Black Navigator.. combo?

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2BTAMED

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After more hours and hours of searching old posts and reading, I'm still up in the air.



I've been told by a few local guys that using Megs #83, #80, #16 works wonders



From my reading on here I'm hearing the Poorboys 2.5,1, a polish of choice is another great way to go



As well as there is the M205 and M105, and I've also heard of good things for Optimum products.





This will be one of my first runs with the PC, and I'm looking to remove some marring,scratches, etc. from the black paint and then follow that up with a good polish to give it that mirror look.





What would would you think is the best of what i've mentioned? or perhaps a better idea for me?
 
2BTAMED said:
After more hours and hours of searching old posts and reading, I'm still up in the air.



I've been told by a few local guys that using Megs #83, #80, #16 works wonders..
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I like old-school stuff, but you can do a *lot* better than #83 these days. #80's OK but I kinda lean towards M205 instead.



Nothing wrong with #16; I use it on my wife's car. But I think I'd go a different route on a black SUV (I sure did on my graphite metallic GMC).



From my reading on here I'm hearing the Poorboys 2.5,1, a polish of choice is another great way to go
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Haven't tried it so I can't comment on that one.



As well as there is the M205 and M105...
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Very good choice, my current go-to combo. Short work times, especially the M105. Get plenty of pads if you're using those two. The oils from M205 can be a bit of a hassle (they can look like holograms) but you can wash them off.

and I've also heard of good things for Optimum products.
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Long work times (opposite of the M105/M205). Not *my* choice, but others really like 'em. Not like you'd go *wrong* if you choose that approach.



This will be one of my first runs with the PC, and I'm looking to remove some marring,scratches, etc. from the black paint and then follow that up with a good polish to give it that mirror look.
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I can only do effective correction via PC with little 4" pads, though others do OK with larger ones. Don't waste your time with 6.5" or larger ones though.



I'd choose some durable LSP, something like Collinite wax or FK1000P. That's a big vehicle and I wouldn't want to redo it all the time.



Oh, and Welcome to Autopia!
 
Thanks for all the advice Accumulator,



I'm more then likely going to get myself the 4" kit, and then use that for the majority of the workload and probably switch out to bigger pads for the polishing/waxing stages.



I've heard nothing but good things about M105/205 combo, as well as the Poorboy's which you have no experience with as you mentioned



I know the Meg's are old school definitely, I just know a local guy who has a black F150 who had good results with them, but as you mentioned they are quite old products by today's standards, DACP I heard works wonders for corrections



Curious, is there another combo out there that I could use that would be little cheaper for a first go around with the PC for correction on my big black suv then M line? I'm thinking there must be something out there I can go with on my first choice that will do the job thats little lower then M products.



I obviously want to do the whole process:

wash, clay, wash, correction, polish, wax.. just thinking for first go around I'd prefer not to buy anything to pricey
 
I forgot to mention, I heard that M205 will leave behind hazing/marring on the paint afterwards? I then assume the M105 is used to rid the clearcoat of this?
 
Wrong. 105 is very aggressive and will do most of the removing of the significant swirling. then you follow up with 205 to fix what the 105 left behind. In some cases, the 205 may leave some slight marring. But in most cases for most people, the finish 205 leaves is good enough.



Also, Id like to say that SSR2.5/1 work very well too.



Best wishes
 
craigdt said:
Wrong. 105 is very aggressive and will do most of the removing of the significant swirling. then you follow up with 205 to fix what the 105 left behind. In some cases, the 205 may leave some slight marring. But in most cases for most people, the finish 205 leaves is good enough.



Also, Id like to say that SSR2.5/1 work very well too.



Best wishes
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Sorry, my mistake, put the combo wrong, thanks for the clarification



Accumulator, any other ideas for me?
 
2BTAMED said:
Accumulator, any other ideas for me?
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Just be sure to work a small test area, and inspect it in *GOOD* lighting. If something's not going right you want to know about (and correct) it before you do a large area, let alone the whole vehicle.
 
+1 ........... You paid how much for your Navigator? Don't pass on good products just to save a few dollars.



Scottwax said:
#205 + 16 will make you very happy. If you need more ooomph, then #105 is the way to go.
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MDRX8 said:
+1 ........... You paid how much for your Navigator? Don't pass on good products just to save a few dollars.
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I'm not trying to save money because of cost, I'm meaning I'd rather not buy high end produt for my first go around, as I don't want to waste good product is what I'm meaning, sorry if it came across as me being cheap lol



I have no problem spending money on product, just don't want to waste it cause I'm not good with machine yet is all



Thanks for the advice Scott, I'm not familiar with #16, I believe its a wax, so would I not have to polish in between 205 and #16 or no?



The hood has some significant scratching, so not sure if I should also get the 105 as well



Also thank you for the confirmation of Poorboy's 2.5/1 combo, ive also heard that, though I'm assuming 205 and 105 are more aggressive? or at least the 105?



so many products
 
2BTAMED said:
.. I'm not familiar with #16, I believe its a wax, so would I not have to polish in between 205 and #16 or no?
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Right. #16 is a wax that you'd use after M205 (nothing in between). You could substitute Collinite wax IMO.



The hood has some significant scratching, so not sure if I should also get the 105 as well..
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My guess is "yes".
 
Agree ...... Collinite 845 would work well



Accumulator said:
Right. #16 is a wax that you'd use after M205 (nothing in between). You could substitute Collinite wax IMO.







My guess is "yes".
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Thanks guys,



think I'll try out the 205/16 or 205/Collinite combo, and maybe also get the poorboy's to try out as well, does anyone know with regards to poorboys, is it wax ready after the SSR 2.5/1 combo?



Collinite 845, I hear that it mutes black color? or am I simply thinking of mute in the wrong context?





NY946 said:
105/205/bfwd/845...
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not familiar with blackfire wet diamond, i believe its like a wax? I wouldn't have thought you would put 845 over that?
 
2BTAMED said:
Collinite 845, I hear that it mutes black color? or am I simply thinking of mute in the wrong context?
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I'm never quite sure how people are using "mute" either :think: But I generally don't worry about such "last iota of perfection" subtlety stuff either, at least not on daily drivers. Plenty of people use 845 on black with good results.



..not familiar with blackfire wet diamond, i believe its like a wax? I wouldn't have thought you would put 845 over that?
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I'm not familiar with BFWD either, but you can use 845 over top of most anything. E.g., I sometimes do a "Collinite sandwich" with 845 then 476S then 845.
 
I just came back from seeing my paint guy, and it left me with another question. A small area along my rear bumper on the truck, seems to have a stain on the clearcoat, which my autobody/painter agreed with me. He said he tried to buff it out for me, as it was already in getting some custom work done, but he couldn't get it out. My question is, will 205 or 105 more likely be able to get it out if I try? I just believe he wasn't using anything to aggressive or with to much effort, as he probably didnt put much time into it as he was just doing it as a quick favor for me
 
2BTAMED- Well, M105 would take off more, but to be honest, I'd be a little leery of using something aggressive like that on some mystery stain. Abrasion isn't always the answer.
 
Accumulator said:
2BTAMED- Well, M105 would take off more, but to be honest, I'd be a little leery of using something aggressive like that on some mystery stain. Abrasion isn't always the answer.
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hmm, what do you think is best option? I'm thinking of going to see a detail guy I know to get his take on it might be best bet if trying on my own isn't a good idea
 
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