Cure time for glaze?
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Here are abbreviations for three of the products I use:
303 -- 303 Aerospace Protectant (vinyl protectant with many other uses);
AIO -- Klasse All-In-One (acrylic polish/wax that many on the forums swear by);
FI -- Meguiars Final Inspection (quick detailer).
Another one you may come across is SG. SG is Klasse Sealant Glaze. It is often applied on top of Klasse AIO to increase shine and protection.
Hope this helps,
-ema
303 -- 303 Aerospace Protectant (vinyl protectant with many other uses);
AIO -- Klasse All-In-One (acrylic polish/wax that many on the forums swear by);
FI -- Meguiars Final Inspection (quick detailer).
Another one you may come across is SG. SG is Klasse Sealant Glaze. It is often applied on top of Klasse AIO to increase shine and protection.
Hope this helps,
-ema
Ng Luder, haha, funny thing, i'm coming out with an abbreviations page on my site.
PPCL - Pinnacle Paint Cleansing Lotion (right?)
PBS - Pinnacle Bodywork Shampoo (best car wash ever
)
PC - Porter Cable (power tool brand)
FI - Final Inspection (Meguiars, Quick Detailer QD)
That's the ones I have off hand. If anyone else wants to list every abbreviation we have ever. I'll be happy to put them all together in alphabetical order and post them on my site for reference.
PPCL - Pinnacle Paint Cleansing Lotion (right?)
PBS - Pinnacle Bodywork Shampoo (best car wash ever
)PC - Porter Cable (power tool brand)
FI - Final Inspection (Meguiars, Quick Detailer QD)
That's the ones I have off hand. If anyone else wants to list every abbreviation we have ever. I'll be happy to put them all together in alphabetical order and post them on my site for reference.
JasonC8301
New member
PPCL is Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion. Its a cleaner/light polish. Available at this sites sponser, Classic Motoring Accesories (CMA) www.properautocare.com
PBS is Pinnacle Bodywork Shampoo. Also available at CMA.
EF Hi - is Eimann Fabrik Hi-Intesity Multi-purpose cleaner. Also available at CMA.
ETR II - is www.autoint.com for restoring faded trim and molding.
303 - is 303 Aerospace protectant for rubber, plastic, vinyl, and clear coated leather. 303 is actually a whole product line. also available from CMA.
AIO - is Klasse AIO. It is a cleaner, polish, and acrylic sealant. It will last for 6 months on average. Also available from CMA.
PC - the Porter Cable 7424 dual action polisher. A forum favorite. Very easy to use. I love mine.
FI - Either 3M Finesse It II Finishing Material (PN 39003) which is a mild abrasive. Or Meguiars Final Inspection a quick detailer.
Jason
PBS is Pinnacle Bodywork Shampoo. Also available at CMA.
EF Hi - is Eimann Fabrik Hi-Intesity Multi-purpose cleaner. Also available at CMA.
ETR II - is www.autoint.com for restoring faded trim and molding.
303 - is 303 Aerospace protectant for rubber, plastic, vinyl, and clear coated leather. 303 is actually a whole product line. also available from CMA.
AIO - is Klasse AIO. It is a cleaner, polish, and acrylic sealant. It will last for 6 months on average. Also available from CMA.
PC - the Porter Cable 7424 dual action polisher. A forum favorite. Very easy to use. I love mine.
FI - Either 3M Finesse It II Finishing Material (PN 39003) which is a mild abrasive. Or Meguiars Final Inspection a quick detailer.
Jason
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<strong class='bbc'>Here are abbreviations for three of the products I use:
303 -- 303 Aerospace Protectant (vinyl protectant with many other uses);
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i hear alot about the 303. ive searched on this and read about it but i was still a little loss. is this product a multi purpose product that cleans and protects? this is because i hear people use this to bring back shine in rubbers and interior trims. this makes perfect sense especially since its called aerospace PROTECTANT. but i also hear about how it is used to clean tires and rims and other things. is there another product in the 303 line i am unaware of or is this all from the same thing: 303 Aerospace Protectant ?
<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by ema [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Here are abbreviations for three of the products I use:
303 -- 303 Aerospace Protectant (vinyl protectant with many other uses);
[/b]</blockquote>
i hear alot about the 303. ive searched on this and read about it but i was still a little loss. is this product a multi purpose product that cleans and protects? this is because i hear people use this to bring back shine in rubbers and interior trims. this makes perfect sense especially since its called aerospace PROTECTANT. but i also hear about how it is used to clean tires and rims and other things. is there another product in the 303 line i am unaware of or is this all from the same thing: 303 Aerospace Protectant ?
imported_ONEFASTCL600
New member
I use 303 a ton...on my interior, on my exterior trim, on my tires, on my engine (hoses, etc)......
...never heard of, nor could imagine, 303 being used as a cleaner.
As far as I know, the makers of 303 do not offer a cleaning product.....
...never heard of, nor could imagine, 303 being used as a cleaner.
As far as I know, the makers of 303 do not offer a cleaning product.....
imported_RootsRadical
New member
Can anyone tell me if there's a certain cure time to be observed before applying a sealant after applying a glaze? (In my case, Menzerna glaze and Blackfire sealant...)
On the occassions when I have used the glaze, I've been applying the sealant about 10 minutes after wiping off the glaze and just got to thinking that maybe that's a mistake...
Thanks,
-J
On the occassions when I have used the glaze, I've been applying the sealant about 10 minutes after wiping off the glaze and just got to thinking that maybe that's a mistake...
Thanks,
-J
bmw5541
New member
From everything that I have read, there doesn't seem to be a cure time with glazes. I have used Poorboys White Diamond Show Glaze, and the good people at Poorboys told me there was no cure time. You can go right your LSP.
I hope this helps.
I hope this helps.
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
It depends on the type of glaze. Many glazes (or products marketed as such) are really sealants, in the most traditional sense of the world. If they feature acrylics and active polymers, then they have nothing in common with the traditonal oil based glazes.
An oil based glaze is not going to have any cure time. Your best bet is contact the mfg though, only because the world glaze has become like the word wax or polish. It means different things to different people.
An oil based glaze is not going to have any cure time. Your best bet is contact the mfg though, only because the world glaze has become like the word wax or polish. It means different things to different people.
imported_RootsRadical
New member
Thanks for the input, guys.
T
TOGWT
Guest
A polymer will not cross-link with a surface that has oil (a traditional Glaze is oil-based and does not cure (cross-link)) You cannot apply a polymer on top of an oil-based Glaze
Newer Glaze products are polymer-based, so a (polymer) sealant will cross-link with it
Newer Glaze products are polymer-based, so a (polymer) sealant will cross-link with it
imported_RootsRadical
New member
The glaze that I have used (Menzerna PO 115C Finishing Touch Glaze) is water-based...although it does contain mineral oils. However, I've never had any apparent problems with Blackfire sealant sitting on top of the glaze. My question arose out of the thought that perhaps I would get even better results letting the glaze cure for a certain amount of time before applying the sealant.
imported_zoraduntov
New member
Im going to apply some menzerna glaze too . Is it better to put a carnauba on top of that glaze or is a sealant fine ?
ZL1Mark
Allergic to One Product
Is chemical guys EZ Creme glaze more of a sealant?
imported_zoraduntov
New member
Can someone please answer these questions ?????
T
TOGWT
Guest
Bonds
This should cover most bonds (other than James)
[: Chemical bond, the physical phenomenon of chemical substances being held together by attraction of atoms]
A chemical bond is the physical process responsible for the attractive interactions between atoms and molecules, and that which confers stability to diatomic and polyatomic chemical compounds. The explanation of the attractive forces is a complex area that is described by the laws of quantum electrodynamics.
Chemical Engineers usually rely on quantum theory or qualitative descriptions that are less rigorous but more easily explained to describe chemical bonding (i.e. describing a Covalent bond as molecules bonding together as a ?molecular? bond) In general, strong chemical bonding is associated with the sharing or transfer of electrons between the participating atoms. Molecules, crystals, and diatomic gases; indeed most of the physical environment around us?are held together by chemical bonds, which dictate the structure of matter.
A polymer will form a strong bond with another clean polymer (urethane paint) surface; it will not bond well with metal. Bonds vary widely in their strength; generally Covalent and ionic bonds are often described as strong, whereas hydrogen bonds and van der Waals' type bonds are generally considered to be weak.
The majority (70%) of a polymer matrix cross-linking cycle occurs within 30 ? 45 minutes of its initial wipe-on application drying; however it is recommended that a period of 12 - 24 hours is allowed for the cross-linking process to complete, otherwise polymerization and durability may be compromised
Although it should be noted that surface oils or silicone and / or moisture introduced before the cross-linking process is complete will interfere with the bonding of a polymer and will negatively affect its durability (See also Polymer Catalyzing Additives)
Covalent - bonding is a form of chemical bonding that is characterized by the sharing of pairs of electrons between atoms, or sometimes between atoms and other covalent bonds. Bonding within most organic compounds are described as covalent bonds
Cross-linking - cross-links are covalent bonds linking one polymer molecular chain to another. Cross linking tends to increase strength and toughness, cross-linking consists of the formation of chemical bonds between chains. Cross-linking has the effect of changing a plastic from thermoplastic to thermosetting. Thus, it also increases strength, heat and electrical resistance, and especially resistance to detergents, solvents and other chemicals. They are a characteristic property of thermosetting polymer materials. A unique aspect of polyurethane chemistry is that the hydrogen bonding acts as an additional crosslink
Curing - is a term in polymer chemistry that refers to the toughening or hardening of a polymer material by cross-linking of polymer chains, brought about by chemical additives
Cationic- these types of compounds can range in reactivity, but most are fairly reactive. A catatonic bond means that a bond is formed but the material does not change (i.e. a polymer forms a molecular bond by cross-linking and in the process changes from a thermoplastic to a thermosetting polymer.
Inter Covalent Bonding - there are four basic types of bonds that can be formed between two or more (otherwise non-associated) molecules, ions or atoms. Inter covalent forces cause molecules to be attracted or repulsed by each other. Often, these define some of the physical characteristics (such as the melting point) of a substance.
Ionic bond (or electrovalent bond) - is a type of chemical bond based on electrostatic forces between two oppositely-charged ions. In ionic bond formation, a metal donates an electron, due to low electro negativity to for m a positive ion or cation. In ordinary table salt (NaCl), the bonds between the sodium and chloride ions are ionic bonds.
Molecular ? bonding is the forming of a covalent bond, I use the word ?molecular? to describe the linking of molecules to form a bond; hence molecular bond. Polymers form a molecular bond with the paint substrate and then shrink to form a strong physical bond
Surface Tension - instantaneous dipoles to induced dipole, or van der Waals forces, are the weakest, but also the most prolific, occurring between all chemical substances
Van der Waals - the van der Waals equation is an equation of state that can be derived from a special form of the potential between a pair of molecules (intermolecular) In physical chemistry, the van der Waals force (or van der Waals interaction), named after Dutch scientist Johannes Diderik van der Waals, is the attractive or repulsive force between molecules (or between parts of the same molecule) other than those due to covalent bonds or to the electrostatic interaction of ions with one another or with neutral molecules.[1]
[: Van der Waals forces include attractions between atoms, molecules, and surfaces. They differ from covalent and ionic bonding in that they are caused by correlations in the fluctuating polarizations of nearby particles (a consequence of quantum dynamics] [1]
Exceptions to Organic and Non-Organic Bonding
This is an example of how formulators can manipulate polymers, here are two products, and there may be others-
Danase Wet Glaze - a pure gloss enhancer (i.e. non-abrasive and with a low solvent content); it?s formulated with acrylic polymers, these polymers allow it to adhere to a wax without any issues or form a molecular bond with a polymer sealant
Zaino Clear Seal (Z-CS) - is a polymer product that will bond to a wax or oil-based product, ZCS is just a clear glossy layer without much of a look of its own (but locks in the look underneath it)
As technology continues to evolve and change the market of premium detailing products, the gap between Organic and Non-Organic car care product qualities and aesthetics lessens
An extract from one of a series of unbiased Detailing Technical Papers, a library of educational materials that has become the #1 reference for car care on the Internet
I more than appreciate these articles are very technical in content and therefore will not appeal to every detailers level of knowledge or experience. But chances are you'll learn something about detailing if you read any of these.
This should cover most bonds (other than James)
[: Chemical bond, the physical phenomenon of chemical substances being held together by attraction of atoms]
A chemical bond is the physical process responsible for the attractive interactions between atoms and molecules, and that which confers stability to diatomic and polyatomic chemical compounds. The explanation of the attractive forces is a complex area that is described by the laws of quantum electrodynamics.
Chemical Engineers usually rely on quantum theory or qualitative descriptions that are less rigorous but more easily explained to describe chemical bonding (i.e. describing a Covalent bond as molecules bonding together as a ?molecular? bond) In general, strong chemical bonding is associated with the sharing or transfer of electrons between the participating atoms. Molecules, crystals, and diatomic gases; indeed most of the physical environment around us?are held together by chemical bonds, which dictate the structure of matter.
A polymer will form a strong bond with another clean polymer (urethane paint) surface; it will not bond well with metal. Bonds vary widely in their strength; generally Covalent and ionic bonds are often described as strong, whereas hydrogen bonds and van der Waals' type bonds are generally considered to be weak.
The majority (70%) of a polymer matrix cross-linking cycle occurs within 30 ? 45 minutes of its initial wipe-on application drying; however it is recommended that a period of 12 - 24 hours is allowed for the cross-linking process to complete, otherwise polymerization and durability may be compromised
Although it should be noted that surface oils or silicone and / or moisture introduced before the cross-linking process is complete will interfere with the bonding of a polymer and will negatively affect its durability (See also Polymer Catalyzing Additives)
Covalent - bonding is a form of chemical bonding that is characterized by the sharing of pairs of electrons between atoms, or sometimes between atoms and other covalent bonds. Bonding within most organic compounds are described as covalent bonds
Cross-linking - cross-links are covalent bonds linking one polymer molecular chain to another. Cross linking tends to increase strength and toughness, cross-linking consists of the formation of chemical bonds between chains. Cross-linking has the effect of changing a plastic from thermoplastic to thermosetting. Thus, it also increases strength, heat and electrical resistance, and especially resistance to detergents, solvents and other chemicals. They are a characteristic property of thermosetting polymer materials. A unique aspect of polyurethane chemistry is that the hydrogen bonding acts as an additional crosslink
Curing - is a term in polymer chemistry that refers to the toughening or hardening of a polymer material by cross-linking of polymer chains, brought about by chemical additives
Cationic- these types of compounds can range in reactivity, but most are fairly reactive. A catatonic bond means that a bond is formed but the material does not change (i.e. a polymer forms a molecular bond by cross-linking and in the process changes from a thermoplastic to a thermosetting polymer.
Inter Covalent Bonding - there are four basic types of bonds that can be formed between two or more (otherwise non-associated) molecules, ions or atoms. Inter covalent forces cause molecules to be attracted or repulsed by each other. Often, these define some of the physical characteristics (such as the melting point) of a substance.
Ionic bond (or electrovalent bond) - is a type of chemical bond based on electrostatic forces between two oppositely-charged ions. In ionic bond formation, a metal donates an electron, due to low electro negativity to for m a positive ion or cation. In ordinary table salt (NaCl), the bonds between the sodium and chloride ions are ionic bonds.
Molecular ? bonding is the forming of a covalent bond, I use the word ?molecular? to describe the linking of molecules to form a bond; hence molecular bond. Polymers form a molecular bond with the paint substrate and then shrink to form a strong physical bond
Surface Tension - instantaneous dipoles to induced dipole, or van der Waals forces, are the weakest, but also the most prolific, occurring between all chemical substances
Van der Waals - the van der Waals equation is an equation of state that can be derived from a special form of the potential between a pair of molecules (intermolecular) In physical chemistry, the van der Waals force (or van der Waals interaction), named after Dutch scientist Johannes Diderik van der Waals, is the attractive or repulsive force between molecules (or between parts of the same molecule) other than those due to covalent bonds or to the electrostatic interaction of ions with one another or with neutral molecules.[1]
[: Van der Waals forces include attractions between atoms, molecules, and surfaces. They differ from covalent and ionic bonding in that they are caused by correlations in the fluctuating polarizations of nearby particles (a consequence of quantum dynamics] [1]
Exceptions to Organic and Non-Organic Bonding
This is an example of how formulators can manipulate polymers, here are two products, and there may be others-
Danase Wet Glaze - a pure gloss enhancer (i.e. non-abrasive and with a low solvent content); it?s formulated with acrylic polymers, these polymers allow it to adhere to a wax without any issues or form a molecular bond with a polymer sealant
Zaino Clear Seal (Z-CS) - is a polymer product that will bond to a wax or oil-based product, ZCS is just a clear glossy layer without much of a look of its own (but locks in the look underneath it)
As technology continues to evolve and change the market of premium detailing products, the gap between Organic and Non-Organic car care product qualities and aesthetics lessens
An extract from one of a series of unbiased Detailing Technical Papers, a library of educational materials that has become the #1 reference for car care on the Internet
I more than appreciate these articles are very technical in content and therefore will not appeal to every detailers level of knowledge or experience. But chances are you'll learn something about detailing if you read any of these.
? TOGWT ? Ltd Copyright 2002-2010, all rights reserved
ZL1Mark
Allergic to One Product
Come to find out, chemical guys EZ Creme Glaze is perfectly fine to use before a wax or sealant and will not cause bonding issues. :biggrin: