cleansing lotion

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CalgaryDetail

Mike
So i found an old bottle of Victoria wax lite cleanse in my garage while i was tidying up (doing inventory before the move). I decided I would give it a shot to see how well it worked. I fell in love the first time I used it. The look it gave the car was so deep and pretty. I really, really liked the look. So it got me thinking, what are other cleansing lotion like. I am starting to offer them in my plat. package for clients since i liked the look so much.

My first question will probley be awnserd best by david himself but I thought I would post since im sure someone else knows or is wondering.so..

What is the difference between lite and deep cleanse? Is there a diffrence in filling effect, look, use, im sure there is a diffrence in cleaning abillity?

And seconed is what cleansig lotions have people tried and liked, I am looking at getting larger sizes if posible, but if not well hey ill have have to absorb the cost since i am really conviced the lotion is worth it. So what would you recomned?
The ones i am looking atare


pinacle Cleasing lotion- 128oz- $79.99usd (on-sale now for 69.99)
P21S paintwork cleansing lotion- 11.8oz- $13.99usd
Victoria wax lite cleanse- 32oz- $38.50 CDN
Victoria wax deep cleanse- 32oz- $38.50CND
Zymol HD- Cleanse- (from canadian supplier)- 16oz- $52.00 CDN
Swissol medium paint cleanse- aprox. 8oz- $39.99USD
Swissol pre-wax cleaning fluid- aprox 8oz- $30.00USD

I dont think i have forgoten any but if I have please let me know nad I will add them to the list.
And if anyone has any infomation on any paint work cleanins lotion, such as ease of application, texurte, but most importantly final look please let me know.

Thank you for any info

-Michael

p.s- Right now the front runner is lite cleanse by VW, i will tough it out and go to a local shop and see if he has 32 oz size bottles. I always love going since the guys is nice but hes kind of a tool, (sorry david) and not very knowledgeable on his own products. (inside info,.. i have a few freinds who work there.. no competion issues dont worry).
 
I will be perfectly honest,and say stick with the Victoria lite cleanse.

This product has impresed me to,very much.After using Zymol HD cleanse,and the Swissol cleaner fluids,for many years,i wont go back to using them.

The Victoria Deep cleanse,contains a stronger solvent than the lite cleanse,but i think David is much better qualified to describe the differences fully.
 
slippy said:
I will be perfectly honest,and say stick with the Victoria lite cleanse.

This product has impresed me to,very much.After using Zymol HD cleanse,and the Swissol cleaner fluids,for many years,i wont go back to using them.

The Victoria Deep cleanse,contains a stronger solvent than the lite cleanse,but i think David is much better qualified to describe the differences fully.
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Thank you slippy, i dont love VW products. I am howver always looking for somthing better so ther eis no harm in asking..

I was wondering do you still use a cleasning lotion or is that an object of the past?
 
I will use the lite cleanse,every sixth month or so,as part of my wax routine.

I really think it is an essential part of my carnauba wax routine,and i feel the best results are achieved by using it,prior to the wax application.

Also,it is very usefull on an older car that can not take much polishing;being so mild,it prepares the surface for new wax,without risk of abrasion
 
Some time back, I went through a period where I tried to use products from within the same line for each process.
One of those products was S100 SEC (Shine Enhancing Cleanser) which would be pretty comparable to the P21S PCL you list.
It worked good with the S100 Carnauba, but I don't remember it being anything special.

Charles
 
CharlesW said:
Some time back, I went through a period where I tried to use products from within the same line for each process.
One of those products was S100 SEC (Shine Enhancing Cleanser) which would be pretty comparable to the P21S PCL you list.
It worked good with the S100 Carnauba, but I don't remember it being anything special.

Charles
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with the SEC did you find that it gave the paint a better shine, a deeper look? any real effects on the appearence of the paint?
 
CalgaryDetail said:
with the SEC did you find that it gave the paint a better shine, a deeper look? any real effects on the appearence of the paint?
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As has been said many time, "It's in the eye of the beholder", but the SEC/S100 Carnauba didn't really look any different to me than Klasse AIO topped with the S100 Carnauba.
In fact, none of the paint cleansers I tried looked any better than when I used Klasse AIO as my cleaner/prep. Becuase of that, I went back to using the Klasse AIO prior to any LSP I used.
FWIW, I did feel that Poorboy's PwC did a better job of cleaning than the Klass AIO and for a lot less money. I didn't use it under a sealant because I wasn't sure if the carnauba content of the PwC would cause any bonding problems.
The new PwS from Poorboy should eliminate that concern. When I run out of Klasse AIO, I'm pretty sure I will be trying the PwS as a polish/prep for my LSP's. It should work under either a wax or a sealant with no problems

Charles
 
I've used P21S paintwork cleansing lotion before. It applied very nicely and removed the same. I don't think that it did all that much to the paint other than cleaning it up a bit. IMO using a cleansing lotion, for the most part, is a total waste of not only time but money.

I think that there are other products that serve the same purpose that you didn't list. For example, Klasse AIO, Poorboys PwC, PwS, and other paint cleaners. From time to time I use AIO or PwC (and now PwS) to achieve maximum results (to clean the paint) but it really isn't necessary... as long as the polishes you use don't contain anything that'll mess with your LSP, a paint cleaner before LSP isn't entirely necessary.
 
Calgary, you seem to have omitted Meg's Step 1 of their DC system. Didn't you just recently mention that it was your favorite paint cleaner?
 
Mr. Clean said:
Calgary, you seem to have omitted Meg's Step 1 of their DC system. Didn't you just recently mention that it was your favorite paint cleaner?
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I do like it for getting off some of the tar and over spray and stuff that clay wont get off. I just dont think they are similar products to what I have mentioned. I find that vw and some of the others are more of a pre wax step that help with the over all apperacne where as the megs stuff is more of a heavy duty cleaner that I would not to put on whole car on a regular basis.
 
It is a paint cleaner and it seems that your list includes those with some form of paint cleaner/cleanser/cleanse in the name. I don't know about its ability to remove contamination that a clay won't, since I rarely use it until after the clay process and don't consider it a subsitute for clay. It also handles oxidation pretty well. Anyway, my point isn't to sway your opinion one way or the other, just to mention the apparent omission.
 
Mr. Clean said:
It is a paint cleaner and it seems that your list includes those with some form of paint cleaner/cleanser/cleanse in the name. I don't know about its ability to remove contamination that a clay won't, since I rarely use it until after the clay process and don't consider it a subsitute for clay. It also handles oxidation pretty well. Anyway, my point isn't to sway your opinion one way or the other, just to mention the apparent omission.
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fair enough, it is by no means a substite for clay however if you look at the kit it looks as though it is a 3 step thing, so it was desgined to be used in place of clay.
although they have cleanser,ect in the name they are diffrent.
I know that vw has some carnuba in the lite cleanse, also it gives a deaper finsih to the paint which i know the megs stuff dosent. I know it has the same words in the name but i think its a diffrent product.

Kinda like some people sealents, sealents or synthetic wax...or the whole polsih wax thing with brands like duragloss... i guees its just samantics
 
The Meguiars DC1 ,contains chemical cleaners,and very mild diminishing abrasives.The VW lite cleanse,is milder,and as calgary said,leaves the finish looking much deeper.
 
CalgaryDetail said:
however if you look at the kit it looks as though it is a 3 step thing, so it was desgined to be used in place of clay.
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I disagree with that statement, and seriously doubt the folks at Meguiar's intended that 1st step polish to be a "substitute" for clay. The two perform a function in completely different ways, and I doubt Meg's would reccomend trying to substitute either for the other. It's just Step 1 in a 2 part polish (3rd step is a wax...) system - nothing really any different than using SSR2.5 followed by SSR 1 (with the exception of the SSR's being more a swirl remover than the Meg's). Both are just following a "heavier" polish by a more light polish.
 
Just to clarify the DC1 stuff... I went directly to the source and got this info:
"This non-abrasive paint cleaner has been improved to deliver even stronger performance with no chemical odor. It safely removes road grime, surface contamination, light oxidation, swirls and light scratches to restore damaged and dull finishes. Prepares all paint finishes for polishing and waxing. For most effective cleaning, use with our Even-Coat Applicator and remove excess product with a Supreme Shine Microfiber or Ultra Plush Super Terry."

Not sure how well a non-abrasive polish removes swirls and light scratches but I also don't see a substitute for clay. Actually, I don't think there could ever be a substitute for clay.

To add to the list of paint cleaners:
Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer
Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion
Four Star Ultimate PreWax Cleanser
Liquid Glass Pre-Cleaner
Sonus Paintwork Cleanser
TOL Akrya Klean Paint Cleaner
 
I got my information direct from Mike Pennington(Meguiars director of training),the DC1,was reformulated a few years ago,and includes a very mild,diminishing abrasive.

It is probably described as being 'non-abrasive' because the product is marketed towards the 'novice' detailer,so references to 'abrasives' might be taken out of context,and therefore swaying the consumer,not to purchase.
 
CalgaryDetail said:
fair enough, it is by no means a substite for clay however if you look at the kit it looks as though it is a 3 step thing, so it was desgined to be used in place of clay.
although they have cleanser,ect in the name they are diffrent.
I know that vw has some carnuba in the lite cleanse, also it gives a deaper finsih to the paint which i know the megs stuff dosent. I know it has the same words in the name but i think its a diffrent product.

Kinda like some people sealents, sealents or synthetic wax...or the whole polsih wax thing with brands like duragloss... i guees its just samantics
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Yes, it is the first step of a three step process. While I can't speak for Meguiar's design intentions for their products, I think we all might agree that this product isn't a substitute for the clay process.

Yes, if you are looking for a multi-function product (ie. provides glossing agents / protective qualities), then Meg's DC Step 1 doesn't fill that bill. However if that is what you are looking for, then there is a much wider range of 1-step products, which depending on the condition of the paint could be employed. PB's PwC comes to mind. For paint that is decent condition, it will clean, peform some defect correction, and leave some protection behind. You can 1-step it or follow up with a carnauba and some sealants for further enhancement.
 
Mr. Clean said:
Yes, it is the first step of a three step process. While I can't speak for Meguiar's design intentions for their products, I think we all might agree that this product isn't a substitute for the clay process.

Yes, if you are looking for a multi-function product (ie. provides glossing agents / protective qualities), then Meg's DC Step 1 doesn't fill that bill. However if that is what you are looking for, then there is a much wider range of 1-step products, which depending on the condition of the paint could be employed. PB's PwC comes to mind. For paint that is decent condition, it will clean, peform some defect correction, and leave some protection behind. You can 1-step it or follow up with a carnauba and some sealants for further enhancement.
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yes what I was trying to say is that I dont see the megs cleanse as a subsitute as clay however thats what it was desgined for. Tthe 3 step program was ment fro the back yard amature who wants to go to the next step. Its easy to use and works well. Im still a clayer dont worry.

I am not looking for a 1 step either. I already have megs 66 and have poli-seal comming. I dont want a product that is a one steper. I am still going to wax, this is just a pre-wax treatment.

I have been impressed by vw lite cleanse becasue it gives a nice deep look. It really gives deapth to the paint. I am looking for other cleanse product that will help give me that look.

and it looks like i will have to send david a pm.. i will pass on the info i promise
 
So i got a respone from David, and on his birthday.. what a nice guy. :yay . I asked him what the diffrence between the two are. Here is what he said.. This is just copy and pasted

Hi Mike, I always look forwards to your posts, you sure got them pumped up last week on Zymol. Must have been a record.

Both Lite and Deep Cleanse start out the same, with the Deep Cleanse an extra about of solvent is added as well an additive to remove swirls and cut any hazes. Both are classed as non-abrasive and meant for new and well cared for finishes. A few detail shops would keep these products for special customers with cars that you are familiar detailing, others would use a more aggressive astringent solvent based with even a small amount of abrasives to facilitate a quicker job. Because there is many finishes with soft paints and clear coats being used both Lite and Deep Cleanse have a small amount of wax added to offer some protection of accidental marring of the bare surface. If a surface was to be re-painted Lite and Deep Cleanse would have to be remove and the surface properly prepped. Both Lite and Deep Cleanse are formulated for hand applications, but power can be used at slower speeds.

We don't have any Deep Cleanse stock in Calgary, we would have to supply it direct. You can just fill out your name on the online ordering, pick what you want and submit the order. We will contact you for payment information or use the information previously submitted.
 
3 in a row.. tic tac toe....

Ok so since this dosent seem to be a big thread it got me thinking. how many people do use a cleansing lotion in combination with Clay?

Im just currious to see if im in the minorty here.. which is sounds like i might be
 
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