Brussels Terrorist Attack

Until the rest of the muslim world, the non radicals step up and clean their own house, all we can do is nuke them all and let god sort it out. Crazy idea? we know where ISIS is - we could nuke them all. Hey JB, that's pretty strong response man, and I'll agree, but, tell me how well everything else has worked? I don't quite understand how we can go ZERO tolerance on drugs, or guns - like the 5 year old that turned a Pop-tart into a gun and was going "pow" got suspended. And not at least do the same with radical muslim terrorist. I don't see why France and the rest of the countries across the pond can't just go into these neighborhoods and do a house to house search, find anything like bomb making kits, literature on such, etc - drag them out, ask them to co-operate and if they refuse shoot them in the face. Over, done move on. How long would it take that maybe the host countries have had enough and that they either adopt their new countries values or go back to where they came. I know there's a lot of people that would say either I'm crazy or too extreme, but ask yourself this: if you had a wife, son, daughter etc minding their own business trying to get home or go to work and they were killed by these animals - what would you do?
Now, I don't believe in that whole Christian turn the other cheek crap, that's what's wrong now and it's a weakness they are exploiting - they aint dumb. But we - well some of us that think you can reason with them, are.
That's my opinion - like it - fine - if not save your breath, I could care less
 
I agree, but like I said earlier, no civilized nation has the stones to do this, so we'll just keep on the path we're on now. Get used to innocent civilians being blown up across Europe and eventually here
 
PARIS (AP) -- The Islamic State group has trained at least 400 fighters to target Europe in deadly waves of attacks, deploying interlocking terror cells like the ones that struck Brussels and Paris with orders to choose the time, place and method for maximum chaos, officials have told The Associated Press.

The network of agile and semiautonomous cells shows the reach of the extremist group in Europe even as it loses ground in Syria and Iraq.

The officials, including European and Iraqi intelligence officials and a French lawmaker who follows the jihadi networks, described camps in Syria, Iraq and possibly the former Soviet bloc where attackers are trained to target the West. Before being killed in a police raid, the ringleader of the Nov. 13 Paris attacks claimed he had entered Europe in a multinational group of 90 fighters, who scattered "more or less everywhere."

But the biggest break yet in the Paris attacks investigation - the arrest on Friday of fugitive Salah Abdeslam - did not thwart the multipronged attack just four days later on the Belgian capital's airport and subway system that left 31 people dead and an estimated 270 wounded. Three suicide bombers also died.

Just as in Paris, Belgian authorities were searching for at least one fugitive in Tuesday's attacks - this time for a man wearing a white jacket who was seen on airport security footage with the two suicide attackers. The fear is that the man, whose identity Belgian officials say is not known, will follow Abdeslam's path.

After fleeing Paris immediately after the November attacks, Abdeslam forged a new network back in his childhood neighborhood of Molenbeek, long known as a haven for jihadis, and renewed plotting, according to Belgian officials.

"Not only did he drop out of sight, but he did so to organize another attack, with accomplices everywhere. With suicide belts. Two attacks organized just like in Paris. And his arrest, since they knew he was going to talk, it was a response: 'So what if he was arrested? We'll show you that it doesn't change a thing,'" said French Senator Nathalie Goulet, co-head of a commission tracking jihadi networks.

Estimates range from 400 to 600 Islamic State fighters trained specifically for external attacks, according to the officials, including Goulet. Some 5,000 Europeans have gone to Syria.

"The reality is that if we knew exactly how many there were, it wouldn't be happening," she said.

More than four sources with access to tallies of fighters tasked with Europe attacks independently corroborated the numbers of fighters who trained for specific attacks in Europe, including some who have spoken to fighters directly. Others have cross checked information regarding fighters leaving or returning.

Two of the suicide bombers in Tuesday's attacks, Belgian-born brothers Ibrahim and Khalid El Bakraoui, were known to authorities as common criminals, not anti-Western radicals until an apartment one of them rented was traced to Abdeslam last week, according to Belgian state broadcaster RTBF. Similarly, an Algerian killed inside that apartment on March 15 had nothing but a petty theft record in Sweden - but he'd signed up as an Islamic State suicide bomber for the group in 2014 and returned to Europe as part of the Nov. 13 plot.

In claiming responsibility for Tuesday's attack, the Islamic State group described a "secret cell of soldiers" dispatched to Brussels for the purpose. The shadowy cells were confirmed by the EU police agency, Europol, which said in a late January report that intelligence officials believed the group had "developed an external action command trained for special forces-style attacks."

French speakers with links to North Africa, France and Belgium appear to be leading the units and are responsible for developing attack strategies in Europe, said a European security official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss briefing material. He is also familiar with interrogations of former fighters who have returned to Europe. Some were jailed after leaving IS while others were kicked out of the terror group, and they include Muslims and Muslim converts from all across Europe.

Fighters in the units are trained in battleground strategies, explosives, surveillance techniques and counter surveillance, the security official said.

"The difference is that in 2014, some of these IS fighters were only being given a couple weeks of training," he said. "Now the strategy has changed. Special units have been set up. The training is longer. And the objective appears to no longer be killing as many people as possible but rather to have as many terror operations as possible, so the enemy is forced to spend more money or more in manpower."

Similar methods had been developed by al-Qaida but IS has taken it to a new level, he said. Another difference is that fighters are being trained to be their own operators - not necessarily to be beholden to orders from the IS stronghold in Raqqa, Syria, or elsewhere.

Several security officials have said there is growing evidence to suggest the bulk of the training is taking place in Syria, Libya and elsewhere in North Africa.

In the case of Tuesday's attacks, Abdeslam's arrest may have been a trigger for a plot that was already far along.

"To pull off an attack of this sophistication, you need training, planning, materials and a landscape," said Shiraz Maher, a senior research fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation at Kings College in London, which has one of the largest databases of fighters and their networks.

"Even if they worked flat out, the attackers in Brussels would have needed at least four days," said Maher, who has conducted extensive interviews with foreign fighters.

The question for many intelligence and security officials is now turning to just how many more fighters have been trained and are ready for more attacks.

A senior Iraqi intelligence official who was not authorized to speak publicly said people from the cell that carried out the Paris attacks are scattered across Germany, Britain, Italy, Denmark and Sweden. Recently, a new group crossed in from Turkey, the official said.

On Wednesday, Turkish authorities said one of the Brussels suicide attackers, Ibrahim El Bakraoui, was caught last June near the Syrian border and deported to the Netherlands, with Ankara warning Dutch and Belgian officials that he was a "foreign terrorist fighter." But he was released from Dutch custody due to lack of evidence of involvement in extremism.

Belgian Justice Minister Koen Geens said Wednesday that authorities had no reason to detain El Bakraoui because he was "not known for terrorist acts but as a common law criminal who was on conditional release."

The latest new name to surface this week, Najim Laachraoui, turned out to be the bombmaker who made the suicide vests used in the Paris attacks, according to French and Belgian officials. Attackers used an explosive known as Triacetone Triperoxide, or TATP, made from common household chemicals. DNA evidence indicates he died on Tuesday in the suicide attack on the airport, two officials briefed on the investigation told AP.

Fifteen kilos of TATP were found in an apartment linked to the Brussels attackers, along with other explosive material.

The unidentified man seen on security footage wearing a white jacket and black hat at the Brussels airport on Tuesday remains at large, a fugitive link in a chain still being forged.
 
until all countries realize that this is a war against us and not just a criminal action to be followed up with a police/legal prosecution, we are really wasting our time. there needs to be an official declaration of war made against these sub humans, followed up with unrestricted warfare. if not, you ain't seen nothing yet.
 
If you are looking for a legal declaration, then Congress should declare war and authorize funds to pay for it.

In the State of the Union, Obama said:

“If this Congress is serious about winning this war, and wants to send a message to our troops and the world, you should finally authorize the use of military force against ISIL,” “Take a vote. But the American people should know that with or without Congressional action, ISIL will learn the same lessons as terrorists before them.”

You can disagree with the strategy but there should be a vote. Cruz is not even mentioning it.

Congress sorta declared war after 9/11 on people related to the attack.
 
Obama is pro terrorism. He surrounds himself with C.A.I.R. members as does pos Kerry and Hilary. They are terrorists themselves. We will have to wait for Trump to fix this.

Will be easy enough to fix:

Declare islam a political organization
declare it a terrorist organization
Bulldoze all the mosques down
outlaw the burka in public
outlaw whatever their law is period
prohibit any of them from holding a position of teacher
prohibit any of them from holding a position of public service
prohibit any of them from holding public office
prohibit them from obtainain firearms.
 
it takes strength and courage to confront evil, so that just won't happen with the current administration, which disdains the military to start with. (that is unless there is the possibility of a beneficial photo op.) i'm afraid the rest of the world won't get it either until there's a nuclear, biological or chemical catastrophe perpetrated by the sub humans.
 
I do not think Obama disdains the military. He just does not see every solution as sending thousands of troops and bombing everything to solve every issue. He realizes,like even some republicans, believe that indiscriminate bombing just creates more terrorists. We need Muslim people's help to solve this problem and declaring war on Muslims is not very smart. We cannot solve every world problem with military force and bravado. Wars can be a terrible of human life and expensive - still paying the bills for the last two.
 
We need Muslim people's help to solve this problem and declaring war on Muslims is not very smart..

Thanks for posting that, nice to see that opinion here. It's a viewpoint that doesn't seem to get all that much traction in some circles.
 
I do not think Obama disdains the military. He just does not see every solution as sending thousands of troops and bombing everything to solve every issue. He realizes,like even some republicans, believe that indiscriminate bombing just creates more terrorists. We need Muslim people's help to solve this problem and declaring war on Muslims is not very smart. We cannot solve every world problem with military force and bravado. Wars can be a terrible of human life and expensive - still paying the bills for the last two.

Who declared war on Muslims? Did I miss something?
 
So then, we cannot declare an undeclared war on Muslims that we never declared...

And we cannot ever make them mad - (although in every video of them out there, they appear to already be very, very, mad), because then if they get mad, they will attack us even more or something....

And we cannot use military force or "bravado" (?) when they continually blow up innocent people and children and kill anyone in cold blood at any moment...

So, who then, is going to wipe all that blood off the hands of those who appear to think and feel that somehow, this situation is "OK" to continue to happen, and we must sit back in our Barcaloungers and think - "wow - Im glad Im not there" ???

I just watched last night the HBO special - "Only the Dead See the End of the War"
It was a lot of footage taken from Both sides of the conflict in Iraq from 2003 to 2005 I believe...

I can take a Lot of bad crap happening all around me, but the graphic videos of dead and dying people in this left me pretty numb in a not so good way...

The Title of this Special is absolutely genius level because it is so true - :(

If they are Not Ever going to give up killing innocent men, women, and children, the infidels, and whomever ticks them off that minute, I really see no other alternative than all out war, complete, no restrictions, the normal reasonable cautions for innocent people, and the knowledge that there will be collateral damage as there is in any war...
Dan F
 
If they are Not Ever going to give up killing innocent men, women, and children, the infidels, and whomever ticks them off that minute, I really see no other alternative than all out war, complete, no restrictions, the normal reasonable cautions for innocent people, and the knowledge that there will be collateral damage as there is in any war...
Dan F

We must follow the rules of engagement...... Drop leaflets and tell everybody that tomorrow we are going to bomb here.. Don't make people mad.
Wars will be fought in a kinder gentler fashion. There will be no victor, no loser. Everybody goes home with a trophy (except of course our people)
 
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