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    My washing regimen and foam gun use

    A couple things I can add to this that may or may not be helpful...

    1. Any type of "no touch wash" you are doing will likely leave water spots (unless you are using DI water - expensive for whole wash).

    2. I use my pressure washer and foam cannon in my garage (has floor drain) all the time with no issues of getting anything wet but the floor and the car. My garage is like a 2.75 car size with a lot of stuff in it (organized).

    3. IMHO it`s a complete waste to rinse , foam, rinse - if you are doing a 2BM or rinseless wash after. Just foam & rinse. Why would you rinse before you foam? Makes no sense. Foam once - rinse once.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanicyouth View Post
    A couple things I can add to this that may or may not be helpful...

    3. IMHO it`s a complete waste to rinse , foam, rinse - if you are doing a 2BM or rinseless wash after. Just foam & rinse. Why would you rinse before you foam? Makes no sense. Foam once - rinse once.


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    Picture a vehicle with a thick layer of crud or slush on the bottom half. There`s a good chance the foam ain`t gonna penetrate that. If you take a minute and blast it off you`ve just peeled back a layer so your foam can work on the next. I`m talking a seriously dirty car though. 90% of the time I`d agree.

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    Yeah, IMO the "pre-rinse or not?" is situational. I myself *always* do it, but I can imagine it not always being necessary.

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    Re: My washing regimen and foam gun use

    A little thread resurrection. I finally read the accumulator methodology for washing. I can`t follow that plan as I can`t use the hose with my left hand. Plus now living here in Colorado, water costs way too much. I too don`t do the two buckets, or a grit guard. I have a couple dozen of these plush blue mf towels I use to wash with. First I tell what I do for a wash when I`m going to be applying some fusso coat.
    1: I rinse to get loose stuff off
    2: I spray the car down with purple power auto, rv, boat cleaner. This does a lot of dirt, road film removal without agitation.
    3: I have a bucket with the purple power
    4: I use the blue mf towels to wash the car. The mf only goes in the bucket once. I use as many different mf towels as needed. Its gotta be working cleaner than using a rinse bucket. Trying to get all the dirt out of the wash mit.
    5: rinse
    6: I use the leaf blower to dry the car. Using mf towel to dry what little is left.

    i do the same for a maintenance wash, except I use a regular ph balanced car soap.
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    Re: My washing regimen and foam gun use

    Coleroad- I really like the way you`re figuring out what`s likely to work for *you* and then dialing that in.

    I agree wholeheartedly that getting out a fresh MF is a lot better than trying to rinse them. IIRC, Kajunman is using about 30 MFs when he washes and that doesn`t sound nutty to me in the least.

    And yes indeed, my Wash Technique is one of those "not right for everybody" things! It`s great *for me* in my current situation, but otherwise I figure it`s just food for thought. If nothing else, maybe I can get people thinking about how/why the wash-induced marring happens; lots of ways to mitigate it once you figure out its likely causes.

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    Re: My washing regimen and foam gun use

    Quote Originally Posted by Accumulator View Post
    Coleroad- I really like the way you`re figuring out what`s likely to work for *you* and then dialing that in.

    I agree wholeheartedly that getting out a fresh MF is a lot better than trying to rinse them. IIRC, Kajunman is using about 30 MFs when he washes and that doesn`t sound nutty to me in the least.

    And yes indeed, my Wash Technique is one of those "not right for everybody" things! It`s great *for me* in my current situation, but otherwise I figure it`s just food for thought. If nothing else, maybe I can get people thinking about how/why the wash-induced marring happens; lots of ways to mitigate it once you figure out its likely causes.
    Thanks, I like your method, and I`ve seen others suggest doing it that way, It makes total sense. Here in Colorado my water bill is more than my home gas bill in January. That`s using around only 3,800 gallons. I felt like I moved to California. It won`t stop me from washing the cars, but I sure watch how much water I use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coleroad View Post
    Here in Colorado my water bill is more than my home gas bill in January. That`s using around only 3,800 gallons..
    Yikes, that`s really something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coleroad View Post
    Thanks, I like your method, and I`ve seen others suggest doing it that way, It makes total sense. Here in Colorado my water bill is more than my home gas bill in January. That`s using around only 3,800 gallons. I felt like I moved to California. It won`t stop me from washing the cars, but I sure watch how much water I use.
    Is there a certain reason why you don`t do rinseless or waterless washes?
    Where I live this method has not been used much so have not even thought about it before. And the water is cheap here. But the summer that was there came out water restrictions cause low levels of ground water. So as soon as the winter months is over I will test this out. It`s hard to let go of the 2bm but will it be as safe as possible method I`m in lol. Have added more wash mitts when washing and leaning to more and more to not use a rinse bucket. But I have a really thorough prewash method so my rinse water does not get so dirty. I look for getting more and more safe washing technique though

    A tips is that a small PW needs quite little of water compare to a hose. So the use of a pressure wash can accually save water during washing.

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    We`ve had so much hit or miss weather this winter season that I haven`t been doing much beyond foam/dwell/rinse/drip dry. Just no sense in doing a proper, complete wash `n` dry. Cars aren`t staying clean for more than a day or so. However, the result is really very decent and far better, IMO, than leaving all that crap on the paint. I suppose the coating help to some degree, too.
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    Re: My washing regimen and foam gun use

    Quote Originally Posted by SWETM View Post
    Is there a certain reason why you don`t do rinseless or waterless washes?
    Where I live this method has not been used much so have not even thought about it before. And the water is cheap here. But the summer that was there came out water restrictions cause low levels of ground water. So as soon as the winter months is over I will test this out. It`s hard to let go of the 2bm but will it be as safe as possible method I`m in lol. Have added more wash mitts when washing and leaning to more and more to not use a rinse bucket. But I have a really thorough prewash method so my rinse water does not get so dirty. I look for getting more and more safe washing technique though

    A tips is that a small PW needs quite little of water compare to a hose. So the use of a pressure wash can accually save water during washing.
    i would be willing to bet I don`t use more than 10 gallons to wash a car. My wash bucket only gets filled about halfway. It maybe ignorance, but I don`t see how a rinseless wash can remove roadfilm, and not leave a film itself. I just can`t wrap my head around it being a good thing. I have a gas powered PW, but I have never used it to clean a car. I hate using it, but need to for things like deck cleaning, and driveway.
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    Re: My washing regimen and foam gun use

    10 gallons seems minimal. I use less than that for rinseless, but for a bucket wash, no. I was curious to find out how much water I was using, and this is what I concluded:

    For a pre rinse, chemical decon, then 2BW - Using a garden house and regular hose attachment, I used 20 (+/-) gallons on a 4 door sedan

    For a heavy wheel (only the two fronts) cleaning, pre-soak, chemical decon, and 2BW - using a small pressure washer, I used less than 10 gallons for a different 4 door sedan.


    and here`s a short video of a guy doing rinseless to clean off salt (?)

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    Re: My washing regimen and foam gun use

    Quote Originally Posted by Coleroad View Post
    i would be willing to bet I don`t use more than 10 gallons to wash a car. My wash bucket only gets filled about halfway. It maybe ignorance, but I don`t see how a rinseless wash can remove roadfilm, and not leave a film itself. I just can`t wrap my head around it being a good thing. I have a gas powered PW, but I have never used it to clean a car. I hate using it, but need to for things like deck cleaning, and driveway.
    I was not so clear about how I meaned. Just swap the regualar car soap for a rinseless solution instead. Use the same mf towels and ad drying towels. I don`t know if it`s possible to dry with the leafblower when doing rinseless wash. For how good the rinseless solution is to help desolve road film compare to a car soap I don`t know either. But think that the presoak helps and then the cleaning ability from the mf towels you use is important. Was just a thought about save some more water. You do not use much water now so maybe not so important to save more. Interesting to hear about others thinking of different methods.

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    Re: My washing regimen and foam gun use

    [Gee, I guess I oughta put in some disclaimer about how I`m not flaming anybody...but...]

    JustJesus- Re that video, I would simply never do that to a vehicle I wasn`t gonna correct and *cannot* imagine how he avoided marring the paint. Unless I`m standing there in a dark environment with a great inspection light and seeing it with my own eyes....I simply won`t grant credence. It`s the internet and it`s hard enough to convince people about such stuff IRL ("yeah, that marring RIGHT THERE..what, you don`t see it?!?").

    Quote Originally Posted by Coleroad
    I don`t see how a rinseless wash can remove roadfilm, and not leave a film itself. I just can`t wrap my head around it being a good thing....
    The now-MIA Superbee364 called it "the voodoo" of rinseless washes I too was awfully skeptical and still haven`t finalized my thoughts on why/how it can work, but it does. Yeah, some [nasty film-stuff] is probably left behind, all mixed in with whatever the RW leaves behind, but it must be awfully minimal as it`s sure not obvious.

    Not that I`d touch it with the RW until it was cleaner, but that`s just marring-paranoid me

    I hear you on a gas pressure washer being a PIA (even when they work right), but consider...[INSERT my usual advice to buy a really cheap electric one for detailing use].

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom P
    We`ve had so much hit or miss weather this winter season that I haven`t been doing much beyond foam/dwell/rinse/drip dry...
    I haven`t even bothered with the foam so far on the Tahoe. But I *am* gonna give it a proper cleaning pretty soon.

    One of these days I`m gonna start experimenting with Touchless via my Lonn Cleaning Gun using both conventional shampoo and RW, but I haven`t gotten around to it yet. The smaller siphon-feed gun kinda works, but I want better.

 

 
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