Alternatives to M105....sooo sick if the mess is creates

swan said:
Weren't some guys on here using M34 when using M105? Can't remember for sure, but I thought some were spraying it on the panel after they polished to help wipe the 105 away..
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That's how I do it.



Eh, not like everybody has to like the same stuff, and I just happen to like short work-times, but I really don't get the whole dusting thing :nixweiss I've gone through a *LOT* of M105 on some jobs, and it just wasn't a real dusty experience, not as bad as some 3M stuff I use. I'd guess that the dust ended up in my MFs, but it's not like the other vehicles in the shop got covered with it or anything like that.



I *really* don't get the sling issue though...OK, it's part of the learning curve with a rotary, but it shouldn't be happening with RO/DA machines :think: Maybe if you're using a lot of water/etc. to extend the work-time or something like that...



RaskyR1 said:
I tried Hyper Spray Compound this weekend with a PFW pad on the rotary. Only made a few passes but didn't notice any dust. It definitely has less cut than M105 though.
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Thanks for posting that, I'd been wondering. Doesn't sound like it'd be a viable M105 replacement for *me*, but most of my vehicles have hard clear.
 
Accumulator said:
That's how I do it.

I *really* don't get the sling issue though...OK, it's part of the learning curve with a rotary, but it shouldn't be happening with RO/DA machines :think: Maybe if you're using a lot of water/etc. to extend the work-time or something like that
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I'm willing to concede that my dust and sling issues are probably due to the fact that I'm using more product to somehow try to extend the working times. I definitely can see it being less messy when doing 1x1 squares, but that REALLY slows things down.
 
As I noted in another thread like this, back in the "old" days (3-4 years ago) when the heavy-hitter compounds were Power Gloss and Hi-Temp Extreme Cut, people were mixing the original Optimum Polish with them to cut down on the dusting and extend the working time. Does no one do this anymore, tried it with 105, or does the v.II OP not lend itself to this?
 
I think cutting 105 with Ultimate Compound would be the best scenario. The abrasives are similar and the finish may actually improve slightly and I doubt that you'd lose much cut.
 
I have put a drop of Optimum Polish II with M105 before and it helped some. For me here in Va, with all the humidity, 105 sometimes works flawless where other times it requires a little work, but is the "mess" you clean up afterwards worth the time it saves in steps with the finish, sure does. Everyone has ways of doing things, stick with what works for you.
 
muscleknight said:
Could you wash each panel with ONR after you finish polishing with M105? Keep a bucket of ONR on-hand.
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If it was as simple as that, but the dust seems to get into hard to clean places, even door jamb and body panel gaps I can deal with, what drives me nuts is places like vents (especially the ones in the cowl area), in tiny gaps like on wiper blades, in window seems (so that after you roll the window up and down, you get a surprise).



Barry Theal said:
Linsead oil will give you a lot more working time.
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Interesting, do you use this on a regular basis?



Got_Leather said:
I have put a drop of Optimum Polish II with M105 before and it helped some. For me here in Va, with all the humidity, 105 sometimes works flawless where other times it requires a little work, but is the "mess" you clean up afterwards worth the time it saves in steps with the finish, sure does. Everyone has ways of doing things, stick with what works for you.
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Yeah, DJ, sometimes it works OK, last weekend was pretty dry and hot. My worst day with the 105 yet.
 
RaskyR1 said:
I tried Hyper Spray Compound this weekend with a PFW pad on the rotary. Only made a few passes but didn't notice any dust. It definitely has less cut than M105 though.
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Chad,

I spoke to Dr. G at Optimum yesterday, and he told me that the only pad that he doesn't like the way the Hyper Compound Spray works with are the Foamed Wool Pads. He said they work very well with the H2O pads, and have equal or better cut then 105. I have a detail comming up, and I think I am going to try the spray with a Surbuf pad. I will let you know how it turns out.
 
bmw5541 said:
Chad,

I spoke to Dr. G at Optimum yesterday, and he told me that the only pad that he doesn't like the way the Hyper Compound Spray works with are the Foamed Wool Pads. He said they work very well with the H2O pads, and have equal or better cut then 105. I have a detail comming up, and I think I am going to try the spray with a Surbuf pad. I will let you know how it turns out.
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Thanks for the info! :)



I just got some Surbuf pads in last week as well and have been wanting to try them out. I have a black CTS-V this weekend that is scheduled for a 2-step (very trashed though). maybe I'll try out the new Optimum twins with the Hydro pads. ;)
 
Barry Theal said:
Linsead oil will give you a lot more working time.
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Interesting. I have heard guys use a little mineral oil to increase work time, this is the first I have heard of using Linsead oil. Does it take very much to get the increased work time?
 
David Fermani said:
Usually 3-4 I'd say which is about 1/2 as many than via DA. Keep them primed and clean and it will help.
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So you are using 6-8 pads with 105 on a DA?



Seems like alot...but maybe I am using too few pads when I polish via PC. Would be good to know. Thanks!
 
I don't know how helpful I'm going to be--because I'm a total noob--but when I started using my Flex a couple days back, I thought I sprayed too much QD on my pad--but I put the 105 on to prime the pad anyways--and there was less dusting--also I should mention that cleanup was significant'y less clean up when I covered up the windshields and stuff with newspapers and stuff like that...just a though.
 
RogueM3 said:
So you are using 6-8 pads with 105 on a DA?



Seems like alot...but maybe I am using too few pads when I polish via PC. Would be good to know. Thanks!
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I too use a *LOT* of pads when doing significant work with M105 via RO/DA. I used considerably more than 6-8 doing the Yukon DXL, but then that's a pretty big vehicle.
 
Don't have much experience polishing OE paint. But on fresh paint, lower rpm's (900 - 1200) seems to be the sweet spot.

And i like to cut it with Mark V MV350 or prime the pad first with MV350. Kinda go back and forth between these two products.

It all depends on the size of the job...
 
RogueM3 said:
So you are using 6-8 pads with 105 on a DA?



Seems like alot...but maybe I am using too few pads when I polish via PC. Would be good to know. Thanks!
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Yup - nothing cuts quite like a fresh pad when working M105/DA. The more you use them during a detail, the more it gets embedded with dead paint, spent product and stops cutting and creates marring.





On a side note, tried Opt Spray Compound this last weekend again via rotary/grey wool this time and it cuts very good, has a long work time and cleans up easy. The negative aspect is that it dusts like crazy and leaves pretty deep buffer swirls that IMHO will require 2 additional polishing steps to refine. Super easy to use product. Make me enjoy using my Rotary again and I'll definately keep working with it.:up:up:up:up:up
 
I think the next polish I will use is the G|Techniq P1. They say it can go from 1000 grit to 95% correction with a wool pad. Then P1 with a foam pad will take it the rest of the way.



 
David Fermani said:
On a side note, tried Opt Spray Compound this last weekend again via rotary/grey wool this time and it cuts very good, has a long work time and cleans up easy. The negative aspect is that it dusts like crazy and leaves pretty deep buffer swirls that IMHO will require 2 additional polishing steps to refine. Super easy to use product. Make me enjoy using my Rotary again and I'll definately keep working with it.:up:up:up:up:up
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The dusting and swirling you experienced definitely seem to contradict the main selling points of Optimum's new spray compound: doesn't dust and is based on SMAT which should require few following steps. So I have to ask what makes this stuff so special?
 
I've been messing with the Opt sprays and have found they don't produce much dust at all. Almost none. I did find the cut to be less than 105; most like say IP or something... it finished down well, about as good as 105 ime (maybe a bit worse), but it required a lot more working time. If I stopped too early it was a mess. I used it on PFW, black wool, and an LC Orange, all via rotary.



I wonder if the stuff you got was bad, David? Or maybe not shaken enough (it separated in the bottle for me, had to shake like nuts).
 
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