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    ^^ One addition to my above post that I didn’t want to get lost in the above: CanCoat beading was noticeably degraded prior to the toppings. The beading and video above are better behavior than CanCoat alone was after 3 months. It was still good but not ‘like new’. This observation doesn’t go against the shed/adherence argument as the SiO2 adhering from the toppers is obviously improving the behavior.

    I had the similar experience topping Cosmic with High Gloss Spray last year. Cosmic was great but the beading/sheeting stepped upon a level once High Gloss was applied. I was able watch that comparison for quite some time since my hood was half Cosmic and half Cosmic+HG. After a few months though I think the hood even’d out as High Gloss wore away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acuRAS82 View Post
    Well the paint certainly doesn’t look the same as CanCoat alone. The 10 Minute Paint Sealant would also have to have shed for this to be CanCoat. High Gloss Paste and Spray are (in some measurement) 80% TiO2 and 10% SiO2. So if we’re talking about other ingredients shedding, there’s not much else there to account for.

    There’s no doubt using these toppers on coatings or coating lites allows them to benefit from being bonded to an already smooth, nano-surface, but I dont think things just shed off. If I put Megs Gold Class Carnauba wax on the car, that area will show changed beading for weeks. Same if I put a spray sealant on. If these don’t shed off then I don’t see why ingredients in toppers would.
    Usually those ratings of 80/20 sio/tio are after solvents/carriers have been wiped/evaporated. Sio2 and tio2 are solids and if fresh product was 90% solids it would be mud/paste.

    Those are percentages of amounts left behind. And every product I have used on my bare hood and on my coated parts of car, The hydrophobics, contact angle’sand self cleaning are dramatically superior

    From info i gathered (which could be complete) sio2/tio2 solids in toppers adheres to ceramic coating adding to the pile. Rest is just kind of carrier to get it there.

    When you put it on uncoated parts of car you have less of a “pile”. So any sio2 product will perform better on coating.

    I’ve seen this with every sio2 product I have used on coated vs non coated surface.

    Note: I have not tried any Sio2 paste wax products.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coatings=crack View Post
    Usually those ratings of 80/20 sio/tio are after solvents/carriers have been wiped/evaporated. Sio2 and tio2 are solids and if fresh product was 90% solids it would be mud/paste.

    Those are percentages of amounts left behind. And every product I have used on my bare hood and on my coated parts of car, The hydrophobics, contact angle’sand self cleaning are dramatically superior

    From info i gathered (which could be complete) sio2/tio2 solids in toppers adheres to ceramic coating adding to the pile. Rest is just kind of carrier to get it there.

    When you put it on uncoated parts of car you have less of a “pile”. So any sio2 product will perform better on coating.

    I’ve seen this with every sio2 product I have used on coated vs non coated surface.

    Note: I have not tried any Sio2 paste wax products.


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    Understood, as far as percentages being of solids and not including carriers.

    At what point do you separate performance credit away from your base coat(ing) then? I’m giving credit to my topper for improving looks, beading and sheeting.

    Anyways, back to the thread, I’m considering adding second coats to the waxes, but that would change the dynamics of the test... so maybe it’s another test for another day. I wish I had 10 vehicles... hmmmmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acuRAS82 View Post
    Understood, as far as percentages being of solids and not including carriers.

    At what point do you separate performance credit away from your base coat(ing) then? I’m giving credit to my topper for improving looks, beading and sheeting.

    Anyways, back to the thread, I’m considering adding second coats to the waxes, but that would change the dynamics of the test... so maybe it’s another test for another day. I wish I had 10 vehicles... hmmmmmm...
    Did you polish trunk lid before applying? Could be old LSp clogging?

    After having coating i dont look as a topper as a layer on top of coating but ingredients that combine with the coating. Only way to explain superior performance of same product on top of coating and on bare paint. Anyways not debating just theories on why the performance difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coatings=crack View Post
    Did you polish trunk lid before applying? Could be old LSp clogging?

    After having coating i dont look as a topper as a layer on top of coating but ingredients that combine with the coating. Only way to explain superior performance of same product on top of coating and on bare paint. Anyways not debating just theories on why the performance difference.


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    For the ceramic wax test, everything was clayed a few weeks before and polished the day before. The only malfunctions I can think of could be that my WG Paint Prep Spray is not working well for me removing polishing oils, or that the temperature in my garage was not warm enough for some to bond well. I think the temp was around 60 or high 50’s when these were applied. But as for the HG Paste I applied that to the Audi in similar temperature and it’s doing fine there as a topper.

    Edit: By the way, sorry if I was turning anything about toppers on bases into a debate. I wasn’t sure what was meant in the original post you made on the topic but I’m pretty much on board with what you’re saying about piling on and/or toppers mixing into the base to some degree. Regarding this test of mine, I still expected ceramic waxes to all work amazing as standalone but either conditions weren’t optimal, or maybe some do really intend to have 2nd coats applied, or maybe some such as HG Paste are really optimal only as toppers... or any combination of the 3 I just mentioned.

    I’m still considering adding another coat of HG on top of HG just to see what happens. Maybe also a second coat on one of the Synergy applications (directions mention 2), on the 5th Element (directions prefer 2) and on one of the “NYF” applications as well.
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