FWD drifting question

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White95Max

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When I drift with a FWD, I pull the Ebrake to get the rear to swing out, but is that bad to do when the car has 4-wheel ABS? I would think that the computer would be confused as to why the rear wheels aren't spinning when the fronts are. Would the computer keep pumping the brakes or something in an attempt to get all 4 wheels spinning again?
 
If you are not on the brakes, the computer won't do anything, because there is no hydraulic pressure being applied to the brake cylinders. If you are on the brakes, the computer would likely release the pressure to the rear brakes in an attempt to get them to "unlock". I don't think this would cause any damage to anything.
 
^^ What Setec said



I think the computer would try pumping the regular breaks, but as the wheels are already locked, this pumping will obviously do nothing. Dont see how it could hurt anything, as it is just pumping the breaks as it ordinarily would, nothing has really changed, still same pressure on pad, same stresses, dont see how it could do anything.
 
i agree with setec astronomy.



try looking at some of the import tuning magazines. there was one (maybe import racer?) that talked about a FF drifter. something about having the right suspension set up and really driving into the corner hard. if not, try check out keiichi's "drift bible." i think he does some drifting with an integra, and he goes over how he does it.
 
if you're worried about it, just pull the fuse out for the ABS while you're having fun, and replace it after. No harm, no foul, I should think.
 
My car doesn't have ABS or traction control, though they were both options. I was just wondering. I drift in my car all the time (on the snow anyway). :D
 
I drove my mom's concorde to school today since the roads were so crappy. She has 4-wheel ABS and that's how I got to wondering about it. I would never drift in that thing anyway, because the Ebrake is on the floor.

The Max is still nice and clean. And smooth I might add ...:xyxthumbs



I have to drive the Max tomorrow though... :( And I have to get up early, unlike today (I didn't have class until 1:00 :) )
 
Fishtailing will not harm the ABS. I've worked the ABS while spinning (yes, true 360s) and the brakes lock up 100%, possibly because none of the wheels are really rolling much.
 
On all the cars I've driven the parking/emergency brake operates independently of the brakes that are controlled by the ABS system. And if you lock the rears, the fronts won't anti-lock anyhow. I've done "handbrake turns" in a *LOT* of ABS cars, including FWD and AWD ones, and it always works fine.



But it is very hard on the tires (flatspots) and the shock of locking the drivetrain is hard on most everything. I'd take it a little easy on a car you care about. But yeah, I've done it in almost every car I've owned and never actually hurt anything except the tires.



A better way to get the rear out is to lift off the gas, flick the wheel first the *wrong* way, then back the right way (the way you want to turn) while you get back on the gas. This unloads the soon-to-be-loaded rear tires (specifically the outside tire) using weight transfer before you get into the turn. Much faster than using the handbrake and taught in tight-corner security driving (as well as rallying). There's a name for this.. the "what's-his-name flick." Can't remember the guy's name at present. But this is pretty hard on the car.
 
I only do it in the snow anyway. I wouldn't think this would really hurt anything on the car, since there is very little friction between the tires and the snow. I don't see where any real stress would surface.
 
At low speeds on snow, I cannot imagine much harm being done. 45 mph (my case), on the other hand, definitely puts strain on the car.
 
Accumulator said:






A better way to get the rear out is to lift off the gas, flick the wheel first the *wrong* way, then back the right way (the way you want to turn) while you get back on the gas. This unloads the soon-to-be-loaded rear tires (specifically the outside tire) using weight transfer before you get into the turn. Much faster than using the handbrake and taught in tight-corner security driving (as well as rallying). There's a name for this.. the "what's-his-name flick." Can't remember the guy's name at present. But this is pretty hard on the car.
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This is countersteering isn't it?
 
Countersteering is used to maintain or regain control of a vehicle. Simple example: you swerve and you need to countersteer to straighten the vehicle out. Frequently you have to countersteer the countersteer.
 
Yeah, countersteering is "steering done to correct something undesirable." This "flick thing" is done to deliberately unsettle the vehicle. The part where you bring the wheel back and get back on the gas is sorta a countersteering move but not in the sense the driving schools use the term. More like just getting back to what you were doing than really correcting oversteer- less steering input as you're just getting the car to rotate faster not catching the car as it's trying to rotate too far. But it *is* the same general principle. I don't mean to split hairs about the semantics or anything but it probably sounds that way :o



White95Max- Nah, I don't think you'll really hurt anything doing this on snow. It's not exactly *good* for the car or anything but I do such stuff all the time and it's never caused any problems. But I am sometimes surprised at how the tires will dig through the snow to bare pavement though.
 
Accumulator said:
But I am sometimes surprised at how the tires will dig through the snow to bare pavement though.
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But you have snow tires on for winter don't you? I have high performance all-seasons, which really suck in snow. They just practically float on top of the snow, so they never dig through the snow to the pavement.
 
White95Max said:
I drove my mom's concorde to school today since the roads were so crappy. ....



The Max is still nice and clean. And smooth I might add ...:xyxthumbs
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Oh shut up, White95. I had to drive my nice, clean "baby" to work this morning, through 34 miles of traffic. Kept him clean, too, until I got downtown. UGH, why can't the city clean its streets as well as the burbs?????????????????????????????????:angry



Charles
 
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