Why are we here?

[imported_BretFraz]

It appears that AT-5 is made and sold by GEM Industries, the company that invented the large orbital buffer. They still sell them and they`re used in car detailing and countertop refinishing.

GEM sells a few chemicals including a compound, the pre cleaner mentioned, a wax with Teflon in it, and some fragrances. Does not look like anything special in their product line. Pretty much the same stuff sold by Auto Wax, Ardex, Pro/BAF, etc.

Teflon in car care products was debunked years ago. Acrylic polymers are old skool technology, developed in the 1970s. Both have been eclipsed by newer polymer technologies.

As for the 5 year claim, GEM states it is "lab tested", but they do not provide lab results or any method to verify the claim. Since this industry is unregulated, anyone can make a claim about any product without repercussions. Typical detailing industry hype.

[imported_jaredpointer]

I am doing a black SUV on Sat. It is 3 years old, and has never had wax or a sealant applied to it. I am not going to use any correction on it. I will
take before and after pics. I will wash it with Dawn, use a clay bar, and
apply one coat of AT-5. You on the forum can judge for yourself if I am
right or wrong about AT-5.

Fair enough - please make sure you get some photos from the (as close to possible) exact same angles, before and after as well as some in direct sunlight so we can all make as fair an assumption as can be made by looking at photos over the internet. Basically, no photo trickery - shady photos, completely different before and afters, etc. I`m interested to see the photos, as I asked you for some the last time we had this (exact same) conversation on another forum.

I`m very curious to see the after photos regarding paint surface flaws and how well this sealant hides them. If there`s quite a bit of filling going on, I`d be really surprised if the sealant lasts any time at all. Any time I`ve used something with lots of filling/hiding characteristics, it tends to not last very long (most times until the vehicle is washed or rained on).

[imported_billd55]

Bret Fraz
I have one question for you. Have you ever used AT-5? If you have not,
you sure know alot about it. I can pull a few facts of the internet to, and
I can base an opinion also.

I can tell that this product has been tested by NASA, and several major
airlines. I personally applied this product on 2 737-800 in 2005 in Houston
Tx, and it was tested for one year. They found it reduced their fuel costs by
1 percent. That is fact.

I am not making a dime off this, and sometimes I really wonder why I should
waste my time to convince people who believe that a $1,000 wax is worth
it Although, know one I have seen on this forum has thought that was crazy.
Until, you try and use AT-5 then what is your opinion worth?

[imported_billd55]

Jared
I was willing to do that, but Troy shut me off the site before I had a chance
to do it. I will be glad to do what you asked, but I cannot control the sun.

[Todd@RUPES]

Bret Fraz
I have one question for you. Have you ever used AT-5? If you have not,
you sure know alot about it. I can pull a few facts of the internet to, and
I can base an opinion also.

I can tell that this product has been tested by NASA, and several major
airlines. I personally applied this product on 2 737-800 in 2005 in Houston
Tx, and it was tested for one year. They found it reduced their fuel costs by
1 percent. That is fact.

I am not making a dime off this, and sometimes I really wonder why I should
waste my time to convince people who believe that a $1,000 wax is worth
it Although, know one I have seen on this forum has thought that was crazy.
Until, you try and use AT-5 then what is your opinion worth?

And how can you offer your opinion on car wax that you haven`t used since 1970?

Also if you these are going to be the tones of your posts, then you may be better off `wasting your time` convincing people who are less knowledgable and have less experience then you.

So far you have not established any crediablity, you have pumped a product, and you have taken cheap shots on products you have admit to knowing nothing about. It`s not really the best first impression.

Nobody doubts that you believe in this product, but if you if your stance is going to be that you are right and we have to answer to that, then their may be better forums, with less knowledgable people, for you to post on.

[imported_jaredpointer]

Jared
I was willing to do that, but Troy shut me off the site before I had a chance
to do it. I will be glad to do what you asked, but I cannot control the sun.

They make halogen lighting or portable "sun guns" (spotlights). That would be a good substitute for before and after photos lighting.

[imported_jaredpointer]

Bret Fraz
I have one question for you. Have you ever used AT-5? If you have not,
you sure know alot about it. I can pull a few facts of the internet to, and
I can base an opinion also.

I can tell that this product has been tested by NASA, and several major
airlines. I personally applied this product on 2 737-800 in 2005 in Houston
Tx, and it was tested for one year. They found it reduced their fuel costs by
1 percent. That is fact.

I am not making a dime off this, and sometimes I really wonder why I should
waste my time to convince people who believe that a $1,000 wax is worth
it Although, know one I have seen on this forum has thought that was crazy.
Until, you try and use AT-5 then what is your opinion worth?

Bill, you and I finally agree on a point... I think a $1000 wax is crazy. That`s just me though. Someone is buying it, or they`d quit making it.

Regarding trying your sealant - are you willing to send out samples to anyone and let them try it? So that we can make our own conclusions? I`m not saying I`m interested personally, but I`d pony up and send you some sample wax or sealant to let you try in return.

Also, how was it proven that using this sealant reduced an airlines fuel costs by one percent. There`s so many variables in that assumption that it`s ludicrous to even make it.

[imported_billd55]

Todd

As I said before, I have worked in detail shops where they have used waxes
bought from professional vendors since the 70`s. Although, you keep going
back to the point that I am judging waxes with no experience. I have read TOWGT`s posts very closely, and he seems to have a vast amount of knowledge of waxes chemical properties.From what he says waxes do
not truly bond to a surface, no or little UV protection, but they produce a great shine. Okay, so what else do I need to know. They cost between $5.00
and $1,000, so what am I not understanding?

I am sorry for my last post to BretFrag for being a little testy. I am not
asking any one to buy AT-5, but just keep an open mind to what I am
trying to share with everyone . The reason I have continued to use this product for so many years is because it works, and have not found any reason to use other products. If you are happy with what you are using
or your method is right for you,then ignore what I am saying. I am not
trying to trash wax, but only point out certain things about it. Fair enough!

[Tuck91]

Todd

As I said before, I have worked in detail shops where they have used waxes
bought from professional vendors since the 70`s. Although, you keep going
back to the point that I am judging waxes with no experience. I have read TOWGT`s posts very closely, and he seems to have a vast amount of knowledge of waxes chemical properties.From what he says waxes do
not truly bond to a surface, no or little UV protection, but they produce a great shine. Okay, so what else do I need to know. They cost between $5.00
and $1,000, so what am I not understanding?

I am sorry for my last post to BretFrag for being a little testy. I am not
asking any one to buy AT-5, but just keep an open mind to what I am
trying to share with everyone . The reason I have continued to use this product for so many years is because it works, and have not found any reason to use other products. If you are happy with what you are using
or your method is right for you,then ignore what I am saying. I am not
trying to trash wax, but only point out certain things about it. Fair enough!

I have never even heard of this AT-5 stuff and I really do not care to hear about it either.

If you like it and it works for you then thats great, but I think its time to give it a rest already.

[imported_User Name]

AT-5 = V*agra for your car.

Next topic.

[imported_billd55]

Jared
The 737-800 is linked to the airlines headquarters for each fight . They kept
this info and after the year they compared it with past data. I was told this
by the guy who paid me to help him apply it for the airplanes. It is now used on American Airlines jets because it works on Alum.

I have no problem sending out samples, but I am not a charity. If you are
willing to cover the shipping cost, then I will send out a few.

[Tuck91]

AT-5 = V*agra for your car.

Next topic.

Well, the title of this topic is something I am still wondering, I know why I am here, but why is the OP here?

[imported_billd55]

Nick
Are you speaking for the forum. No one is asking you to read my posts,
so if you are not interested. It is very simple , do`nt click on them, or
get involved and start a new subject.

[Tuck91]

Nick
Are you speaking for the forum. No one is asking you to read my posts,
so if you are not interested. It is very simple , do`nt click on them, or
get involved and start a new subject.

I do not think this topic will be around much longer for me to comment on anyways.

[imported_billd55]

Nick
If you have something to share, please, start the next topic. My fingers are
getting sore from all this typing.