85rd least cut polish available?

Come on... who in there right mind would pay $1100 for a wax? Sorry, I'm not going to buy the hype.



To answer your question, I compared Zymol Concours to Blitz and Souveran. Blitz is a better wax than Zymol Concours, and it costs $15. Concours is $120!!!



Marketing is one thing, but Zymol flat out lies. They claim 100% natural and no solvents. B.S.! It's loaded with mineral spirits. Not that mineral spirits is bad... they just lie about it.



I remember asking Chuck Bennett (Zymol owner) why they switched manufacturing. He had the nerve to tell me that their products were being made by a pharmeceutical company. Give me a break (I didn't know TW made drugs). There isn't a pharmeceutical company in the world that would allow car care chemicals near machines that make drugs.



Sorry to rain on your parade... I just don't like the company.



db
 
Based on comments on here, it sounds like Zymol really knows how to market their wax. The only problem is, users of Zymol don't have many good things to say about it, especially for the cost. I even had a local station on the news state that the Zymol Cleaner wax was the best wax they ever used. Too bad a day later all of the protection and shine is gone. Sounds great on paper, just does not seem to produce 1,000 dollar results on your car.
 
yeah, I really doubt anyone ever buy a $1000 wax....look at the packaging they must spent a lot of money making it (the box) ;)
 
Zymol products are indeed all hype. There waxes are overpriced, and are a PIA to use. IMO Pinnacle waxes are better, are easy to use, and you don't have to take out a loan to buy them. Don't fall for the hype, Zymol is not worth the money.
 
Just to clarify, pharmaceutical companies (I am a clinician within this industry) DO make all kinds of chemicals including car care products. That is because many pharmaceutical companies are actually chemical companies with pharmaceutical divisions.



BTW, I dont see how a pharmaceutical company making detailing products makes it any better than anyone else making it. It all depends on industry regulations for quality control, GMP, etc.
 
I did try Zymol on a recommendation from the service manager at the BMW dealer... the offer sample kits with their waxes for $300 with 3 4oz cans so It was not so bad.



Zymol shines a lot, but after coming to this forum and learning from David, BradB, Beau, Detailking and many others but specially Ketch (Old Grumpy) I ralized (or rationalized) that there is a fundamental flaw in using pure caranuba as better protection than polymers... There is NOTHING natural about car paint.



Good Polymer products are "cusins" to car paint and are engineered to work on paint... so now I use my zymol to add Pop to Klasse and as a good excuse to "caress" my car every 6 weeks.



I would not recommend buying Zymol, there are products that produce equivalent results at a much lower price.



Here is Ron's Friend... as a tribute to a cool Grumpy guy.

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I found that sampler kit for $180. It has the vintage, destiny, and atlantique.



How do they perform? How is the application, I know it is a PIA, but do you get used to it.



I might try that sampler kit in the future once I get my car and house.



Jason

PS. In love with my Souveran.
 
Jason: They work ok... you have to apply by hand so it takes a long time, not much in the durability side... definitevly something for your own car or charge a premium to apply it.



I have used the Vintage as a topper to Klasse and it shines beautifly for 2 to 3 weeks on a newer car.



I will move on to Blitz or Souveran once the Zymol is depleated, maybe a couple of years, because it goes a long way, but IMHO it is not worth the extra money.
 
I know a couple polishes that have less cut then 85rd, but this doesn't matter as the difference is more in theory then application. However 85rd is one of the finest finishing polishes in the world.

It works great with a Flex. Keep in mind that Menzerna's formulas are designed for the OEM plant where DA polishers are used more frequently then rotary polishers.
 
Roadrunner said:
I tried 85rd one time with a Flex, it seemed to take FOR-EV-ER to break down.

I think it's designed to use with a rotary, like all Menzerna's stuff.
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What is forever in terms of passes? It seemed to ok to me but I guess it depends on what you are used to. M105/M205 work faster.
 
I haven't used 85RD, but I thought FPII had even less cut and broke down faster. Two slow passes at speed 6 with the Flex breaks down FPII pretty well in my experience.
 
th0001 said:


It works great with a Flex. Keep in mind that Menzerna's formulas are designed for the OEM plant where DA polishers are used more frequently then rotary polishers.
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with the 3401, would u need to be at speed 5 or 6 to properly break down the abrasives when final polishing with 85rd?
 
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