product update from a newbie

**Doughboy** · 10-25-2001, 08:17 PM

Here is a list of the few things I have wanted to try. Let me know if you have any opinions.

1. One Grand Omega Glaze

2. 3M Imperial Hand Glaze

3. P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion and Wax

4. Klasse All-In-One and Glaze

I use Blitz Wax and love it. I also really like Meguiar`s Gold Class.

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**imported_doug** · 10-25-2001, 08:50 PM

I`ve used the 3M IHG. It brings out a beautiful gloss, but it can be tricky to apply on black or very dark cars. It kind of "stains" or "streaks" a bit. You`d never notice on a lighter car.

But I`ve found some other products I think are as good or better. For filling and adding luster, the top of my list for the moment is Meguiar`s Body Shop Professional Hand Polish. (You won`t find this in traditional retail outlets. Meguiar`s has a whole line of pro stuff. There is a commercial automotive paint supply house near where I live that carries this. Also a great place to find the 3M products. ) I also recently tried their "scratch-x" and was VERY impressed - very easy to use, excellent luster and minor swirl mark hiding. It does NOT polish scratches out that I can see, but it does hide them well. I`ve used Meguiar`s show car glaze - not wild about it - can be hard to get the residue off, and leaves a lot of oils around.

I also use the Gold Class Liquid wax - which is a polymer-based product. I have found it very easy to use with a gloss as good as Zaino or any other high end product. Its longevity might not be as good.

**Doughboy** · 10-25-2001, 09:08 PM

Thanks for your opinions. I also use Scratch X and think it is great. Besides Blitz, I use Gold Class Liquid. Blitz is by far easier to remove, but Gold Class looks sweet when I finally get it done.

Its funny you mention that about 3M IHG because it streaks, but I`ve noticed that the Gold Class sometimes leaves darker marks that take a lot of buffing. I find that the MF towels help tremendously when removing wax.

I think I may give P21S a try, too. Ugh, I just want to try everything!

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**imported_doug** · 10-25-2001, 09:37 PM

Yeah, I use NOTHING but MF wipes - I bought a CASE of Meguiar`s Ultimate Wipes, and I have a few of their "Ultimate Bonnets" too - God`s gift to buffing out. I use a PC with the softest foam pad to apply the Gold Class - helps get it on evenly and thin. Buffing out is not a problem.

In case you haven`t discovered this, the Gold Class is even better[/b] if you wait at least an hour before buffing it out.

Cheers!

**JasonC8301** · 10-25-2001, 10:02 PM

OG OG and 3M IHG, not to fond of these filling type products. I read somewhere on www.onegrand.com that baking soda can be added to OG to increase cleaning/removeing swirl punch. I don`t think so, at least not me.

P21S cleansing lotion, on my list of to try items, but should be similar to Pinnacle PCL. The wax is a good wax for the garage queen a little shinier than blitz but not as long lasting. I know tim likes this wax a lot.

Klasse AIO and SG the main sealants in my kit. Provides great shine and protection. Topped off with a carnauba like blitz or Souveran ohhhh boy. Multiple coats of SG also is a plus.

Just my 2 cents,
Jason

**imported_roadk** · 10-25-2001, 10:24 PM

here`s my 2 cents if anyone`s interested...

i purchased the p21s kit prior to finding this forum and later went into the klasse system, but really like the p21s line.

the cleanser was great. left the paint feeling silky, and the wax was awesome, although it didn`t last very long...but,

i don`t garage my car, so that has a bunch to do with it.

i currently use the p21s wax on top of my klasse when i want heads to turn.

--thomas

**Jngrbrdman** · 10-25-2001, 10:40 PM

I love the Klasse AIO. That stuff has worked more wonders for me in the recent past than any product I have ever used. It shines like nothing else and really gets light marks and scratches out of the finish very well. Not to mention how well it works on old oxidized cars. That stuff makes the faded grey look on Black vehichles disappear and replace it with something that resembles a freshly painted surface. I really wish I had a digital camera on Tuesday because I did half the hood of a truck that hadn`t been waxed for probably 8 or 10 years and the oxidation was pretty bad. The half that I did with one application of AIO looked like a brand new truck hood. Amazing! I will never be without that stuff again.

**Doughboy** · 10-26-2001, 08:27 AM

How often do you guys apply:

Klasse AIO?

Klasse Glaze?

I have a black car, garage it in the evenings/ nights and most of the weekend, but park at work around a lot of building construction (=dust, dust, and more dust)!!!

Thanks!

**mx5** · 10-26-2001, 08:45 AM

1-2 coats of AIO, just to make sure you did not miss anything. I had five coats of Sealant Glaze and the car looked better and better with each coat. The black just kept getting darker and shinier. Very good product. The Meguiars Gold glass gives an unblievable shine but the protection lasts only a couple of weeks. I think the Gold Glass is just full of oils that give it the great initial shine and has mild cleaners that would remove most of anything else you already had applied on your vehicle.

I found you do not need a topper on a black car with multiple coats of the Sealant Glaze. Remember, once you apply wax you can`t add anymore SG. So make sure you are satisfied with the amount of coats you have. I did try the Blitz topper at one point. Although it did deepen the shine, it sucked in all the dust in the air and off of all the cars around me. In fact, when I was driving I saw the dirt from the side of the road being pulled up by the Blitz on my car.

**DETAILKING** · 10-26-2001, 09:16 AM

It has been my experience with it was well that it looks good upon application but just doesn`t last. Perhaps for a garage queen, this wouldn`t matter much, but my bimmer is a dailer commuter.

Just to add a bit to the comparison, someone on the corvette forum also did an in depth test of gold class and zaino. He applied them at the same time, and took pics in the same lighting. Check out the results. Does it look the same to you? Look how green the grass looks in the zaino reflection.......

<img src=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1575126&a=11974151&p=54012701>

Here is a durability test.....

<img src=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1575126&a=11974151&p=43501624>

I posted these for interest sake, draw your own conclusions.....

**Doughboy** · 10-26-2001, 11:17 AM

"In fact, when I was driving I saw the dirt from the side of the road being pulled up by the Blitz on my car. "

Ain`t that the truth?!

**YoSteve** · 10-26-2001, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by luvmymax [/i]
How often do you guys apply:

Klasse AIO?
Klasse Glaze?

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Usaully twice a year is the norm. You can add a layer or two of SG or a canuba wax every now and then to "refresh" the coating. But really, the key is to wash weekly (the correct way) and use the right quickdetailer and towel. Honestly keeping up on the cleaning and the QD, you car will keeps it`s acrylic Klasse shine for a year.

**imported_Kevin Brown** · 10-26-2001, 11:53 AM

I think that SG gives the car grey silver lining to the paint and not a deep black. The silver lining on the paint only shows when the car is in direct sunlight. In the shade, the reflection is unbelieveable.

Have to add the Blitz to give the deep warm look to the paint. Too bad the Blitz attracts so much dust. Pain in the butt because everyday one has to QD to keep the car clean.

**drmcetta** · 10-26-2001, 12:08 PM

question:

does the P21s carnauba wax attract dust too like blitz??

**boywonder** · 10-26-2001, 12:41 PM

<blockquote class=`ipsBlockquote` >

Originally posted by luvmymax [/i]

4. Klasse All-In-One and Glaze

I use Blitz Wax and love it. I also really like Meguiar`s Gold Class.

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I have been using Klasse AIO and SG for a few months and love it.
Very easy to apply and remove. Plus if you use Blitz to top it, you add a greater level of depth to the finish.

Take a look under member pics and check out Saturday Project. I applied AIO and SG 2x on my Maxima in those shots.