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I know with the current world situation many of us are concerned about our and our family's safety. I also know that we have to live our lives outside of fear.



My wife and I work for a large mulit-national banking firm with headquarters in Richmond, Va. My wife received the following email from a co-worker who is a friend of the orignator. Again, I am not one to pass out rumors, but I want to make sure everyone out there is safe and aware. If there are other rumor emails floating out there, be assured this one is very real. I ask you to follow your own idea in terms of forwarding it.



Here is the email



SJ



From: Stone, Amanda

Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 4:32 PM

To: Mckee, Shelly; Eanes, Laurie

Subject: FW: Don't go to Shopping Malls on 10/31/2001





-----Original Message-----



Hi All -



I think you all know that I don't send out hoaxes and don't do

the reactionary thing and send out anything that crosses my path.

This one, however, is a friend of a friend and I've given it enough credibility in my mind that I'm writing it up and sending it out to all of you.



My friend's friend was dating a guy from Afghanistan up until a month ago. She had a date with him around 9/6 and was stood up. She was understandably upset and went to his home to find it completely emptied. On 9/10, she received a letter from her boyfriend explaining that he wished he could tell her why he had left and that

he was sorry it had to be like that. The part worth mentioning is that he BEGGED her not to get on any commercial airlines on 9/11 and to not to

> > > go any malls on Halloween. As soon as everything happened on the11th, she called the FBI and has since turned over the letter. This is not an email that I've received and decided to pass

on. This came from a phone conversation with a long-time friend of mine last night.



I may be wrong, and I hope I am. However, with one of his warnings being correct and devastating, I'm not willing to take the chance on the second and wanted to make sure that people I cared about

had the same information that I did.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Laura Katsis

> > > >> > > Implementation Specialist

> > > >> > > 714/921-5424

> > >

> >
 
Although this is certainly a time for all of us to be more concerned for our security, this is an "e-mail virus"/urban legend that has been circulating recently. I heard it debunked on the radio this afternoon, and here are a several links as well:

http://chekware.com/hoax/Halloween_Mall_Warning.htm

The most recent incarnation appears to be a revised version of this one: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa102898.htm

And, finally, from www.snopes.com (probably one of the most well known urban legend sites on the web): http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/mallrisk.htm

Be careful, but beware of hysteria, as well . . .

Stay safe and sane,
Tort
 
I heard this today from a person that works at SWB and of course it was a co-worker once-removed who had this happen to them.



It's a hoax. Urban legend. Whatever...
 
3rd case now (said on 20/20) they've always had an anthrax vaccine, only available for the military however. I wonder how long it will take for the gov't to make it available to us civilians.
 
the govm't aint gonna give out that anthrax vaccine.....it's way too expensive and you have to get it over the course of a series of shots...1 every 4 mths..for 16 mths...similar to the hep b vaccine.....in the us there's like 10-15 cases of anthrax(pulmonary) every year...mostly with the people who deal with lots of livestock hides or hair products that come from the middle east.........they have to pay for the vaccin themselves...i dont no the $$ but its alot...



anyway....stay away from those natural hair brushes....had to make a joke...getting to serious.....
 
It is quite understandable that we could have concerns and even fears. It is important, however, to not <em class='bbc'>spread[/i] fear.

England was attacked by Hitler. Winston Churchill was the leader of England. Germany had an excellent military. Did Churchill believe that the German military was what should be feared? No. Winston Churchill said, when attacked by Hitler, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

99.99% of these urban legends are falsehoods. They simply are not true. And yet, they often seem to have credibility. They usually seem to have credibility because they are attributed to a seemingly reliable source . . . and, that reliable source is often presented as being close at hand, not far removed. I will give an example.

Several years ago I was at a sound mixing session for a Chuck Norris movie. The director of the picture was there. So were several other top professionals. One of them said that a well know actor (who I will not name) had a thing for inserting (censored) in a certain location in his body (details skipped). <em class='bbc'>Everyone in the room believed it.[/i] Why?

The fellow said that his sister had a roommate who was a nurse and this actor had been admitted to the hospital to remove the (censored) and the nurse had helped with the removal. Well, that sounds pretty reliable, yes?

The story was total BS. It was just a rumor.

How about the ones about thumbs being found in McDonalds burgers, etc? Just an exciting, controversial story that some like to pass around.

<strong class='bbc'>What the Terrorists Want[/b]

The terrorist's goal was not to destroy the WTC and kill 5,000 people. Their goal was to cause terror. The destruction of the WTC and the murder of the 5,000 was their chosen <em class='bbc'>means[/i] of attempting to create terror and fear.

The terrorist want us to then internalize that fear -- to take it into ourselves -- and then, in our fearful state, spread fear to others. They know that fear paralyzes. A paralyzed population is not very productive. A fearful people will postpone buying, so companies will lay-off workers, etc. And, the terrorists will have won!

What this shows is that only we can defeat ourselves. A handful of terrorist cannot conquer the US. They cannot do any significant physical damage (as a percentage). Without meaning to minimize the loss, the destruction of the WTC reduced the physical wealth of the country a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

The loss of life from the attack was horrendous. The gallantry of the firemen, police, and other heros who gave their lives, saving others will never be forgotten. A group of ordinary citizens -- the passengers of the third plane -- knowingly gave their lives to prevent the third assault. This is an act of greatness that will live in American history through the ages. Keeping their greatness in mind, and not meaning to lessen their honor, and not meaning to lessen the importance of each life lost -- on the subject of productivity, the fact of the matter is that the actual productive capability of the country is <strong class='bbc'>basically as strong as it was before we lost them.[/b]

Again, no lessening of the importance of these heroes is intended. It is simply that the real harm occurs when we, the living, pull-back, stop buying, cut out that trip or vacation, or, if we are managers, business owners, corp execs or advisors, we cut back on business plans. That causes far more destruction than the terrorists could ever do directly.

What is the goal of a terrorist? To terrorize a population and make it fearful. We should not help them with their work.

I encourage all of us, no matter what our position in life, to help calm the waters. Pass the message, "Do not do what the terrorists want. Do not help them with their mission to paralyze us with fear. Do not pass on rumors. If you occasionally feel fear, well, that might be understandable. But, do not pass it on. In fact, become an agent for <em class='bbc'>moving foward[/i] . Advocate expansion, not contraction. Advocate courage, not fear."
 
Very well said, Darbh. I live in a country that has had to deal with a terrorist threat for close to 20 years, with car bombs, suicide bombers, etc. being fairly common occurrences. We even had the head of state assassinated by a suicide bomber some years ago. So what do you do? Stay at home? Of course not - you take common sense precautions, but life has to go on. Otherwise, "they" have won
 
I know, I know:

- No sealant is permanent.
- Nothing replaces a good wax.
- Dealer add-ons are money-makers for the dealer.

But our dealer offering of a paint sealant ('ResistAll') comes with a five-year coverage for paint damage, and that makes it attractive even if they simply sprayed the surface with a can of air.

ResistAll might be useless as a sealant, and I'm okay with that. But is it worse than useless? Does it do any damage to the paint?
 
DougNew said:
I know, I know:

- No sealant is permanent.
- Nothing replaces a good wax.
- Dealer add-ons are money-makers for the dealer.

But our dealer offering of a paint sealant ('ResistAll') comes with a five-year coverage for paint damage, and that makes it attractive even if they simply sprayed the surface with a can of air.

ResistAll might be useless as a sealant, and I'm okay with that. But is it worse than useless? Does it do any damage to the paint?
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Is it a clearcoat? :devil:

I don't believe anything can last that long, but it must bond like crazy if it does.
 
Leadfootluke said:
I don't believe anything can last that long, but it must bond like crazy if it does.
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I don't believe it, either. But I am interested in the 'insurance' it comes with... as long as it doesn't damage my car.

Like a lot of these products, it's hard to find out what's in it, but my understanding is that it does actually bond to the paint, unlike, say, a Clearbra or Venture Shield film. That concerns me, but if it's not a problem, I'd leap at the chance to pay someone else to assume responsibility for tree sap and bird poop.

Here's their brochure.
 
'ResistAll' will not harm a paint surface, but it will hurt your wallet as its just a polymer sealant with a high price and a contract with so many conditions that their 'lifetime' warranty is worthless.

Learn detailing from experienced people and you'll save money and be proud of a job well done
 
TOGWT is spot on as usual.

My other worry would be, if they offer a 5-year warranty, why would they need to if its permanent ? And then if you need warranty work, where will this company be in 5 years ?

Everytime I go to a Dealership, doesnt matter which one, there is always a new permanent sealer brochure, that replaced the other one from a year ago or so..

Perhaps the people that sell/market/etc., these products come and go rather quickly and the product is then re-packaged and sold under another name?

I just dont know how this or any of those products will work with the constant amount of crap falling down from the sky, trees, etc., that lands on your paint and gets imbedded, and then needs to be removed, with a claybar, etc.. How does this affect this permanent product? Will it be less permanent?

Good luck with your project !
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
TOGWT is spot on as usual.
Everytime I go to a Dealership, doesnt matter which one, there is always a new permanent sealer brochure, that replaced the other one from a year ago or so.
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Good point.

I'm not dazzled by the product. I don't expect it to be permanent, and I don't expect it to substitute for regular care - that's what I meant by 'nothing replacing a good wax.' But the insurance is tempting.

Maybe not quite tempting enough. I sure wish I had a tree-free space to put my car, but I'll do my best to maintain it with good care.
 
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