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    Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    In the old days, before paint decontamination sprays, detailing clay, and paint prep towels, detailers and bodyshops relied on aggressive paint polishing to remove contamination....

    DetailingClay (vs. hobby clay or Play-Doo) is indeed abrasive. In fact, Detailing Clay comes in various grades of abrasiveness. Similar to how sandpaper comes in different grits, or buffing liquids come in compounds, swirl removers, and final polishes. Aggressive clay is most commonly used in body shops or in situations when the paint is going to be polished. This is because aggressive clay has a high tendency to leave marring (lightly surface scratch the paint). When used on very soft paint, aggressive clay can be so aggressive that you can dull the tops of the orange peel texture, just like sanding.

    Because something is abrasive does not mean it will do the same intended job. It is near impossible to remove orange peel texture from cured paint by machine polishing but it is (relatively) easy to do with wet sanding, even though both would be considered abrasive. Why? Because when you sand (to remove orange peel) you are using a fairly hard backing sponge that will force the paint to contour the shape of the backing block. The abrasives are focused (with much greater pressure) over any uneven areas (high spots) which levels these areas much faster, until the surface becomes level. When polishing you are applying the abrasives with a much softer backing, that will flow to some degree over the paint. The abrasives are worked evenly over the ebbs and flows and contours to the surface, removing material far more evenly.

    What does this have to do with contamination? Remember that the clear coat on your paint is about a sheet of paper thick (very thin) yet it can be polished many times before thinning it out. Contamination (particularly the type that you can feel with your finger tip) can be quite thick (relative to the paint`s thickness and the polishes ability to remove that material). So when you are polishing contaminated paint you are abrading the contamination, likely at a slightly greater rate then the surrounding clear coat. If the contamination is .5 mils thick (and made of mostly iron oxide) it could require multiple passes to fully remove the abrasion.

    A clay bar (which is far less abrasive as a whole then compounding the paint), because it is firm, will focus almost all of its cutting action on the contamination itself (the rest of the bar hydroplanes across the paint surface). If the clay was super soft like a sponge, it simply would not work.

    So (in general, there are always exceptions to the rule) the following abrasives are do the following jobs best.

    Sand paper- designed to level paint flat when used with a sanding block.

    Clay- designed to level random `bumps` of contamination.

    Machine polishing- tends to level material evenly (removes a much more equal amount of material from surfaces of slightly different heights).

    As noted above, you CAN remove contamination from polishing (this was common practice before clay proved to be more efficient and less invasive.) To remove the contamination you are going to have to use a stiffer polishing surface that focuses the majority of its energy on the contamination itself.

    This is usually done by using a wool pad at high RPM. The high RPM pulls the fibers taut and creates a much stiffer polishing surface. (Think of spinning a rock tied to a string above your head. If you swing it slowly, the string will have slack. If you really whip it around the string will become very very taut).


    CLIFF NOTES: Clay works well at removing contamination (bumps that stick above the paint) because it focuses all of its work on the contamination (if floats across the relatively smooth paint surface and eats at the bumps).

    Polishing works to remove material evenly from most surfaces because the polishing pads ability to contour to the body panel and bumps. Some contamination is as thick as the clear coat and quite attached. It could require a lot of polishing to reduce it.

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Great article Todd. What I find amazing is how long clay was around before it made it to the automotive world. Lots of thinned out paint in the mean time.

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Quote Originally Posted by rzatch View Post
    Great article Todd. What I find amazing is how long clay was around before it made it to the automotive world. Lots of thinned out paint in the mean time.
    And like all things in this world, time moves on. New rubber technology has allowed for things like the Speedy Prep Towels, NanoSkin AutoScrub System, and Ultima Elastrafoam Detailing Block. It is a great time to be a detailer.

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Or expensive!!!! Trying to keep up.

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    +1 for the clay blocks, they are SOOO much better than conventional clay
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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Todd you are correct...I use the Nanoskin Autoscrubber and I love it. It makes my job so much easier and faster then the old school "Claybar".

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Quote Originally Posted by Reflectiveauto View Post
    Todd you are correct...I use the Nanoskin Autoscrubber and I love it. It makes my job so much easier and faster then the old school "Claybar".
    What speed are you using it on? Pressure?

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Todd..when I use it by hand I have a Griots velcro connector that velcros to the other side and slip my hand through the straps. As for pressure I dont use that much pressure just enough to feel the contamination to the point where I dont feel anymore too where its completely smooth. I have used it on bigger jobs with my GG 6" DA and I use speed 1 to Speed 2 and no higher.

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Great info. Some people think they can skip a step and go straight to polishing. No no no, claying only takes about 15 minutes and makes a night and day difference!
    Get your shine on!

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    yep, just because it`s new doesn`t mean it`s contamination free. clay away !

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Quote Originally Posted by tropicsteve View Post
    yep, just because it`s new doesn`t mean it`s contamination free. clay away !
    Exactly. I (as I`m sure many of you) have experience "brand new" cars covered in rail dust and contamination.

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    I bought my new "to me" car, 2011 Taurus SEL with 17k miles a few months back. It sure looked clean and shiny at the dealer. Upon getting it home I did a proper wash and Clay Magic blue over the paint - wow! talk about crud coming out! The paint went from clean but dry feeling to clean and slick. The whole car was covered. I must have used 1/4 of the bar, as I got a little OCD. Then, Megs D300 on CG MF pad, and BFWD. I`ve washed - waxed - a couple more times so I figure it has a good 3 coats of BFWD and looks better than new.

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Bunn View Post
    I bought my new "to me" car, 2011 Taurus SEL with 17k miles a few months back. It sure looked clean and shiny at the dealer. Upon getting it home I did a proper wash and Clay Magic blue over the paint - wow! talk about crud coming out! The paint went from clean but dry feeling to clean and slick. The whole car was covered. I must have used 1/4 of the bar, as I got a little OCD. Then, Megs D300 on CG MF pad, and BFWD. I`ve washed - waxed - a couple more times so I figure it has a good 3 coats of BFWD and looks better than new.
    It`s amazing how "stuff" finds its way onto the paint.

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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    I agree completely Todd!!

    Removing paint contamination is the key phrase rather than polish.

    Cleaning the finish is vitality important if it is to keep it`s appearance looking good for years to come.

    Claying should be done as a rule twice annually and depending on the environment and finish may need to be performed more frequently.

    Polishing is best suited for removing defects in the finish. As it abrades the finish microscopic milled particles go to work "changing" the appearance of many defects while removing others. I used the term changing intentionally because the defects we see is how how they reflect light.

    Scratches

    Most scratches when new are made up of flat and sharp features. Every feature reflects light differently allowing us to see it in stunning detail. Compounds and polishes wear those sharp edges changing their shape thus causing them to reflect light differently. Even if the scratch is deep it can be made to almost disappear using the right pads and abrasive compounds.

    Awesome information!!


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    Re: Clay, don`t polish, to remove paint contamination

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Helme View Post
    Exactly. I (as I`m sure many of you) have experience "brand new" cars covered in rail dust and contamination.
    I think rail dust is "standard equipment" on most new cars! As a matter of fact, I can`t remember any of my new cars that didn`t have it.

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