Nano Spray Coatings: Permanon vs. C2 vs. Reload

[CEE DOG]

Nano Spray Coatings: Permanon vs. C2 vs. Reload

About 4 months ago I recoated half of this test panel with coatings after using it for rotary training. So the test panel had 1/4 of it with CQ, 1/4 of it with OC and the other half with polymer sealants.

This was how it looked this morning before I got started.

After sitting for a few months



I washed the last few months of dust off and went over it real quick with 205/tangerine pad and then 85RD/crimson pad on my Flex PE-14. It was then thoroughly stripped of any oils, etc.



From Left to Right I applied as follows:

Reload over CQuartz
Permanon Platinum (10% Dilution) over CQuartz
Permanon Platinum (10% Dilution) over OptiCoat
Reload over OptiCoat
Gtechnique C2 (neat)
Gtechnique C2 (10% Dilution)
Reload (neat)
Permanon Platinum (10% Dilution) –Top half buffed off with towel / Bottom half blown of with MB
Permanon Platinum (neat)
Duragloss Aquawax
Dodo Juice Red Mist

Video: Timeline & Application

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After that I placed the panel in the sun for the day.





Just before the evening thunderstorms came I setup the video camera and created the first in a series of tests. This first test would be the sheeting test.


Video: Test #1 (Sheeting)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig0RTPPYZhs]Nano sprays Test 1.wmv - YouTube[/ame]


Additionally I sprayed the panel with a finer mist than was used for sheeting and took some beading photos. I have some thoughts on which are more spherically held off the paint vs. domed but I’ll let you judge for yourself.

Gtechniq C2




CarPro Reload



Permanon Platinum



Methods of Application:

Other methods of application are obviously available and I could get into this deeper but that’s for another time. This is a comparison so basically a summary and generalization will have to do here. There are further tips that should be considered if you use these products.

CarPro Reload:

1.- Spray sparingly across section (Approximately 1 spray per 3 sq. ft.)
2.- Wipe and spread immediately
3.- Flip towel and buff off immediately

Gtechniq C2:

1.- Spray across section
2.- Wipe and spread immediately
3.- Flip towel and buff off. (Use harder pressure for higher gloss)
4.- Note: Can also be diluted and applied like Permanon (shown below) but is considered a booster when applied this way according to Gtechniq

Permanon Platinum:

1.- Dilute 10% Permanon to 90% Distilled water
2.- Mist onto a pre-cleaned and rinsed surface
3.- Blow off or Rinse and wipe dry

The reason I even mention this is specifically the fact that the directions from Gtech and Permanon are so different. If they are the same thing why would one be suggested to press hard and the other be suggested just to rinse off? I’m not suggesting they are so different but rather pointing out that something doesn’t add up among the currently accepted information. Now of course Gtech C2 can also be Diluted similar to Permanon, etc. but why then does Permanon not have a method for applying neat like Gtech does?

Basically from the information available Reload is the cheapest option but Permanon or C2 diluted can be misted onto any manner of wheels, calipers, wheel wells, etc. and then simply blow off which gives them a benefit for hard to reach places.

Dust Free?

The next update will show if there is any difference in the resistance to dust on the sections of the panel. My prediction is the dust magnetism will be identical among all 3 nano products. I will also add a test to my daily driver as I believe the dust will be blown off of a moving vehicle. I`ve noted this happens with the Reload I currently have on my vehicle.

Pricing:

Costs gets a little blurry between these 3 products due to different recommendations of application method by manufacturers. First it is said that Gtechniq and Permanon are the same except for the fact Permanon just came out with Platinum which was what I used in my testing. Platinum is more costly that the other level of Permanon which is equal in price to Gtechniq C2.

Now, lets move forward with the idea that both Permanon and C2 are basically the same product. The directions are different from these two companies.

If you take Reload and C2 side by side the Reload is less than half the price per oz. The place where it gets confusing is the fact that you can dilute C2 to create a booster product. Once diluted it would then be cheaper except for the fact that if you follow the directions from Permanon on how to apply their diluted product which is supposedly similar to the Gtech C2 you have to mist much more product which places it back on the more expensive than Reload category.

Therefore the question becomes... Can you dilute Gtech C2 or PP and apply it the way you apply Reload or the way you apply C2 undiluted? In other words still use a minimal amount of product.... I have a test set up for this as well and look forward to seeing what the durability is for this case but everything seems to point towards C2 and PP needing to be misted thoroughly to get good durability.





Additional Products used for this comparison:

Rolled edge mf towels
CarPro MicroFiber Terry Towel (40x40cm)
CarPro Plush Microfiber glove

[Dr Oldz]

Wow!!!! Thats all I got...WOW!!!

[TroyScherer]

Very comprehensive Corey!!! Great Test. I am very interested in the outcome.

[CEE DOG]

Thanks guys . I`ll be adding some similar tests on my daily driver as well.

Oh, I meant to tell the mods...

Mods: I understand if you want to delete this thread since it has some products in it that you don`t sell as well as some that you do. Anyway, I didn`t post it on AG because I am pretty sure you wouldn`t want it there but here I`ve noticed you have a bit of a different idea of what you do or don`t like on this sister forum so based on other things I see thought it might be appreciated. If not.... Chop chop!!

[Dr Oldz]

Thanks guys . I`ll be adding some similar tests on my daily driver as well.

Oh, I meant to tell the mods...

Mods: I understand if you want to delete this thread since it has some products in it that you don`t sell as well as some that you do. Anyway, I didn`t post it on AG because I am pretty sure you wouldn`t want it there but here I`ve noticed you have a bit of a different idea of what you do or don`t like on this sister forum so based on other things I see thought it might be appreciated. If not.... Chop chop!!

Corey, you can post anything here about any product. The nice thing about this forum! I certainly apperciated it!

[TroyScherer]

One side note to go with spray sealant test.

"If" ReLoad last 2 months and "if" Permanon Platinum last 6 months the overall cost for protection over the time frame will be closer to the same. Maybe not equal but at least closer.

[CEE DOG]

Excellent point Troy, thanks for adding this.

[stillen]

Talk about a comparo.

great job

[Todd@RUPES]

Consider me subscribed! Looking forward to another excellent test!

[Merlin]

Results? Durability?

[mjlinane]

Great information. Looking forward to the updates.

[embolism]

Looks like the Reload beading is clearly more spherical than the others.

can`t wait for updates!

Thx Corey!

[LowcountryAbart]

I applied permanon to my new Fiat Abarth in June , is it time to reapply?

[TroyScherer]

I applied permanon to my new Fiat Abarth in June , is it time to reapply?

Is it still beading and sheeting? This is how I usually tell if its time to re-apply Permanon.

If I can ask a few questions.


What version of Permanon do you have and use? I am using the Platinum.

How are you applying it? I use a 5-10% solution in a spray bottle. I know some people have applied it straight using an applicator.


I have found that for me Permanon has not lasted more than a few weeks. It really hates any soap with polymers or gloss enhancers. This really kills Permanon for me.

[LowcountryAbart]

Still beading as before, I wash car every week and keep in garage. I used plat for most surfaces and aircraft for undercaridige and boat for wheels. I had several samples. Most were applied with a paint gun at 10 percent mix with distilled H2o. I wash with Chemical guys honey dew foam in a foam cannon. Is washing the car once a week too much? Is it bad for clear coat ?