right fender,

with a rotary and 4" CCS finishing pad "red" and some 106FF took care of like

it was not there, I checked it with my 3M sungun, its just perfect.
 
DJ_JonnyV said:
I just got in from getting after it on my trunk of my '01 Audi A6...[description of lots of work follows]...In summary, I think it is key to remember that you can't get them all. My personal opinion is that you can get about 75% of the crap off your paint using a PC.... I think Audis are known for having pretty hard paint. I didn't see any negative effects from the Power Gloss and my technique at all. ...



Welcome to Autopia!



My wife and I have owned, gee, I dunno *how* many Audis of that vintage, and currently have two. Yeah, the clear is very, very hard. The last time I used a PC/4" to do minor correction I was dealing with marring that was so light as to be basically invisible to most people- just a few barely-visible scratches on the trunk lid of my wife's '00 A8. Took me about an hour.



You don't even want to *think* about how long it took the last time I did a full correction on an Audi, and I use a rotary for the hard part.
 
Thanks for the welcome note, Accumulator. I've been lurking for a while and bought a PC a couple of months ago from Phil at Detailer's Domain. I cut my teeth with it on a greenish looking '04 Chrysler Pacifica. I remember trying to do the same spot for hours and getting nowhere because I was afraid to go above speed 4. I talked with Phil and he set me straight. Fired that thing up to 6 ever since and haven't looed back.



Yeah, I got hooked on Audis 2 years ago when I bought my A6. Earlier this year, we replaced my wife's SUV with an extremely nice condition '04 Allroad 2.7T. I really like the wagon and haven't missed the SUV at all!!! However, it does have some water spots on the hood that need some correction. Anyway, good to see another Audi guy on here. Also, I take it you already know about AudiWorld. Take care...
 
DJ_JonnyV said:
In summary, I think it is key to remember that you can't get them all. My personal opinion is that you can get about 75% of the crap off your paint using a PC. Also, like others have stated, you would have to leave that thing in the same spot for a considerable amount of time

Very good point. I'm a perfectionist and have a Dodge Ram '02 and the clear is hard as rocks. I've got some slight micromarring that I can't get rid of for the life of me, and I have to keep reminding myself that some stuff just isn't possible with a PC. About leaving it in the same spot for a long time: You shouldn't do that because there's something like an expansive property of the paint when it gets hot that will drive the scratches deeper. I don't really know how, maybe somebody can explain it for you, I just know that you don't want to leave it in one spot for a long time.
 
Update* I detailed an 05' Accord Coupe and used the 4'yellow with OC on speed 5. Took out a couple of deep scratches very quickly. Finished out nicely. These pads seem to cut the time in about half as opposed to using 6.5' pads. Also seemed to take out defects that previous 6.5 orange cutting pads wouldn't touch. I'm impressed and this is a must have for those using a PC and want to correct.
 
DJ_JonnyV said:
.. I really like the wagon and haven't missed the SUV at all!!! However, it does have some water spots on the hood that need some correction. Anyway, good to see another Audi guy on here. Also, I take it you already know about AudiWorld. Take care...



Heh heh, I avoid forums like Audiworld like the plague lest I spend more time online than I already do here :D But seriously, yeah, it's a great resource all right.



I'll caution you to be realistic about the waterspots on your Allroad's hood. My wife's A8 has some water etching on its roof (grrr...sprinklers in Memphis TN) that I gave up on after a few *very* aggressive passes with the rotary. It's better now, looks like "gee, that oughta come out" at this point, but she didn't want it gone enough for me to thin the clear any more.
 
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