AIO/SG not very effective at masking swirls etc?

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Rai

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Was nearly ready to go down the AIO/SG topped with P21s path (as i love P21s GEPC and wax ...just wish it would last longer) ...but have seen a few posts that seem to indicate that Klasse is not effective at hiding minor swirls etc. ie surface prep is 'extremely' tricky?



True or not?
 
The intent of the Klasse twins is to be pure, non filling last step products. Their benefits are high reflectivity and longevity. Why would you want to fill swirls? In time time they're only going to come back.
 
Sealants such as Klasse SG, Zaino, etc., typically don't hide or remove swirls. In fact, with a better reflection on the surface, swirls can become more apparent.



AIO is a cleaner, and typically doesn't remove swirls either (although some here have removed swirls with AIO).



Swirls are actually very fine scratches in the paint, and to completely remove them, it is best to polish before applying the cleaner/sealant. There are several polishes available from 3M, Meguiars, Mezerna, 1Z, Griot's Garage, etc.; and they work very well for this purpose.



Proper preparation is the most important thing for a good result. Without proper prep work, it doesn't matter whose sealant you apply, it's not going to look good.



Imagine painting a car without proper prep work. You'll see every spec of dirt, every old chip/dent that was there, fisheyes from where oil remained, etc. These 'problems' actually wouldn't be problems with the paint, but rather would be problems of poor preparation.



Without proper preparation before applying the Klasse, you won't get the best results possible - though admittedly, you may get results that are acceptable to you - and this is really what counts in the end.
 
true but i'm realistic that even using IP/FPII prior is not going to remove all marring.



...i have seen a trend here of people saying zaino has better filling properties... just the price that puts me off.
 
Rai said:
true but i'm realistic that even using IP/FPII prior is not going to remove all marring.



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If you use those product correctly with the right materials/ machine they sure will remove the marring. Don't ask how long though if not using a rotary.
 
bill... using a random orbital machine with farecla cutting foam with the menzerna stuff. wouldn't trust myself with a rotary.



here's a recent post on another site of what i've done...



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i wouldn't mind if i got the same results with AIO/SG/P21s wax as I do with P21s GEPC/wax.
 
Hmmm this is the first Im hearing of a Farecla pad being used on a DA.



Audi paint is a major PITA. I've been using the 1z polishes, followed with an alcohol or prepall wipe down after each pass then finished with FP. It really can take an extraordianry amount of time say 45 mins straight on one deeper defect! :eek:



You're not getting the same look as you do with the GEPC and wax because GEPC is more of a glaze.
 
well haven't actually tried AIO/SG yet... just researching what will give me the results i am after (ie. something similar to the p21s look i currently have and love). just after a little more longevity really.
 
ps. i hear u on the amount of time it takes to remove single defects on the audi factory paint!
 
You will get mediocre results at best if you don't prep the paint properly. Proper preparation involves removing any swirls, scratches, embedded dirt, and defects to bring out the true shine and reflections.



Here's a post to work I did on a black car with proper preparation followed by Klasse. As you can see from the pictures, the greater the effort you put into your paint prep, the better your results will be.



Only the best preparation will yield the best results...
 
Actually I have observed Klasse SG filling in and hiding very fine and shallow swirls, but none of the deeper ones that are more visible from farther away. Most likely nothing would fill or hide those terribly well.



Better to remove than hide, of course, as already mentioned. :)
 
ok thanks guys.



i understand the importance of proper preparation... my paint is always mirror-like before i seal it. If she can just look like this but last longer than a few washes i'll be wrapped:





(process was wash, clay, IP, FPII, GEPC, P21s wax... next time after polishing stages i am going to try AIO, SG, P21s wax)

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Rai said:
ok thanks guys.



i understand the importance of proper preparation... my paint is always mirror-like before i seal it. If she can just look like this but last longer than a few washes i'll be wrapped:





(process was wash, clay, IP, FPII, GEPC, P21s wax... next time after polishing stages i am going to try AIO, SG, P21s wax)
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If the surface is perfect and this only lasting a couple of washes, maybe the problem is the wash process. What is your wash process? What type of environmental factors is the car exposed to?



Eric
 
Yeah, this has me wondering about the wash/dry regimen as well. I hardly ever have to polish my vehicles; once I get the marring out it takes a LOOOONG time for me to get enough new marring that I have to polish. Having to polish the whole vehicle more than once a year or so means something's up. Don't intend for that to sound all :nono or anything...



Maybe check out the thread on my Non-marring Wash Technique
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, this has me wondering about the wash/dry regimen as well. I hardly ever have to polish my vehicles; once I get the marring out it takes a LOOOONG time for me to get enough new marring that I have to polish. Having to polish the whole vehicle more than once a year or so means something's up. Don't intend for that to sound all :nono or anything...



Maybe check out the thread on my Non-marring Wash Technique
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Accumulator,

I agree once the car is perfect the is really no need to polish or clay more than once a year. Once a year to remove minor marring, cobwebbing, minor oxidation and bond contamination (with clay of course). A slick car wash (which is strong enough to clean and is mild enough not to strip wax), quality and clean mitts and quality and clean towels will reduce the risk of wash/dry induced marring.



Eric
 
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