DA 1-Step vs Rotary 1-Step

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It seems that with the advent of M105 a few have found that a greater level of defects can be removed with a 1-step via a DA verses a 1-step with rotary. I don't know if this applies to just the Flex with it's forced rotation, or to other DAs as well? The holy grail for professionals has always been the desire to have a polish/combo that can take a fairly hammered car, and restore it to 80-90% with a single polishing step. Perfection is not required (because it's not being paid for), so even if M105 and a DA left a slight bit of micromarring, I suppose I'm okay with that if a signficantly greater percentage of swirls/scratches were removed. But I'm curious to see what others have found...



Obviously, nothing will match a rotary with twisted wool for ultra-heavy defect removal, but I'm curious about 1-step processes...



I've always felt that if a rotary only finished down 90% of the way, the paint is still clear enough, but the fact that halograms remain is unnaccpetable. For instance, lately I've used the M205 (via rotary), and though I felt the paint had great clarity, halograms on darker colors were sometimes noticable in the sun. Alternatively, I'm sure DA could appear to finish down perfectly using this product, as the random action wont leave a noticeable pattern.
 
I should also mention that I don't have a Flex. I used one a couple times (I believe before M105 was out), and ultimately decided not to buy one. One of the cars had a repainted panel (black) with horribly sensitave paint. No matter what polish or pad I used, the Flex was leaving a mess of 1/2" random micromarring gash lines all over the place...it just wouldn't finish down, so I grabbed the rotary and fixed it lickidy split. I never gave the flex another chance.
 
RAG, I think you're in the same boat as all of us.. kinda waiting in the wings for all of these new products to come out, and hear everyone's results/opinions on how they work.



My new formula 105 just got here today. My 205 should get here tomorrow.



Tomorrow morning, Greg Nichols and I are starting a trio of cars, and depending on how much time we have, we're going to try out a few different things with 104 and 205. It should be a very educational weekend.
 
SuperBee364 said:
RAG, I think you're in the same boat as all of us.. kinda waiting in the wings for all of these new products to come out, and hear everyone's results/opinions on how they work.



My new formula 105 just got here today. My 205 should get here tomorrow.



Tomorrow morning, Greg Nichols and I are starting a trio of cars, and depending on how much time we have, we're going to try out a few different things with 104 and 205. It should be a very educational weekend.
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Super Bee, no e-mail address available?

Mine is: [email protected]
 
There are a lot of variables......As a weekend warrior I use a PC and Megs #80 for one steps. I have a rotary, but I'm not great at finishing hologram free with it. 80 has enough bite to remove quite a few defects but usually still finishes down very well with a white LC pad.
 
RAG, try M105 with a flat orange pad on the flex--for 90% of the look of the full detail it is perfect. For the type of detail that you describe M105/NXT2.0 would look like you spent double the time on it. Obviously the "look" of the 2.0 will fade, but it still gives decent durability on *most* paints.
 
RAG- On my M3's hard clear, both the Flex 3401/orange and the PC/4" yellow (sorta worn yellow pad though..) worked the way you described. Took out the defects and left a not-bad finish that some people would be quite happy with.



Considering the way I had to hammer the paint with the rotary when using other products, it was pretty amazing.
 
RAG said:
It seems that with the advent of M105 a few have found that a greater level of defects can be removed with a 1-step via a DA verses a 1-step with rotary. I don't know if this applies to just the Flex with it's forced rotation, or to other DAs as well? The holy grail for professionals has always been the desire to have a polish/combo that can take a fairly hammered car, and restore it to 80-90% with a single polishing step. Perfection is not required (because it's not being paid for), so even if M105 and a DA left a slight bit of micromarring, I suppose I'm okay with that if a signficantly greater percentage of swirls/scratches were removed. But I'm curious to see what others have found...



Obviously, nothing will match a rotary with twisted wool for ultra-heavy defect removal, but I'm curious about 1-step processes...



I've always felt that if a rotary only finished down 90% of the way, the paint is still clear enough, but the fact that halograms remain is unnaccpetable. For instance, lately I've used the M205 (via rotary), and though I felt the paint had great clarity, halograms on darker colors were sometimes noticable in the sun. Alternatively, I'm sure DA could appear to finish down perfectly using this product, as the random action wont leave a noticeable pattern.
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I've finished a few cars down now with M205 via FLEX and a polishing pad. I don't get %100 defect removal, but it's more than sufficient for a client only willing to pay for a 1-step. Using the Flex it vurtually eliminates the chances of holograms too.
 
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