Does ultrafine have fillers?

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I have been detailing for 2 years now. Recently I purchased a product called 3M Ultrafine.The problem I had is that when I polish my VW Golf It looks great for a few weeks then everything wheres off? I'm not sure what fully causes this. Can anyone help me with advice? Also has anyone ever tried Zaino products? Is Zaino worth purchasing?



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Zaino is always an interesting discussion. So is UF. I can't help but wonder if this is someone trolling the board.
 
Does an ex Marine Corp drill instructor make a lousy therapist? Does Elmer Fudd have trouble with the letter "R"? ya get the idea
 
1st post - great questions! Baiting the waters?

A similar thread was recently locked due to overzealous children who refuse to push away from the keyboard when somebody does not have the exact viewpoint as themselves just in case you do not receive any feedback.
 
All polishes contain either oils or waxes that can fill under certain conditions with the exception being Zaino ZPC. Zaino is good stuff but can be a bit tricky to work with at times.
 
When used as directed (to remove light rotary holograms) and used with the proper technique, Ultrafina will permanently remove the light holograms.
 
Scottwax said:
When used as directed (to remove light rotary holograms) and used with the proper technique, Ultrafina will permanently remove the light holograms.
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But does it have fillers, Scott?
 
Scottwax said:
All products have at least some filling capacity but if the swirls are removed, they aren't technically being filled.
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Don't forget Scott that according to some the fillers in UF are so durable they can hold up to multiple coats of paint thinner :LOLOL If you disagree with that you are a troll.



You could try this out on a scrap panel as you have suggested doing with other things, like rotary work for example, but than that idea was criticized by the monkey squad to.



Interesting that the thread was started after the last one was locked and the thread starter has one post and he just happens to have a problem with swirls coming back after using UF. I wonder if one of the me to boys from the other thread started this? They probably miss ganging up on people and wanted to start something here like the keyboard tough guys they are.
 
Anthony A, rather than just rehashing all the unpleasantness from the other thread (which I'm not saying was all from your side, BTW), there were some salient points inserted between all the "mine's bigger than yours" nonsense. These were posted by TH0001 and someone linked DaveKG--that there are lubricants and oils in these polishes, which need to stay between the pad and the paint of a rotary spinning at 1500 RPM...and depending on conditions these may or may not be left on the paint, be difficult to remove, and/or mask defects.



As Scott suggested above, if you actually remove the defects with the polish, then there is nothing left to be filled. I think Todd and Dave were suggesting that these lubricants/oils fill as a side-effect, not by intent, although clearly other posters referred to these as "fillers" as in, intentional fillers. I believe the reality is somewhere in the middle, the manufacturers need the lubricants to lubricate, and if as a side effect they also fill what's left, most polish mfrs. would consider that a plus, rather than a negative.
 
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Anthony A, rather than just rehashing all the unpleasantness from the other thread (which I'm not saying was all from your side, BTW), there were some salient points inserted between all the "mine's bigger than yours" nonsense. These were posted by TH0001 and someone linked DaveKG--that there are lubricants and oils in these polishes, which need to stay between the pad and the paint of a rotary spinning at 1500 RPM...and depending on conditions these may or may not be left on the paint, be difficult to remove, and/or mask defects.



As Scott suggested above, if you actually remove the defects with the polish, then there is nothing left to be filled. I think Todd and Dave were suggesting that these lubricants/oils fill as a side-effect, not by intent, although clearly other posters referred to these as "fillers" as in, intentional fillers. I believe the reality is somewhere in the middle, the manufacturers need the lubricants to lubricate, and if as a side effect they also fill what's left, most polish mfrs. would consider that a plus, rather than a negative.
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I agree with you 100% about the lubricants and oils being left on the paint and maybe masking the defects. You could say that about any polish and argue that all polishes have the ability to fill. That's different than calling a polish an "Ultra Filler". When some one calls a polish an "Ultra Filler" it implies that the polish is filled with fillers and that it's made specifically to fill. That's a different thing than having some oils left over that might cover or mask some minor defects. UF was referred to as an "Ultra Filler" several times and called a waste of money. Those were the points I was arguing against. Also difficult to remove is one thing but not being able to remove with paint thinner is another.



That thread you are referring to was an excellent example of mob swarming. Doesn't matter how absurd a point was it was agreed with simply because they didn't like the person on the other side. Good suggestions like experimenting or practicing on scrap panels was mocked even though many very good detailers do use scrap panels to practice or experiment on. That thread was a joke and an excellent example of the monkey mentality that exist on here now.
 
Yeah, and dredging it up again is only going to hijack this thread also and bring the mob back, so why don't you give it a rest? The mentality you refer to has always been here, it just takes different forms over time. Schoolyard, remember? I don't see how bringing it all up again is going to fix it or make it go away.
 
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