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If i used p21s paintwork cleanser what would i use next. Should i just wax over it or should i use One grand omega glaze. Are these two basically the same product?



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If you want to use a sealant like Zaino or Klasse, give the car a wash right after you use the P21S to remove any oils left by it.



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If you go the carnauba route then I would throw on

Omega Glaze after P21s.



Then carnauba wax.



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P21s is a paint cleanser



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Omega is a glaze [ gives the shine ]
 
I would just slap on the p21s wax. Or the blitz wax which is just as good but i think paint cleanser is way better then omega glaze. Goes on smooth and just is a little better i think
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by TWOOD [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I would just slap on the p21s wax. Or the blitz wax which is just as good but i think paint cleanser is way better then omega glaze. Goes on smooth and just is a little better i think [/b]</blockquote>Paint cleansing lotions are chemical and mildly abrasive cleaners which often have filler content. Glazes are filler products which are applied and buffed before a coat of wax. I don't think it's fair to compare a PCL and a glaze.
 
After purcasing a bottle of Blackfire Wet Diamond a while back, I am finally getting around to using it soon. I have a couple questions before using it though since I am new. On my previous LSPs I have always used Poorboys Blue Polish prior, since it works well as a cleaner polish and a glaze for hiding any kind of lighter swirls. The Poorboys bottle states that it contains some carnuba in it. Since it does have some carnuba, will this keep the BFWD from bonding to the surface properly and greatly reduce its durability?

Also, the BFWD bottle says to work in sectiosn and then wipe the product. Is there any kind of negatives to letting the product sit on the surface longer before wiping it off, besides maybe it being harder to remove? Will letting it sit longer increase the durability of it at all?

I know that it is recommended to wait at least 8 hours before adding a second layer of BFWD, but what are the negatives of applying a second layer after wiping off the first? Is the durability signifigantly reduced of the first application when doing this?
 
I have used BFWD both ways (let sit and remove as you go). I did not see much difference. I suspect if you overapply it may be more difficult to remove later since BFWD hazes pretty quickly.
 
Blue Polish is a one step product which includes wax. I wouldn't risk a bonding issue by applying BFWD over it. BFWD will not adhere to wax. I would at least wipe it down with IPA/water solution prior to BFWD, or wash the car with CG Citrus Clear stripping dilution rate.
 
+1 for IPA wipe before applying. I apply very thin layer to the whole car by machine then remove all at once. I have read of people leaving it overnight before removing the excess and say it's just as easy. Definitely apply thin.

As for layering, the first layer should have time to cure. 8 hours may be longer than necessary, but applying the second coat too soon may compromise the first layer. A little wasted product is the only real problem. For my own cars I simply wait until after my first wash to apply second coat.
 
Mr. Gloss said:
Blue Polish is a one step product which includes wax. I wouldn't risk a bonding issue by applying BFWD over it. BFWD will not adhere to wax. I would at least wipe it down with IPA/water solution prior to BFWD, or wash the car with CG Citrus Clear stripping dilution rate.
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How about something like the P21 paiintwork cleaner prior to BFWD? From what I have seen it is not supposed to contain any waxes, but who knows on that.

Basically I am just looking for something that will clean the surface prior to applying it other than machine polishing or claying. I know I could use something like an IPA or Griots grage pre weax cleaner, but I'd like to find something that I could apply, wipe off, and go straight to the BFWD to save some time
 
theres also blackfire gloss enhancing polish. this is used as a pre wax cleaner and conditioner before applying bfwd... i have applied bfwd and had to leave it on for 3 hours in direct sun mid 90's heat and came back and it came off as easy as if i just applied it..
 
glfahlc said:
theres also blackfire gloss enhancing polish. this is used as a pre wax cleaner and conditioner before applying bfwd... i have applied bfwd and had to leave it on for 3 hours in direct sun mid 90's heat and came back and it came off as easy as if i just applied it..
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I read you can apply by hand or buffer if you choose to apply by buffer what color pad would you use and speed? Also if you choose by hand would what color pad would be best?
 
glfahlc said:
theres also blackfire gloss enhancing polish. this is used as a pre wax cleaner and conditioner before applying bfwd... i have applied bfwd and had to leave it on for 3 hours in direct sun mid 90's heat and came back and it came off as easy as if i just applied it..
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This is exactly what I am looking for, a non abrasive cleaner to use pre BFWD. Thanks, I'll have to get some of it now. I'm new to the Blackfire products, and didn't know it existed.

What kind of durability can I expect when using the Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish and Blackfire Wet Diamond? Does it come close to the Collinite waxes? I live in the hot and humid Southeast, which is kind of a killer on LSPs anyways, so I want to be able to get a solid 3-4 months if I can. Is there a signifigant increase in durability when applying a second layer of BFWD?


I haven't had a chance to really try my bottle of BFWD yet, but is this product really sensitive as far how thick or thin you apply it? I have used some LSP products, and if you don't apply them super thin or by machine, they will show haze and streaks for over application after 15 miuntes of being in the sun. Is this the case with BFWD? Also, is it OK to apply the product with a MF applicator by hand? Thanks
 
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