Buffing results ( #82 + water mist)

Don

Don

Darth Camaro 12/27/15
Well, mother nature gave me the finger today, low 40's & drizzle so the Zaino wasn't going to happen. I did get to buff the car with the #82.

I started with a white pad, but ended up using a yellow pad. I aslo used a spray bottle of plain water and misted the surface before using the PC. This is something that I've been curious about trying, except that the GEM didn't have enough oomph to do the job. The PC was plenty strong enough. I found that the water let me buff the material longer than I would have otherwise, so i was really able to work the # 82 into the surface. As planned, I continued to buff until there was just a light haze remaining on the surface.

I went one panel at a time, and after buffing, used a MF to remove the haze. When each panel was done I had to get about an inch or two from the panel and look at specific angles to see what few scratches remained, and even those had edges that had been 'rounded off' by the polish.

The finish looked like I had just layered Zaino.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to complete the detail until the weather breaks, but I planned on a 2nd buffing anyway.

I noticed a few things while I was doing the car, and thought I'd share. Does anyone else 'angle' the buffer and use the edges of the pad sometimes instead of keeping it flat? Also I had a few occasions where one-handed operation of the buffer was far easier than using both hands, does anyone else do this?

Too, instead of having an 'oily' finish after using the #82 like I normally get, since I used the water, the panels are literally "squeaky clean." Don't get me wrong, they are absolutely, increadibly smooth. It just feels like the paint is totally bare.

I can't wait to "finish" the job.
 
Don said:
Does anyone else 'angle' the buffer and use the edges of the pad sometimes instead of keeping it flat? Also I had a few occasions where one-handed operation of the buffer was far easier than using both hands, does anyone else do this?

Too, instead of having an 'oily' finish after using the #82 like I normally get, since I used the water, the panels are literally "squeaky clean." Don't get me wrong, they are absolutely, increadibly smooth. It just feels like the paint is totally bare.

I can't wait to "finish" the job.
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tiilting the pad up on one end a bit is pretty common, I think. That's how I learned to use the rotary and often times find myself doing it with the PC D.A. also.

Also, fwiw, I usually spritz the pad not the surface of the vehicle. Will have to try your method. I do agree though that #82 and most polishes do buff longer and "cleaner" using a spritz of water.

Natty
 
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NattyBumppo said:
tiilting the pad up on one end a bit is pretty common, I think. That's how I learned to use the rotary and often times find myself doing it with the PC D.A. also.

Natty
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That's what it reminded me of...using a rotary, but without the risk.
 
Water Spritz?

Somewhere I have read that using a water spritz with a product will quite often increase the aggressiveness of that product. Have either or both of you noticed that happening? Would you also expect similar results with #9 Swirl Remover 2.0?
 
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CharlesW said:
Somewhere I have read that using a water spritz with a product will quite often increase the aggressiveness of that product. Have either or both of you noticed that happening? Would you also expect similar results with #9 Swirl Remover 2.0?
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That's what I've head too, and from the "squeaky clean" condition of my paint after using the water spritz, I find myself agreeing. From the feel of things, there isn't any oil or fillers left on my paint from the #82, which is unusual...so apparently the oils etc in the polish must have separated, and either been absorbed into the buffing pad (more likely) or buffed off with the MF (not likely because the haze left on the paint was DRY,

And...since the oils weren't there to lube or 'cushion' the abrasives....
 
I talked to a few other people and they think that I should have used a slightly more abrasive produce since the water + 82 still left micro scratches behind. I know they weren't cause by the buffing b/c they were straight lines ;)

I might pick up some #9, or just do the 82 + water bit again...maybe with the buffing I did yesterday, NOW the surface is at the point were the 82 is the 'right' product to use.... We shall see.
 
Don said:
I might pick up some #9, or just do the 82 + water bit again
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It's your call, but Meguiar's rates both #82 and #9 as a 3 on their 0 to 10 abrasive scale. The #9 probably won't do any more for you than the #82. #83 Double Action Cleaner/Polish, (DACP), is rated at 6, if you feel you need something stronger.
 
CharlesW said:
It's your call, but Meguiar's rates both #82 and #9 as a 3 on their 0 to 10 abrasive scale. The #9 probably won't do any more for you than the #82. #83 Double Action Cleaner/Polish, (DACP), is rated at 6, if you feel you need something stronger.
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Agreed. IMO, #9 and Swirl Free are interchangeable. If you want to stick with Megs go to DACP. Its more agressive but still buffs off with no haze and often can go right to final finish (with polishing pad not cutting pad). I use a spritz or two on the pad with DACP also.

As for the water making the product more agressive I've not heard that before but going by Don's observations (re: the water dispersing the polishing lubricants/oils) it sort of makes sense. My main reason for using a spritz is that it keeps the product workable for a longer time thus allowing for a longer polish time. As Don stated, it also leaves a squeeky clean finish behind.

Natty
 
you can also get the #82 and DACP from a local autobody supply store if you need it quick, otherwise get it from Dwayne.
 
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