Are you the best?

WAY WAY too subjective to judge. Very interesting but I can see a big bunch of sour grapes occuring over judging.



I'd nominate Scottwax as a contestant, he would give it a good nudge if it were to go ahead....
 
6cyl's_of_fury said:
WAY WAY too subjective to judge. Very interesting but I can see a big bunch of sour grapes occuring over judging.



I'd nominate Scottwax as a contestant, he would give it a good nudge if it were to go ahead....
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I think about this being to subjective, to judge. I also, see some people walking away with bruised EGO's.



Nominees just off the top of my head and in no particular order:

Scottwax

Anthony Orosco

Clean Dean

Jim

Intel

SqukyKln

Superior Shine

NYD

On the Spot

Good N Clean

Terry

Shine Shop

EBPcivic

TPGSR

Auto Care USA

jngrbrdman

Nick (from detail city)

Tintbandit from Tintdude.com (I think he may have tried more products than Scott and Anthony)



Eric
 
6cyl's_of_fury said:
WAY WAY too subjective to judge. Very interesting but I can see a big bunch of sour grapes occuring over judging.



I'd nominate Scottwax as a contestant, he would give it a good nudge if it were to go ahead....
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From the pics i seen from him i second that!
 
6cyl's_of_fury said:
WAY WAY too subjective to judge. Very interesting but I can see a big bunch of sour grapes occuring over judging.
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I agree it is. Plus every vehicle won't be equal. Some might have badly stained carpet but the stains might be just a lot of dirt that is easy to get out with an extractor. Some might have clean carpeting but have some bad stains in them that won't come out.



I'd say the only way to make it even somewhat fair would be to hire idendependent judges to inspect each vehicle before they're detailed and give them a score and then inspect them again after.



Wonder if they'd have a time limit on the time you got to spend too.



Plus someone in that thread said have everyone use the same products. I think everyone should bring their own stuff. I find part of detailing is making sure you have the best products that work well but also work for you. Some products I love but others hate.
 
Intel486 said:
Plus someone in that thread said have everyone use the same products. I think everyone should bring their own stuff. I find part of detailing is making sure you have the best products that work well but also work for you. Some products I love but others hate.
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Intel,

Though I agree, you should be able to bring your supplies. If a chemical manufacture sponsors the event, they would probably want their products used. By all entrants having the same supplies levels the playing field and see what you can do without your secret or magical products. To hedge one bet, one could find out who the sponsor is and start using the company's products.



I also agree about the car not being identical, thus making judging more difficult. Detailing the unknown helps seperate the hacks from the pros. Maybe each entrant should detail multiple vehicles for judging, because as said each vehicle is different and requires a different solution.



Eric
 
Eric, Thanks for your nomination. If the timing was right, I would be up for the challenge and I would definately wear my autopia shirt. Teams of autopians would be fun too :xyxthumbs
 
a contest like that would be fun, but it would be almost impossible to judge fairly.



Some cars would be in the perfect light condition while other would be under bad lighting. It would be impossible to get all the cars under the perfect lighting.



To judge that contest on detailing, all colors would have to be almost the same. You could not judge one person on a white car and another person on a black car.



I think it would be fun though
 
Im in. I agree with NY detailer as far as all cars will have to be the same color, perferably black with light grey interior. I believe that a contest like this should be judged by the auto detailers themselves. Example lets say there are 100 detailers from across the country. Each contestant gets 1 car and a certain time period to do it. When the time is up each detailer becomes a judge and then the real test begins. Judge for best finish, best interior etc. This is a great idea but I also believe each detailer must be allolwed to use their own products.
 
I'd be all for it but would absolutely not partiocipate unless I could use my own products. Ther would also have to be a comprehensive format to determine who actually did the best job of detailing a particular car in place. Like has been stated a few times before - I could see some sour grapes here.
 
I'd do it just for the fun of it!



Even the "worst" car done would be great, I could imagine.



I'm happy I wasn't in that short list, because I don't think I'm that great of a detailer. :)
 
ShineShop said:
I'd be all for it but would absolutely not partiocipate unless I could use my own products. Ther would also have to be a comprehensive format to determine who actually did the best job of detailing a particular car in place. Like has been stated a few times before - I could see some sour grapes here.
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Agreed. If I can't use the products I prefer, I wouldn't bother. It has taken me 10 years and a huge amount of product testing to get the results I like. EVen though it seems that Meguiars may be backing this from what I read and I love their 80 series products to prep the paint and have had very good results with NXT and #16, I also like other products to glaze and seal as well.



You would have to use identical cars. Mercedes black is different from Lexus black for example. BMW carpeting is a lot easier to clean then what passes for carpet in a late 90's Suburban.



Another problem is that appearance is so subjective. Some prefer paint that looks like a mirror and others like paint that looks deep enough to swim in. How do you resolve that? How about if one person gets a car with very light surface scratches and someone else gets stuck with one that has scratches into the base coat that cannot be totally eliminated?



The concept is great but I don't see how the actual event can start everyone on totally equal footing.



One thing for sure, I'd be willing to bet it would be an Autopian pro that would win. We have an amazingly talented group here.
 
Unless you can get hold of 50 cars in identical condition and color - I don't see how you could really judge the results.



One thing's for sure - there'd be some pretty nice looking cars at the end of it.
 
Well a quick "Thank You" to Eric for his nomination.........appreciate that:D



A detailing conteet is a neat idea but would be a very difficult one to put into action. Perhaps impossible if one thinks about it because it is so highly subjective, as many others have already pointed out.



Beauty is not an "absolute" but rather is subjective.....it is relative to each individual. One may fine an Aztek as ugly as sin while another loves the look. I would hate to be a judge at such an event because as a detailer myself I would feel I may demand too much but then again detailers would have to be judges because they know what to look for.



What then of all the bruised egos? Can you imagine being "runner up"...or come in fourth.or worse not even place at all and those results are announced on all sorts of web forums.....perhaps even radio and TV :scared Will anyone ever take your advice as solid again or how would this effect future clients:nixweiss



Perhaps the only workable plan would be to have teams of 2 to 4 detailers. Maybe one event might be judged on speed.....as in how fast can you wash, just wax, vacuum, wheels, tires and window a car? The criteria for winning would be no smears on windows, no debris in carpets, clean wheel wells and wheels and tires must have an evennly dressed surface (no streaks, smears or splotches) and the paint must have no drying marks and be free from runoff.



Another event will be a complete detail but again a timed event. Say 2 hours to do a complete 3 step process. A high speed rotary must be used on at least ONE step, a orbital on one step and one step by hand. They can be used in any order. The exterior will be judged not so much on swirl removal (perhaps excessive swirls can be a deduction in overall points) but rather "fit and finish". In other words is there product in the trim? Dust in the door jambs, splatter or product left on the paint finish?



Each interior would have 3 stains that 1) need to be identified correctly and then 2) treated and removed. So say for example lipstick, crayon, melted candle wax, coffee, candy etc.



there are problems with these suggestions also but perhaps it is a start.



Anthony
 
Yea, I could see problems with the leased cars being used. It would be better if w/e car manufacturer just took 50 new, right out of the factory, cars and set them up. Have a dealer "prep" them (:lol).



Basically thats the only way I can see the competition being fair. If the cars are all in different conditions, then a two hour limit for a full detail on one car may be a breeze but another car down the line may require alot more than that...
 
I would love to be there and watch these people go.Who cares who wins who cares whos the best who cares just to see the people work and the finished product.I NEVER compare my work to anybody elses It dosent interest me...............JUSY WANT MY GRATIFICATION OF A CLEAN DETAILED CAR
 
ALAN81 said:
I would love to be there and watch these people go.Who cares who wins who cares whos the best who cares just to see the people work and the finished product.I NEVER compare my work to anybody elses It dosent interest me...............JUSY WANT MY GRADAFACTION OF A CLEAN DETAILED CAR
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Is gradafaction a word, sir? :o
 
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