Permanent Coatings?

Opti-Coat is as permanent as the paint is itself...plenty of long term testing out there to back it up. Another plus for OC is that you can use cleaners to remove tar and other stuff that sticks to the paint without compromising the coating. A lot of the long term glass coatings can be affected by certain cleaners.

Trouble, OC is what you're looking for. ;)
 
RaskyR1 said:
Opti-Coat is as permanent as the paint is itself...plenty of long term testing out there to back it up. Another plus for OC is that you can use cleaners to remove tar and other stuff that sticks to the paint without compromising the coating. A lot of the long term glass coatings can be affected by certain cleaners.

Trouble, OC is what you're looking for. ;)
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I agree. Opticoat is better than anything out there. The other coatings are a couple steps behind. :D
 
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Reflectiveauto said:
Why does OC give 5 year warrantees if it only lasted 2 years?
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Its all about the maintance after the OC detail. Im sorry I dont buy into the OC craze when it cant be be proven. All the warranty is for is more of a money making oppertuninty for the detailer and the coating company. Nothing wrong with making money cuz that is what I do but I dont do it on hopes and dreams that it will never need to be maintained cuz it will...but why give it only a 5 yr Warranty when the OC Reps on the forums are saying its a permanent coating...why just give it a life time warranty....because they know its not permanent coating. Can OC last 5 yrs? Im sure it can again with proper maintance and a refresher coating to layer it up.
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arack said:
I agree. Opticoat is better than anything out there. The other coatings are a couple steps behind. :D
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I have disagree....I have seen nothing in person that proves OC is the best out there. I would not put that junk on my customers cars even though some have asked me too.
 
RaskyR1 said:
Opti-Coat is as permanent as the paint is itself...plenty of long term testing out there to back it up. Another plus for OC is that you can use cleaners to remove tar and other stuff that sticks to the paint without compromising the coating. A lot of the long term glass coatings can be affected by certain cleaners.

Trouble, OC is what you're looking for. ;)
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Paint is not perament in anyways....when the clear coat fails the paint will fail soon afterwards....I thought there were detailers on here...where do u come with up with these thoughts?
 
zoomzoom mazda5 said:
To the OP, all vehicles have a permanent coating from the factory ( Primer, Paint and Clear Coat ) the thing is trying to maintain them with proper car care products to help them along their life span. All the products that the Autopia car Store has will help them last and keep them shiny.
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If something is Permanent it does not need to be maintained. If something is supposed to be maintained cuz its permanent then its really not permanent because if its not maintained correctlly it will fail...Fail=Not Permanent
 
PiPUK said:
Cquartz coatings are presently not considered permanent, just long life - so it is not what the OP is looking for. OC is the only one on the detailing scene which is presently available. Is it actually permanent and can you prove it - yes and this has been done. Does the hydrophobic behaviour persist the same throughout - no. This does not mean it has gone.

There are other manufacturers who claim similarly - their products are super long lasting but the appearance and water behaviour will disappear with time, but the product remains never the less. If someone claims this, you are right to be extremely suspicious! Demand some proof of the claim! I believe Optimum have done so, mostly the others go very quiet at this point.
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Well if the Hydrophobic ability does not persist after some time then dirt and other contaminates will attach themselves to the paint and damage the coating overtime. I will pick a true long term coating over a over hyped and not proven permanent coating any day of the week. I understand the reasoning of maintance for my customers cars specially when I have a coating on theirs because to maintain them is to keep them looking the best and keeping the protection upto par up here in the NW in WA.st. If a coating loses its water protection then its a worthless coating since dirt and contamination will settle on the coating and leave swirls and RIDS overtime.
 
Here is a thread (It's a LONG read on AG) OC vs. Cquartz coating with a A vs.B coating debate.
Although it is VERY lengthy (and heated at times) there is a TON of information worth reading.

Here are some of the current coating players...
OC & OG, CQ & CQ Finest & the recent entry in the field Nanoskin Mega Trend Inorganic Coating

I have used all but the new Nanoskin Entry...
I personally like the "look" and "feel" of the two CQuartz products better than Optimum OC/OG.
I use Reload as a QD for CQ. If you're a "beading" fan I think you can also use Hydro2 Touchless

If you're doing a truck fleet here's a thought...put OC on the roof & CQ on the hood and the sides.
I've done this coating "combo" a few times. Why? I don't care about the look & feel of a truck roof.

IMHO "Beading" is FUN to watch. "Beading" is not a true "measure" of LSP protection or durability.

Again, these are just my thoughts.

Now on to Permanent.
For those of you with wives you'll appreciate this. My wife went to the Salon and got her hair done.
The permanent she got on her head set me back over $350! It should have been called a temporary.
 
Merlin said:
Here is a thread (It's a LONG read on AG) OC vs. Cquartz coating with a A vs.B coating debate.
Although it is VERY lengthy (and heated at times) there is a TON of information worth reading.

Here are some of the current coating players...
OC & OG, CQ & CQ Finest & the recent entry in the field Nanoskin Mega Trend Inorganic Coating

I have used all but the new Nanoskin Entry...
I personally like the "look" and "feel" of the two CQuartz products better than Optimum OC/OG.
I use Reload as a QD for CQ. If you're a "beading" fan I think you can also use Hydro2 Touchless

If you're doing a truck fleet here's a thought...put OC on the roof & CQ on the hood and the sides.
I've done this coating "combo" a few times. Why? I don't care about the look & feel of a truck roof.

IMHO "Beading" is FUN to watch. "Beading" is not a true "measure" of LSP protection or durability.

Again, these are just my thoughts.

Now on to Permanent.
For those of you with wives you'll appreciate this. My wife went to the Salon and got her hair done.
The permanent she got on her head set me back over $350! It should have been called a temporary.
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Good info Merlin. Thanks :bigups
 
Reflectiveauto said:
Well if the Hydrophobic ability does not persist after some time then dirt and other contaminates will attach themselves to the paint and damage the coating overtime. I will pick a true long term coating over a over hyped and not proven permanent coating any day of the week. I understand the reasoning of maintance for my customers cars specially when I have a coating on theirs because to maintain them is to keep them looking the best and keeping the protection upto par up here in the NW in WA.st. If a coating loses its water protection then its a worthless coating since dirt and contamination will settle on the coating and leave swirls and RIDS overtime.
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As others have said, no other product really offers more than OC. By your logic, this would seem to suggest that every product on the market is worthless.

You have mistaken water repellency for protection. Repelling water is great but this is not self cleaning. Self cleaning is in fact the absolute opposite. Ideal self-cleaning coatings have zero water repellency. Such coatings work by water being strongly attracted to the surface. As such, water will get 'between' soiling and the surface and thus it washes away easily. This isn't something open to debate, that is simply how it works. Water repellent finishes are actually 'difficult to dirty', not so much 'easy to clean'. Dirt is typically suspended in water and because water does not stick, the dirt is inhibited likewise. Unfortunately, when the dirt does stick or when you get air borne oily soils (for instance exhaust gases), the water is unable to wet the surface effectively so the surface actually becomes more difficult to clean! Unfortunately users love beads and a self cleaning surface will simply not provide this. Additionally, it is a lot harder to make durable and strongly hydrophillic (self cleaning) surfaces. Between these two and the fact that most advanced detailing brands are a lot less advanced than they claim, such self cleaning finishes are not really available to automotive sectors.

My claim to knowledge is not that I am with a detailing brand working on marketing, rather I formulate and manufacture products, in-house, which are routinely wholesaled to a number of the detailing brands on the market - which hundreds of detailers, worldwide, now use.
 
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