BFMS spray wax. beading shot

Todd Helme said:
You said Hydrophobic Protection and I am trying to understand what you meant by this.

Are you saying that product that has a great contact angle produces better protection and what, exactly, type of protection your referencing?
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Yes this what Im saying...the water does not stay on the paint. We all know if water just lays on the paint it will get water spots. I know you have seen paint damaged by since there was no protection and constant rain has caused damage too the paint.
 
Reflectiveauto said:
Yes this what Im saying...the water does not stay on the paint. We all know if water just lays on the paint it will get water spots. I know you have seen paint damaged by since there was no protection and constant rain has caused damage too the paint.
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The beads you show does not lay on the paint?
 
Reflectiveauto said:
Yes this what Im saying...the water does not stay on the paint. We all know if water just lays on the paint it will get water spots. I know you have seen paint damaged by since there was no protection and constant rain has caused damage too the paint.
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This is incorrect...


Water beading can actually aid in water spots and etching as the beads concentrate the contaminates in small areas. As the water evaporates it deposits the salt or whatever in that spot and the heat and sun etch it into the paint. Thus water beading can actually be a bad thing.

If you see a car that has almost never been waxed the water will lay flat across the flat surfaces. Thus spreading out the contaminates across a larger surface and reducing the etching and water spots.


In truth I wish Optimum would come out with a version of Opti-Coat that would not bead but rather spread the water and lay flat across the paint minimizing the chance for water spots and etching.

 
TroyScherer said:
This is incorrect...


Water beading can actually aid in water spots and etching as the beads concentrate the contaminates in small areas. As the water evaporates it deposits the salt or whatever in that spot and the heat and sun etch it into the paint. Thus water beading can actually be a bad thing.

If you see a car that has almost never been waxed the water will lay flat across the flat surfaces. Thus spreading out the contaminates across a larger surface and reducing the etching and water spots.


In truth I wish Optimum would come out with a version of Opti-Coat that would not bead but rather spread the water and lay flat across the paint minimizing the chance for water spots and etching.
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I can let you know the water beading are little round balls sitting on the sharpest angle since there is that barrier and water does not want to stick. A car with no protection when wet will have the water stand on the water in no consititency or standard shape like the Nanoskin Hydrophobic products that I use. My Acura RDX was appied with the Nanoskin Hydrophobic Wax and then had the Nanoskin Shield Sealant and I can tell you over the 2 weeks of having it on...water does not stay on it. There are no water spots and nothing and I mean nothing no even road contaminates sticks to it. I just wash it off and its just like I just finished giving her a full detail.
 
Reflectiveauto said:
I can let you know the water beading are little round balls sitting on the sharpest angle since there is that barrier and water does not want to stick. A car with no protection when wet will have the water stand on the water in no consititency or standard shape like the Nanoskin Hydrophobic products that I use. My Acura RDX was appied with the Nanoskin Hydrophobic Wax and then had the Nanoskin Shield Sealant and I can tell you over the 2 weeks of having it on...water does not stay on it. There are no water spots and nothing and I mean nothing no even road contaminates sticks to it. I just wash it off and its just like I just finished giving her a full detail.
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Hmm silver Rdx??? Any chance you use to be on AGO, when you had the zymol soap suds thread?
 
Reflectiveauto said:
I can let you know the water beading are little round balls sitting on the sharpest angle since there is that barrier and water does not want to stick. A car with no protection when wet will have the water stand on the water in no consititency or standard shape like the Nanoskin Hydrophobic products that I use. My Acura RDX was appied with the Nanoskin Hydrophobic Wax and then had the Nanoskin Shield Sealant and I can tell you over the 2 weeks of having it on...water does not stay on it. There are no water spots and nothing and I mean nothing no even road contaminates sticks to it. I just wash it off and its just like I just finished giving her a full detail.
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Thats great. Obviously we all love that tight little beading that we get from applying waxes and sealants. It why we do what we do.

But I stand by my previous post that water beading has ZERO correlation on the actual level of protection or durability.

Permanon is a perfect example. When first applied the the beading and sheeting is the best I have ever seen. I'm talking water runs off the roof and hood in a light rain. But the durability in my experience is lacking and is only a few weeks at best.
 
TroyScherer said:
Thats great. Obviously we all love that tight little beading that we get from applying waxes and sealants. It why we do what we do.

But I stand by my previous post that water beading has ZERO correlation on the actual level of protection or durability.

Permanon is a perfect example. When first applied the the beading and sheeting is the best I have ever seen. I'm talking water runs off the roof and hood in a light rain. But the durability in my experience is lacking and is only a few weeks at best.
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Well its ok...we can all agree to have our opinion. There are so many products that are so good and do a very good job...I wish I had the money to test them all. Btw the Nanoskin Hydrophobic wax is going strong after 3 weeks.
 
Reflectiveauto said:
Well its ok...we can all agree to have our opinion. There are so many products that are so good and do a very good job...I wish I had the money to test them all. Btw the Nanoskin Hydrophobic wax is going strong after 3 weeks.
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I expect all waxes to be going strong for at least 3 weeks. The question is how are you correlating the hydrophobic properties to durability. That mean if my car sheets water and doesn't bead it has no protection?
 
dd1101 said:
I expect all waxes to be going strong for at least 3 weeks. The question is how are you correlating the hydrophobic properties to durability. That mean if my car sheets water and doesn't bead it has no protection?
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If your car sheets water then you have awesome protection.
 
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