Can anyone with more than 5 coats of Klasse on a WHITE car help me out?

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William420

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I have 2 coats of SG on a white car (+ 1 AIO). I kind of like the way it looks because the paint has a coated look like candy; however, it’s missing some glossiness I used to see when the car had 11 coats of BF. The car used to glow but now just looks very white/clean and smooth. Can someone confirm whether additional coats (say 3-8 more coats) will bring out the shine on a white car? I will NOT use carnauba topper, so if Klasse cannot shine well without the help of carnauba, regardless the number of coats I apply, then I might as well save myself some time and strip everything off and go with another system. I would like to stay with Klasse because the car is easier to wash clean ever since I made the switch, and I don’t mind spending the time putting more layers on, but I guess I’m looking for some reassurance that I’m not wasting my time.

Again, my question is specifically on a WHITE car. I’ve seen some pics of darker color cars with Klasse and they look gorgeous! Thanks in advance for any help!

C240 (Chris) – Are you still around? How does your car look now? How many coats do you have?

Here's how it looks like now:


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Jngrbrdman should be able to help out he went from K to BF on a white car. Also 31st330 went from Meguiar’s Gold (?) to Z on his white car and seemed pretty happy. I’ve tried K, BF & Z but only tried BF and K on white so far. I got up to about 4 coats of SG on the white car and BF looked better IMHO. It’s hard to beat the way Blackfire looks initially but it just doesn’t seem to last very long at all.



Zaino might the ticket for your white car, it does have lot’s of gloss along with durability and slickness.





SJS
 
Have you tried or thought about putting BF over the KSG? That might help you achieve your goal without having to put carnuba over the KSG. My car is black with KSG so I can't speak from experience with white paint but I thought I'd offer a suggestion.
 
I would recommend testing BF's harshness and abrasiveness before putting it over Klasse as it could possibly strip some or all of the KSG. Just an idea though . . . why not Zaino if you don't have any more BF?
 
Klasse makes a white car bright and reflective. After over 15 coats of SG I still never got a glow out of it. The glow came when I started applying carnuba. That was when I really started looking good. There wasn't much difference between coat 10 and coat 15 on the SG so I would stop before 10 coats. 5 should be enough.

Why won't you put carnuba on it? It really makes the car look good. If you want a shine like Klasse and a glow like carnuba then get some Blackfire. This picture is my wife's car with only one coat of the Blackfire system on it.
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If you want that wet carnuba depth look but don't want to use carnuba, then you should probably stick with the Blackfire.

Do you notice any less dust attraction since you switched to Blackfire?
 
On my white car, the silver one to, I use one coat AIO, 4 coats SG, and top it with Souveran. I think the Souveran gives it that little extra sparkle. And the SG lasts for months to I go back over the car with Souveran every 4 or 5 weeks and it looks great. And a touch up coat of Souveran is very, very easy.
 
SJ Sharkie - Yes, I had BF on the car previously, and I can agree BF looks a little better.



v85097 - Actually I never thought about putting BF over KSG. If I decide to do this then I would rather just strip Klasse off and go back to BF, because at coat#11 & Z7 wash, I didn't really have durability issue with BF anymore .



PuterJustin - Actually I do have a lot more BF left, and even more Z supplies, but I am already done with Zaino and BF and got satisfactory results out of them, so it's time to move on to another system, hence -> KLASSE. Sometimes you just gotta move on right? lol. Did you notice Intermezzo is now doing something weird and different lately as well? :D



Jngrbrdman - The reason I hesistated on Carnauba topper is this: I am planning to lay down 10 coats as first step and have 3 choices here: A) 10 coats of SG. SG lasts apprx 6 Months (B) 10 coats of carnauba. Carnaua last few weeks. C) Mix them - 5 Coats SG & 5 COATS Carnauba, or whatever ratio. The first choice sounds more logical to me. It doesn't make sense to me at all topping something less durable on the top when I can use all that time to top it with a more durable sealant (my white car never sees garage). And I was trying to proof that massive layering on SG will produce just as good result as carnauba. However, base on my own observation now, and your statement that you couldn't get a glow out of 15 coats, I will stop wasting my time. Feel a little disappointed because I believe I can get the kind of shine I want if I put down 15 coats of Zaino. Well, I know the concensus here is Z looks better on light color cars, but I guess I had to be the stupid one and go the opposite route. lol.



As much as I hate to, I will change my plan and lay down 5 coats SG then use Souveran as topper. If this looks good (I'm pretty sure it will) then I will continue putting down more layers of Souveran for half a year, then DAWN wash it, then add 5 more SG, then Souveran again.



About dust attraction, I've been studying it. When I had BF on the car, every week there's big amount of dusts on the rear bumper. I took picture of it for future comparison with Klasse; but unfortuantelly the car saw some rain in the last 2 weeks so I couldn't get an accurate comparison. Maybe next week I can compare and get a "after" pic. I firmly believe there's less dust attraction because the car was noticebly easier to wash ever since the switch.



James A. - I would agree touch up coat of Souveran is very, very easy; but I really think SG is almost just as easy to use as long as you use a damp MF towel for removal. It is so watery and I can apply it so fast! Probably even faster than Souveran



Wow. Sorry how did my post get this long. THANKS ALL FOR THE ADVICE. It is very helpful! :bow



One last remark - There's this parking space outside my office I always park at, right under fluorescent light. The car used to glow at night when I had BF, but right now just looks very clean and a little dull. Also I notice the metallics are less noticeable. This is not surprising to me because it's my understanding that Klasse tint the finish a little.
 
My IS300 rear bumper is always the first thing to get dusty/dirty. weird. My car shines awesome with 5 coats of SG.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by William420 [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>SJ Sharkie - Yes, I had BF on the car previously, and I can agree BF looks a little better. [/b]</blockquote>W420, How did you strip the BF ? I tried 1xAIO on the hood of the Leon and just made a mess ... I'm thinking off Dawn/Clay/2xAIO/SG! and eventually Blitz ...

I know I complain about BF loosing slickness quite quickly but it did stand quite well vs. the 1xAIO ... (I lost count how many BF layers are there b3fore topping with 2xBlitz).
The switch to Klasse on the Altima was painless, the Leon I'm afraid will be a different story ... it is hard work but someone has to do it ;)
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by amgtorre [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>W420, How did you strip the BF ? I tried 1xAIO on the hood of the Leon and just made a mess ... I'm thinking off Dawn/Clay/2xAIO/SG! and eventually Blitz ...

I know I complain about BF loosing slickness quite quickly but it did stand quite well vs. the 1xAIO ... (I lost count how many BF layers are there b3fore topping with 2xBlitz).
The switch to Klasse on the Altima was painless, the Leon I'm afraid will be a different story ... it is hard work but someone has to do it [/b]</blockquote>
Made a mess? :confused: Hm.... FYI, Unlike SG, AIO can be wiped off immediately. I just applied 1xAIO with a little pressure on a MF applicator to strip BF without any mess! I didn't even bother with DAWN.

I am getting anxious as well and most likely will be topping Souveran on 3rd coat of SG this weekend and see how it looks.

Hey, post some pics of the Leon after you are done with the Klasse process. :xyxthumbs
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by William420 [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Sometimes you just gotta move on right? lol. Did you notice Intermezzo is now doing something weird and different lately as well? :D [/b]</blockquote>
LOL! I just wanna try out the techniques my uncle was using back in his detailing heyday, which was definitely before today's advanced polymer sealants and before Klasse was in vogue. My uncle, BTW, was a car nut and introduced me to the wonderful world of polishing & waxing a car.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by William420 [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>James A. - I would agree touch up coat of Souveran is very, very easy; but I really think SG is almost just as easy to use as long as you use a damp MF towel for removal. It is so watery and I can apply it so fast! Probably even faster than Souveran
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I fully retract this comment I made earlier.

Tonight it was sprinkling a little, so I couldn't wash my black car and do the usual routing work of "Friday Midnight Zaino layering". I was smoking in the garage, one after another, bored, nothing to do, and really don't feel right not waxing car on Friday midnight, and I don't want to go out (I think I'm getting old). Then a thought poped into my mind. Why not try Souveran in the garage? The white car I was referring to in this thread is too dirty, and as planned I will not start with Souveran until 10 coats of SG, so I had my eyes on the other Silverish/Gray car sitting in the garage. I just got the car back from dealer today and it doesn't look very dirty, so I quickly QD the whole car and gave its 2nd coat of SG, then grabbed my Souveran.

I must have done it all wrong last time I tried it several months ago. I was treating it like Zaino, and rubbed a very very little bit of wax on the applicator, and tried very hard to use that very little amount to apply and get thin coats, and that took a lot of my time to apply, so my last experience with Souveran was not pleasant. This time I decided to use more amount, and as soon as I started working on the first panel I was amazed! The applicator glided over the paint so quickly that it almost fell off from my hand. I was able to wax the whole car in 1/2 of the time (no, maybe 1/3rd of the time) I did with SG. Souveran is definitely something I do not mind applying after every single wash. Such a time saver. Now I just gotta wait until sunrise to pull out the car and study how the car looks (it was 1AM when I did this, so couldn't really tell how the car shine).

Not sure why I'm posting all these... Well, I guess it's raining and I don't get to Zainoing, so here I'm sitting here nothing to do besides posting what I just did. LOL.

Interm - Not sure how your new wax/glaze system is going to work out, but I'll bet that it's gonna save you some time. :cool:
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by William420 [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Interm - Not sure how your new wax/glaze system is going to work out, but I'll bet that it's gonna save you some time. :cool: [/b]</blockquote>
Although I do like how the car looks, I can say without a doubt that adding a layer of Zaino or KSG every once in a while is much easier than the glaze + carnauba routine. The glaze step really gives your car a deep wet shine, but I found that step very difficult.

I agree with you about Souveran. It's very easy to apply and remove. So is P21S.
 
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