Best sealant for Nissan gray and Honda blue..also zaino durability w/ no ZFX

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ncsu602

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I've got two cars coming up this weekend, one is a 2003 Grey Metallic Maxima and the other is a 2004 Dark Blue Accord. Both cars are washed maybe once every two months and the paint isn't taken very good care of, but on the plus side they're both garage kept. I can't make up my mind on a sealant/wax, so I thought I'd ask the experts.:D I have Zaino Z2, Long Haul, Mother's FX Synwax, Meg's #26, and S100. I'm thinking FX with S100, but I want something that's dripping wet. Give me some pics!



Also, I recently ran out of Z1 and haven't bought and ZFX yet, and I was wondering about Z2's durability without either. I've used Z2 (no Z1 or ZFX) with s100 on my black Camaro, but I can't comment on durability since it stays inside at a slight chance of rain. I've searched everywhere and I get either that it will work with no problems or you'll be arrested on the spot if you don't use the "Zaino system"......maybe that's why I haven't ordered anymore. Any new updates on durability? Thanks!
 
Z2 left on overnight absent ZFX will buff right out and be pretty durable on a garage kept car.



4Star UPP has been recommended to me as a good option for a sealant for silver paint....followed by some NB.



There's some pics of my Silverstone Nissan with Zaino Z2 here.



http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=66332&page=1&pp=12



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If you use Z2 without Z1 or ZFX, I recommend using AIO as a base. You could probably also use an alcohol wipe, but I much prefer the AIO. You just want to be sure that there are no fillers on the paint.
 
ZFX is an activator that speeds the bonding between layering and it can’t be mixed and sold in a bottle as the same, you have to mix it. If just applying z2 or z5 it then it takes 24 hr for the polymers to bond same goes with any polymer sealer. ZFX only cost about $10.00 and 4 or 5 drops makes a 1oz is i remember right. I don’t know what else to say it’s a chemical thing for quality end results
 
OCW is surprisingly good on gray shades. FK 2180/1000P/Pink is a terrific combo, but the Werkstatt products are outstanding for neutral colors too.



From OTC, you should try the new Mothers lines, because they add unbelievable wetness. When the surface is freshly prepped, Mothers FX/Collinite 845 is a killer combo.
 
Even though I have no experience with using Z sealants without either Z1 or ZFX for the "initial" coat it will probably work. With that said, I "could" use 87 octane gas in my C5 to save a few pennies. The car will run but not to its optimum capacity (knock sensors will retard timing to protect itself).

Same for Zaino sealants. They will work but at a much diminished capacity (durability) that will probably equal the durability of some of the other products you have on hand. If these are paying customers it would probably be best to use one of the other products rather than not applying Zaino via the manufacturer's instructions. :nixweiss
 
ZFX is a "flash cure additive" that speeds the curing process. Why would it affect the durability of the Z2/Z2Pro/Z5 if this addidive were not introduced? I actually prefer the results minus the ZFX...takes longer to cure but if it's sitting in the garage anyway that's not an issue. If you need the sealant to cure within an hour...add the ZFX. Two-Three dropps per ounce depending on heat/humidity.
 
KShep said:
ZFX is a "flash cure additive" that speeds the curing process. Why would it affect the durability of the Z2/Z2Pro/Z5 if this addidive were not introduced? I actually prefer the results minus the ZFX...takes longer to cure but if it's sitting in the garage anyway that's not an issue. If you need the sealant to cure within an hour...add the ZFX. Two-Three dropps per ounce depending on heat/humidity.
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If Z1 or ZFX are not used for the initial coat which must bond securely to the clean painted surface, durability will be decreased. Has nothng to do with the speed of curing aspect of ZFX's activities.
 
Thanks for the replys.....KShep, the 350Z is amazing!



This is kinda what I thought would happen with the Zaino discussion. It has nothing to do with money, it's just alot of trouble. I guess I'm trying to figure out a way to not use Z1. My bottle separated and wouldn't go back in suspension :angry even after shaking it for nearly 30 minutes solid, and I don't wanna buy any more. I've discovered FMJ since I've been on this website and these two cars won't get the good stuff.



Anyhow, I'll probably go with FX, possibly with some S100.



One more question, can anyone tell me the differences between S100/P21S and Natty's Blue? I've been thinking about ordering some NB, but if there's hardly any difference I'll buy some when I run out of S100.
 
ncsu602 said:
My bottle separated and wouldn't go back in suspension :angry even after shaking it for nearly 30 minutes solid, and I don't wanna buy any more.
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You should contact Sal about this. He'll take care of it.
 
ncsu602 said:
TOne more question, can anyone tell me the differences between S100/P21S and Natty's Blue? I've been thinking about ordering some NB, but if there's hardly any difference I'll buy some when I run out of S100.
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Natty's Blue is definitely wetter looking. Seems to be more durable too.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
If Z1 or ZFX are not used for the initial coat which must bond securely to the clean painted surface, durability will be decreased. Has nothng to do with the speed of curing aspect of ZFX's activities.
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I didn't know this and apologize for posting misinformation regarding a product that has produced excellent results for me.



The original poster has customers to satisfy and I'm more or less a hobbyist at this game.



Nine times out of ten ZFX is included when I apply Zaino, and I apply multiple layers ( one Z5 and two Z2) of the sealant during each session. Many times the final application goes on late in the day, minus ZFX, and is buffed out the next morning.



Again...apologies for any confusion and thanks for the compliments as always.



Kenny
 
KShep said:
I didn't know this and apologize for posting misinformation regarding a product that has produced excellent results for me.



The original poster has customers to satisfy and I'm more or less a hobbyist at this game.



Nine times out of ten ZFX is included when I apply Zaino, and I apply multiple layers ( one Z5 and two Z2) of the sealant during each session. Many times the final application goes on late in the day, minus ZFX, and is buffed out the next morning.



Again...apologies for any confusion and thanks for the compliments as always.



Kenny
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Hi Kenny,

No apologies necessary.

Many have had good results not using Z1 or ZFX, but the manufacturer (Sal) instructs us to at least use Z1 or ZFX for the first coat for "optimum" bonding which leads to optimum durability.



Like yourself, I too will only mix up enough ZFX containing product for the first couple of coats and apply a final or 3rd coat without ZFX. This method is perfectly correct and will yield maximal performance. :wavey
 
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