Before and After Pictues.

GearHead_1

Long Time Member
I decided to start this thread because I made this post in a thread where someone had taken before and after pictures of their work. Once I re-read my post I decided that it sounded way to critical to make this comment in a members thread displaying their hard work. The car they had taken pictures of looked very nice. Basically this is a cut and paste of the response I made to some before and after pictures. I would be interested to hear others opinions regarding this topic.

I'm going to make a comment/suggestion and I mean no offense by it. As everyone knows pictures don't always tell the whole story. Pictures taken in the shade with a light source in the back ground don't really show the quality of one's work. It's very easy to take a shot under those circumstances and make a car look good when it's not very good. I'm sure this car really does look good and I'm not suggesting your work is anything but great.

There was a guy on one of the forums a number of years back that made this comment and I thought he was nuts. We all like before and after pictures but he was making the case that pictures are worthless (they're not worthless and most of us know that). He took some pictures of a car and the car looked pretty nice. He then pulled the car into the sunlight untouched and took some pictures to show that the car that was obviously well maintained but had been through a recent rain, water spots and all. It was almost unbelievable to me to think I was looking at the same car.

I learned something that day and now wonder every time I see follow up pictures taken in this manner. This is particularly true on white/light cars. I have two of them myself and I know I can do this with a camera, it's almost like cheating. I think about this often and laugh to myself as I walk down the side of my truck parked in the garage. It looks pretty good but I know it hasn't been cleaned up in 10 days.

As we take before and after pictures I think it is our nature in the before pictures to show every flaw that exists under bright light. Then when it's time for the after pictures we portray the car in the manner that makes it look best. Sometimes moving the camera's perspective only 10 degrees can make swirls totally disappear. If you really want to show your work off take the pictures in the sun light. This can be a challenge especially when you have a car that has taken all day long and the sun is setting but try to get the bulk of your after shots out of the shade and with some natural light on it. Just my 2 cents.
 
Great post! I couldn't agree more. It is very easy to photograph a car in the garage with the reflection from outside on it and make it look perfect. Meanwhile, the paint is far from it.
 
Thanks GEAR! I ALWAYS try to photo the worst pictures on vehichles. Then see hows much change there really is. I might even post some sometime.
 
Gear!

I could not agree more with pics for B&F...lets face it we are detail enthusiasts not photographers...I bite at taking pics so I really don't post much...its to bad because I have turned some car 110% and would love to show that here..What I see makes me pay attention are cars that are real dirty...or really trashed inside...Kind of like Steve, wife's car that pockets cleaned:D...once something like that is clean you can see the difference...that's dramatic IMO

One thing that I see is what happens for me and a lot of us...the time difference from start to finish...the natural sun light changes so the pics are going to look different.

Gear again thanks for point this out..in some B&F pics I am really trying to see the improvement..I know its there, but the lighting, camera person and all make the difference:D
 
I'm sorry to say that I used to post a whole lot of pictures until I had this realization. It kind of deflated me a bit. I really like to look at the pictures you guys post. I might be wrong on this but I think remember that Charles doesn't do pictures for the same reason. He'll correct me if I misspoke here.
 
I'm sorry to say that I used to post a whole lot of pictures until I had this realization. It kind of deflated me a bit. I really like to look at the pictures you guys post. I might be wrong on this but I think remember that Charles doesn't do pictures for the same reason. He'll correct me if I misspoke here.

I don't post pics for two reasons...one I bite at it...but really the reason is I don't like taking the time to do it...I'm about getting the job done and nothing more...Taking pics just takes to long IMO
 
Great post. When I have the time to do a complete detail, I am always sure to take before and after pictures in the same lighting conditions. It does irritate me a little when someone posts garage pictures and reflections in a garage and they get praised without showing the true condition of the paint, but there isn't anything I can do about it. Then again this is just the internet and the comments people post don't really matter, as long as the poster and customer is happy, is all that matters.

But here is a perfect example. I don't want to step on anyones toes (there are plenty of examples around the internet :)) so I'll use one of my details, a Toyota Highlander. If I remember correctly the customer was pressed for time and mainly wanted the rotary holograms removed. So it wasn't a concourse detail for perfection, just a quick polish and seal. The holograms were removed and the customer got the results they wanted during their available time. Naturally I would have liked to have done a full job but sometimes thats not always possible.

Before:
HPIM1190.jpg


After (shade):
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After (reality):
HPIM1201-1.jpg
 
This is an excellent post and a thread that everyone should remember.

Remember that no polish in the world can do a better job in removing or eliminating swirls then the Shade can!

I appreciate all the people who post before and afters and they are done in the same lighting and at the same distance. Example is right above my post Budman hit it right on the head...that the truth is not everything is going to come out, somethings are just to deep to remove and the only thing that going to fix it is a repaint.
 
I like to look at before and after pictures but I don't put a whole lot of emphasis on them except when done in the sun at the same angles ... I would rather hear the detailer's evaluation of the job and what their thoughts are on the final outcome. I know Patrick Holland is on vacation now, but being that he is this side of a professional photographer and also can do amazing things with photoshop, he has shown me many pictures like budman posted that just flat out show lies ... I hope and believe that people in this forum have a higher integrity than those I've seen on other forums and don't need to boost their ego's with deception.. the only way to improve on technique is to admit failure and ask for help and learn ... ok I'll get off the soapbox now :D
 
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