Being open minded about things

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This may be slightly off topic perhaps but thought this was the best place to put it



It seems that many of us autopians are quite closed minded about long life sealers that are not polymer based, new polishes that don't remove as much clear or any and other products that make big claims



Sure there's been people spamming these forums or just asking genuine questions about five star shine PPS, Colour Shield, Polaris Aeropoxy Clearcoat, Fireglaze, Glare, Matrix, Venture Shield, Permagard, Ming etc etc and some of these may be nothing at all but unless I've tried them, I'll stay open minded

It seems that alot of members are against all of them and not many have tested them.



Yes there are some trashy products in the worldwide car care/detailing market but I've kept an open mind and bought a few bottles of some of these products and had great success and not just with the paint either



I'm not better or even as good as many of you but am willing to try anything once and thanks to finally biting the bullet with two brands lately, have lifted my car's appearance higher than what's possible by polishing



A fellow professional in a western part of Australia didn't want to touch permagard when I told him I had talked to the SA distributor about it. He was staying away from it

I payed big money for this little bottle of it which is a cleaner and 12 month sealant and maintenance product to remove swirls off the reactive sealant coating which is supposedly permanent



So I gave it a go by machine after Fireglaze Plus single strength on my unpainted fibreglass top spoiler which is part of the tickford twin winged spoiler that was available with the Falcon off the day. and it lifted the colour right up and the reflections are now higher than ever before and about 10% away from being like a mirror.

It's always been blurry and cloudy but had no reflection at all when I bought the car.

It looks like it's been painted gloss black and clearcoated.



By hand and machine, it polished my urethane exterior door moldings so beautifully that they are even better than when I applied my Trim Dream by machine and sealed with Fireglaze double strength



There is an unpainted horizontal trim piece on my hood which has always been brown and faded and I hated to keep applying dressings to it.

Just by hand with a german applicator (soft side), it's now black, super slick and sealed up for over a year. it won't fade again.



It is also one hell of a hand cleaner/polish. removed the white stain and filled in most of the two bird etching marks that had been there since the owner had it.

The colour it gives to the paint by hand is insane.

Along with that, it polishes tinted windows and unpainted side mirror backings (both soft and textured) plus textured trims that my trim dream and fireglaze wouldn't work on

yes it was eighty five dollars for a 236ml bottle and I'll be getting a bigger bottle shortly that's better priced but it's got my tick of approval



Next - Glare Pro Polish



Man I put off buying this for five years but bought a bottle last week off the aussie distributor who uses it professionally and knows how to use it properly



Now I do not know how good this is as a sealant yet but it's the ultimate hand polish and glaze because in two minutes with another german applicator, the grey, faded textured side mirror backings of the three MG-Rover RV8's that we have in storage here were turned into high gloss black and had the look of perfectly polished single stage black.

I had tried everything I had to get those up but to no avail.



The amazing thing about this product is that on every car's paint I've applied it too by machine and then by hand, it actually filled in alot of the swirls and has hidden some of the orange peel to the point that it's almost completely level

My dad's MG-F race car had only slight peel but now is 95% level.



It should outlast fireglaze as a sealant and so far those swirls haven't washed back out

There is no product I've tried in 10 years that makes the paint so slick. It's slicker than butter.



Basically all I am saying is - keep your mind open to new technologies and give some of these products a go. If you never try them, you may just get left behind or miss out on apermanent or long lasting solution to a car surface problem
 
I agree with you on this...



I cant speak for anyone else here, but I feel kinda "world weary" and somewhat

burned out from all the hype and the failures of so many products. So now, I tend

to read teh claims, and so on with a very big grain of salt. It is from places such

as this, as well as my own personal experiences, that help guide my decision making

choices..
 
OK pics a coming when I return from phillip island raceway

I haven't had more than three products let me down.



Got plenty of pics from last two years to compare to the cars now
 
Right, here are pics of my bi plane spoiler's top spoiler after glare and permagard



Whole process was trim dream, fireglaze, glare pro polish and permagard, all by hand with LC 4 inch pads.

Sealed with glare.



Remember, this is unpainted and from the factory have absolutely no reflections and is very light brown with gold specks. (i've burnished out the specks as I didn't like the look)



All these products used are non abrasive and the ingredients and the heat from the machine burnishes off the rough feeling dead looking top layer and enhances the shinier and silky smooth layers below.



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Video of wing video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting



Now to exterior trims

Lower ones were hard and flat brown when I got the car in 04, dressed them until 06 when I first created trim dream

A few months ago I applied trim dream v3.02 (runnier version than V2 or V3.01) and followed with fireglaze DS.

Sealed with DS



Two weeks ago : Glare Pro Polish with LC white pad and Permagard PD5000 with LC black and blue

yesterday, Aussie Gold showroom glaze spray on shine with LC blue for five minutes on each piece)

Sealed with Glare.



It's really hard to capture the true shine with a camera.



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The only real problem I have with those sealants is that you can't trust the average car dealer to apply them without adding swirls to the paint.



Plus, a one application product that lasts 5 years is not going to look as good as the same car without the sealant but instead regularly polished and sealed. That isn't to say long life sealants don't have their place. They are perfect for those who are leasing and have zero plans to wax their car for the next 3 years...but then you come back to how it is applied.
 
Your spot on with the dealers possibly swirling the car, I've seen it and I believe that a repolish and then application of one of those sealants once or twice a year is best. That's what I do.



If your going to keep the car longer than six years, I advise to to polish no more often than stated above or do it more often for a few years then switch to using chemical polishes and pure glazes like glare or fireglaze (pure glazes) which fill in the marks (won't wash out)



Nothing I've tested has lasted five years and I'd hate to leave them on that long as the contaminant build up and marring would be horrible

Now that my trims have been sealed, they will never fade and I'll just reapply showroom glaze spray and glare or FG, a year after application
 
We have glare franchise here. But from what I look at the cars that done by them after some periods there are swirl and hologram city back. So I don't really believe the sealant wont wash out.

I acknowledge that maybe the hologram comes from poor prep before sealed just as anybody without proper buffing technique can do, but its not what a customer would want from an international franchise brand name, is it?.



Now Glare kind of giving 1,5 year warranty in terms during the period you can bring the car back for 2 more times i am not sure it is full detail or just reglaze/reseal.



In the end is thats it the way Glare doing things then what else the difference of using another brand of sealant to seal your paint? I think there are sealants out there that surely can last six month. Zaino, Duragloss, JW etc.



So what is the justification the price?



The shine?



Easily match up and even better using Zaino, JW, now Ultima



Just my humbke opinion
 
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