arthritis and back pains..

Envious Eric

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what are you long term business owners doing about it? Is it covered under your insurance, so you have health insurance and all the good things that you would get if you worked an desk 9-5? What kind of packages do you have? how do you get compensated for not being able to detail on a friday because the pain is too much from the 6 details earlier in the week? is it even possible to get "sick pay" if you own your own business like this one? what about workmans comp?



I havent made this detailing my sole source of income at this point, but I plan on it in about a year or so. I just want to know some things ahead of time....thanks
 
toyotaguy said:
how do you get compensated for not being able to detail on a friday because the pain is too much from the 6 details earlier in the week?



When you own a business and don't get work done, you don't get paid. There is no such thing as sick pay or workers comp for an owner. You may be lucky enough to find someone who you feel confident in to run the show AND put out quality work so you can take a day here or there but in the end it is all on your shoulders.



Detailing isn't hard manual labor but it does wear on you if you aren't in shape. I wouldn't consider making this my main source of income if you have doubts about getting enough work done to pay the bills + profit.



I do have good health insurance, on par with what is offered through corporations, as well as a disability insurance policy incase for some reason I become unable to work for an extended period of time. Workers comp is an insurance policy you have for employees incase they get hurt on the job.
 
My insurance is with my wife’s company until she finds out 80% of my client base is HOT women. LOL................ I haven’t labored for a living most of my life so I’m very fit, besides that’s what helpers are for.
 
dont know why I asked about workmans comp, I know thats for employees...lol



but I was more interested in what health care packages your business owners have....but I guess its pretty much the same deal as looking throught eh yellow pages and finding health care apart from the job....



nevermind this question, I was thinking too much about it.....
 
I have known people with arthritis and they move to same the desert and they feel much much better. There is alternative medicine like say ginseng.

I’m 49 years old and I don’t have arthritis but I have been self employed for over 20 years and it’s taken its toll on me. When you are self employed you have to make a lot of money and you have to save money. Since I am 49 years old I don’t get round like I used to when I was a lot younger but I have the knowledge to know better.

My Dad is 82 years old and he still works as a mechanic in his own shop, he had two knees replaced and he has arthritis in his hands real bad but he still works. Why because that is the only thing he knows how to do is work and the day he stops working is the day he goes to pieces.



Remember what I said if you are self employed its good to save up money
 
:nixweiss I'd say detailing is helping me stay in shape. Sitting on your rear end all day is what makes you more likely to be injured when you become active.
 
Scottwax said:
:nixweiss I'd say detailing is helping me stay in shape. Sitting on your rear end all day is what makes you more likely to be injured when you become active.



I totally agree with Scott. Not only is it good physical exercise, it is also a great way to reduce stress in your life. Try polishing and waxing a 30 foot boat by hand and you will quickly understand how much better you will feel, compared to sitting at a desk all day.
 
mirrorfinishman said:
Try polishing and waxing a 30 foot boat by hand and you will quickly understand how much better you will feel, compared to sitting at a desk all day.



In your opinion.



There are millions of folks who work out either before or after sitting at that desk "all day."



But repeated physical "stress" or overuse on the same body parts - lower back, hands, fingers, ankles, feet, etc... over time can increase the chances of arthritic or other physical conditions. If someone is 10+ pounds overweight they have a higher risk for arthritis, especially in weight-bearing joints like the knees. Increased weight puts significantly more pressure on joints, causing cartilage (the cushioning layer between bones in a joint) to break down faster than usual.



My father who jogs 1 full hour every morning, 6 days a week for the past 30 years with the proper footwear has developed issues with his calves which require icing after each run as a result of repeated pounding.



So there is an increased medically conclusive risk of potential arthritis among detailers as well as other physical jobs.
 
Oh and hey when you work hard eat good like protein, veggies and vitamins helps. Vitamin b-complex w/o iron (men can’t take iron) will give you a lot of energy and chinese ginseng works well in the winter American ginseng in the summer. Working hard take one day off in a week to relax, drinking a can of beer a day or a glass of wine helps.

But the best thing you can possible do so you don’t over work and overly stress out is to have knowledge of your business and knowledge how to run your business. Without knowledge is like running round with your head cut off. There is a lot of free help out there for small self employed business people.

I have bought a house years ago, I have invested in things that made me more money then I have ever learned being self employed so start saving.

Check out alternative medicine its 2000 years older then American medicine is.
 
well ... in accordance to the previous mentioned.... arthritis... as any other illness depends on the person and their lifestyle... i.e. their job as well...



I am in Pristine physical shape and as soon as i picked my PC up for the first time and started to work... i ran out to academy and bought a lower back Belt used for weightlifting... and boy did that help save all the pain in my back from after working... about a 5" belt will suffice...



the only other problem i see (physiclly) is the onsite of carpultunnel in my wrists.. because of living through that exact same problem for about a year, from working on computers, i can allready feel it coming back...



and i just started detailing again...

but now for a business...at age 18



-Matt
 
Toyotaguy: If you are in significant pain after 6 details, there could be several factors at work: poor body mechanics and poor muscle strength, especially in the abdominal and back muscles come to mind first and foremost. It would be useful to know your age and physical shape. If you are overweight and out of shape, you're going to have problems. There are insurance plans for the self-employed...you would have to call various insurance carriers to see what they are and how much they cost. They will be more expensive than the plans provided by employers of larger companies because there will be no employer to help underwrite the costs and can purchase plans at a volume-type discount. I've often thought that a national association of detailers of some type would be useful in securing volume pricing for things such as this.



Joint pain associated with repeated physical impact may not necessarily be arthritis, although many people would refer to such pain by this term. Degenerative joint disease (DJD) may be at work here as well as some other possibilites. Distinguishing osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, DJD, synovits etc....and there proper treatment means a visit to the doctor.....an orthopedist or rheumatologist. Some things can be treated and resolved, like synovitis, others may require chronic meds or surgery and many can be minimized by using proper body mechanics along with muscle strengthening. Alot of people have found benefit in glucosamine/chondroitin compounds for improving joint function. Until the issue is properly defined, the appropriate interventions cannot be determined, just like in deciding which steps, products and tools are needed to correct defects in the finish of a car to be detailed. Be aware that self-medicating with over-the-counter compounds and herbals is self-treating. These things are medications and should be treated as such. You need to be informed, informed, informed when using them and that will require some concerted effort at research on the part of the user befrore taking them. You can do some of this research at www.consumerlab.com, the American Botanical Council's HerbClip at www.herbalgram.org or www.naturaldatabase.com. This last site costs 92 dollars a year and may be available through your local pharmacy, physician or hospital based pharmacy. It will give info on clinical testing and what, if any, are the known drug-herb interactions. If you are on other meds, this information can be crucial to have. Many herbs can potentiate the effects of various prescribed meds. You must always state what herbs etc...you are taking to your health care providers and if you are admitted to the hospital for any reason, but especially for surgery. Herbs such as Ginko can anticoagulate (keep the blood form clotting). The same is true for large doses of Omega3 fatty acids and this effect can be increased by taking such simple things as Pepto-Bismol.

Proper body mechanics and positoning while working can help reduce muscle and joint strain. Muscle strengthening of the abdominal muscle in particular (they support the back) can be helpful as well. The back support brace mentioned by another member has been helpful to some but must be combined with muscle strengthening. Well padded mechanics gloves may help reduce carpel tunnel type issues...I certainly like mine and use them whenever I get out the PC. Use of tools such as Polishing Pals can reduce hand and arm fatigue as compared to regular foam applicators. I use mine religiously for that reason. Other things such as raising the car by driving it onto ramps can make working on the lower panels easier if that is what is needed for you to maintain proper body mechanics. Using a step ladder or platform instead of reaching with a heavy polisher and trying to apply pressure will help as well. Breaking up polishing with other tasks may help. Frequent short breaks with some stretches could possibly be helpful as well.
 
The best advice I could give is to stretch out before working. That and bend with your knees, get a wheeled creeper or stool for lower areas and drink plenty of fluids....keep yourself hydrated.



As for insurance....man insurance for the self employed is so expensive it makes me laugh :D ...then I :wall



It's ridiculous how much it costs. Insurance for myself, wife and kids costs more a month than our house payment. Insuarnce should be done in such a way that you pay into an account and when you reach a limit, say $50K, you shouldn't have to pay anymore until you file a claim. The same should be done for car insurance. I have never once... ever.. made a claim but yet I continue to pay every month. Then an accident occurs, my rates go up or worse they cancel my policy :hairpull



The business owner is at the mercy of himself....no workie means no money



Anthony
 
the reason I ask is because my elbow kills me after claying, but I also played baseball for about 14 years straight with only about 6 seasons off while growing up (4 seasons to a year - spring ball, summerball, fall ball, winter ball)....so that is partly why my elbow and shoulder hurt and the reason for my question
 
Anthony Orosco said:
As for insurance....man insurance for the self employed is so expensive it makes me laugh :D ...then I :wall



It's ridiculous how much it costs. Insurance for myself, wife and kids costs more a month than our house payment.



Thanks Anthony for bringing up the point about the high cost of health insurance for the self employed.



For an entrepreneur thinking about starting their own detailing business, be advised; health insurance is extremely expensive. You could figure at least $12,000 a year to cover two people. And that is not a mistake with too many zeros. Basically it works out to about $1,000 per month to cover two people.
 
Medical is not the problem, it’s the blood sucker dentist? Dental Insurance doesn’t pay xxxt. $$$
 
I have arthritis and still manage to detail a 2-3 cars a week. The PC helps a lot. So does Advil and exercise. I drink lots of water while detailing and spend some time in a jacuzzi daily. I exercise by running 5k a day and doing laps in the pool. I feel better when I stay relatively active while not overdoing it.
 
mirrorfinishman said:
Thanks Anthony for bringing up the point about the high cost of health insurance for the self employed.



For an entrepreneur thinking about starting their own detailing business, be advised; health insurance is extremely expensive. You could figure at least $12,000 a year to cover two people. And that is not a mistake with too many zeros. Basically it works out to about $1,000 per month to cover two people.



Shop around, you may be able to get a better deal. I pay $205 a month (just me though) and I have a $2000 deductable, they pay 80% to $5000 and 100% after that, $8 million lifetime cap. Doctor's visits are $35, I get 50% discounts on eye care.



Of course, I have never actually used my insurance so I can't vouch for how well they actually respond to claims yet.



I like Anthony's $50,000 idea. :)
 
For those of you with employees it's usually cheaper to consider a group health policy for your business. A "group" can consist of as little as 2 people. Group insurance is also much cheaper then a single policy. In my case (in the 20-30 age bracket, no dependents & good health) my healthcare pre-group cost me $170/month with no dental. Now under a group policy my health ins runs ~$125/month and ~$25/month for dental. This is with equal coverage pre & post-group. It is also comparable to the healthcare insurance I was receiving in the corporate world.
 
Two places for Group insurance you might want to check out are the American Small Businesses Association and National Business Association. They are both organizations for small business owners and provide benefits by buying as a group. I've never used them, but they've both been around for a long time.



For dental work, if you have a local dental school or college close by I highly recommend going there for services. They do high quality work at 1/4-1/3 the price of a regular dentist, and all work is double-checked by a supervisor. I had a great experience the last time I went. The dentist was one of the most gentle & painless I've ever been to and had a couple thousand $ worth of work done for a fraction of the cost. Oh and the dentist was an attractive young lady with a great personality, so I got to sit mesmerized in the chair while getting fixed up!
 
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