Blackfire Clay Bar Extender (short review)

**dengelson** · 10-16-2001, 02:09 PM

I`ve been using 3M Paste Wax with good results.

However its ad copy says Shines and protects new and like-new paint finishes, producing a high gloss, lustrous, exceptionally durable "wet look" finish. Contains A.S.F. (Acrylic Silicone Fluoropolymer)[/b], which produces the exceptionally durable finish. [/i]

<ul class=`bbcol upper-alpha`>[*] Is silicone a good or bad thing to use on a car`s finish in a non paint shop environment and why?[*] Is special care required when using products with silicone or should specific things be considered before using it?[*] What products are silicone compatible or not compatible with?[/list]
I`m new to this so any[/b] help would be appreciated. Thanks

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**jkochis** · 10-16-2001, 04:14 PM

Regarding that product, here`s what 3M says...

6. SUGGESTED FIRST AID

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EYE CONTACT:

Immediately flush eyes with large amounts of water. Get immediate

medical attention.

SKIN CONTACT:

Flush skin with large amounts of water. If irritation persists, get

medical attention.

INHALATION:

Remove person to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial

respiration. If breathing is difficult, get immediate medical

attention.

IF SWALLOWED:

Do not induce vomiting. Drink two glasses of water. Call a physician.

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Abbreviations: N/D - Not Determined N/A - Not Applicable CA - Approximately

MSDS: 3M(TM) Perfect-It(TM) Paste Wax PN 39526, 38526, 39526S, 33526

April 04, 2001 PAGE 4

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7. PRECAUTIONARY INFORMATION

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EYE PROTECTION:

Avoid eye contact. Wear vented goggles. Wear safety glasses with

side shields.

SKIN PROTECTION:

Avoid prolonged or repeated skin contact. Wear appropriate gloves

when handling this material. A pair of gloves made from the

following material(s) are recommended: neoprene, nitrile rubber.

RECOMMENDED VENTILATION:

Use in a well-ventilated area. Provide sufficient ventilation to

maintain emissions below recommended exposure limits.

RESPIRATORY PROTECTION:

Avoid breathing of vapors.

PREVENTION OF ACCIDENTAL INGESTION:

Wash hands after handling and before eating. Do not ingest.

RECOMMENDED STORAGE:

Store away from heat. Keep container closed when not in use. Keep

out of the reach of children.

FIRE AND EXPLOSION AVOIDANCE:

Keep container tightly closed. Keep away from heat, sparks, open

flame, and other sources of ignition.

**dengelson** · 10-19-2001, 10:45 AM

Thanks RH but I don`t want to eat the stuff! :p

My main question is part C. What products are silicone compatible or uncompatible with?

**YoSteve** · 10-19-2001, 03:16 PM

silicone is not a solvent, its fairly inert the stuff you probably would be worried about is the stuff besides silicone in the wax, solvents and stuff.

the msds has some pretty descript warnings about being flammable and other things etc so that would be your main concern.

my only concern is that those solvents would clean off something like Klasse (if that is the application you were after) and that might just be a matter of trial an error (maybe someone else can shed some better light than I can)

**Ron Ketcham** · 10-19-2001, 06:21 PM

All liquid and paste products contain solvents.

Repeat, ALL!

The only issue with silicones is the confusion created by marketers attempting to create a false sense of fear in the consumers mind of competitive products.

This was started when dimethal silicone fluids were first added to products to increase ease of application, greater depth of gloss and added protective life.

As things progressed, quality manufacturers took a look at the whole family that makes ups silicone/siloxane resins and fluids.

The ingredient in the 3M is a quality, long lasting fluid, one of the best.

Probably much better than what some of the "pricey" brands with the fancy packaging and names use.

The warning are standard and required for any product sold for commercial use.

We have the same on our sealants, etc. They do contain siloxanes or polydimethalsiloxanes or polyamniosiloxanes or the flurotelamer resins.

Relax, you are all reading to much into this.

Ketch

:up

**YoSteve** · 10-19-2001, 11:51 PM

dihydrogen monoxide is a solvent contained in many products, especially food products. it is found in the everywhere in nature, including in the air. it is responsible for killing many people every year, yet it`s non-toxic and you can drink it.

yes solvents are everywhere, it is the solvent in the paste wax that will determine its "compatibility" with the other products that you use it with, not the silicone.

Not being able to touch or breath the vapors from using the product is a sign that it contains stronger solvents, you`ll have to experiment which products work nicely with it and which ones don`t.

**ISLANDSBEST** · 10-19-2001, 11:55 PM

Ron K. -- when repainting a car or doing touch up work, however, one does have to take appropriate steps if silicone has been applied to the paint, yes?

**Ron Ketcham** · 10-20-2001, 07:38 AM

It is called a grease and wax remover solvent.

**dengelson** · 10-20-2001, 10:20 AM

Ketch thanks so much for your answer. You even asked my question better.

Your posts have been a huge help to me personally. Furthermore you are an incredible asset to this board! :bounce

**DETAILKING** · 10-20-2001, 12:21 PM

They are difficult to remove completely and if the car is not prepped right can really mess up the paint job. All body shops should be able to deal with it though, and prep the car right.

Yo steve.......regarding dihydrogen monoxide....you forgot to say that it causes severe burns in it`s gaseous state too...LOL. Not many people realize that we are referring to H2O a.k.a. WATER!

**rstype** · 10-20-2001, 08:28 PM

LOL!!! Dihydrogen monoxide. They have this fake news article about how "hazardous" it is... so funny!

**TortoiseAWD** · 10-20-2001, 09:13 PM

Willie was a Chemist,
but Willie is no more.
What Willie thought was H20
was H2SO4.

**ZL1Mark** · 03-11-2010, 10:59 PM

Just used it for the first time. The stuff is awesome! It won`t clean a really dirty clay bar 100%, lets be realistic here. Anyhow, it really helps clean the clay a lot! Great product!

**imported_Luster** · 03-11-2010, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by 07 z-oh-6

Just used it for the first time. The stuff is awesome! It won`t clean a really dirty clay bar 100%, lets be realistic here. Anyhow, I didn`t expect that, but it really helps clean the clay! Great product!

Hey Mark... that`s good to know. I`ve been wanting to try it. Next order for sure!:thumbup: