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    Re: Winter Wheels

    FWIW, I`ve run Michelin X-Ice tires on two different DD with no complains. My current set of X-Ice Xi3 were new last year.

    https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...odel=X-Ice+Xi3

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    Surly- I feel so strongly about this that I can`t help basically repeating myself

    If freezing rain/ice are a significant factor I`d go with something that will handle that. I`m basically all about Blizzaks, but that`s just because I`ve had so many sets of them. Yeah, I have to dial it back a bit when conditions aren`t all that wintery, but being able to turn and stop when I want/need to regardless of weather conditions is utterly essential to me..."never lose control of the vehicle, EVER" is my goal, and I don`t consider Black Ice or the actions of other drivers to be valid excuses. Being forced to drive a bit slower some of the time (and it`s never like the snowtires compromise things so much that I have to drive the Speed Limit or anything like that; reckless-op-citation speeds are perfectly doable) basically doesn`t matter to me, but eh...that`s just me.

    All tires are compromises in some way, what do *YOU* value most? Go by that.

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    Re: Winter Wheels

    At present my #1 choice for "full winter" is the Hakkapeliitta R2s. The Finns know how to build winter tires for extreme situations. A catch is that sometimes my weather isn`t "extreme enough" for them. They test better than the Blizzaks, and perform all the way through the tread compound. They are, admittedly, not one of the best known manufacturers in the USA but don`t confuse them for some bargain off-brand. To the contrary, they top the charts.

    https://www.nokiantires.com/winter-t...kapeliitta-r2/

    I don`t consider them a compromise in winter grip (as long as they don`t do that thing in the warm/wet that the RSi variant did to me - ugh. Like I said I have first hand accounts from R2 owners I know in face-to-face life with none of those issues).

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    Re: Winter Wheels

    Ws80s are nice. They say at 50% there is 10% multicell compound left. And I get it cause at 50% tread on a winter tire you are less than 6/32. Cause they start at 11/32. 6/32 starts to get a little less than optimal in severe weather. You want the most depth you can get obviously.

    I had a couple sets of x ice michelins. They weren`t bad really either not as good as the ws80 though

    Had the Dunlop 3D on a vw thought these were a good tire for a "performance" winter

    Had Yokohama w drive on a wrx and they were pretty much all seasons.

    Ws60s I had on a Camaro years ago were my first winter tires and they were fantastic.

    R2s is what I wanted before the ws80 for last winter but I got a very good price on the ws80 so I couldn`t pass and being blizzaks I knew they would be good

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    Re: Winter Wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by Surly View Post
    Just getting my winter wheels ready too. I am most likely getting new winter tires this year but I did a D143 (well, hot rims OTC) clean up when I removed them in the spring. Today I hit them with Iron-X and scrubbed every nook and cranny, rinsed, D143 scrubbed wheels and tires, rinsed again, degreased the hub area, rinsed.

    In the coming days I`ll be hitting with Menzerna PF2500 or SF4000 (not sure yet), then Eraser, then GTechniq C5 Wheel Armor on outside, barrels, rear of spokes - everywhere.

    Then I`ll be getting a set of probably either Hakkapeliitta R2s or Pilot Alpin PA4s to mount and balance. Haven`t decided yet. Hopefully the balance weights will stick OK on the C5.

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    Your BMW may enjoy the Blizzak LM-32`s. I run them on my S4 and love them. They are 8/10 in deep snow but I was more interested in the 10/10 for dry cold road performance I lived in Mississauga for a couple years when we got dumped on but even then, I ran Blizzaks on my cars and loved them.

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    Re: Winter Wheels

    Nokians hands down.

    At least this thread in in the right direction for auto owners with the right mindset...winters for winters, summers for summers....skip the ~no seasons~

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    Quote Originally Posted by mobiledynamics View Post
    .. the right mindset...winters for winters, summers for summers....skip the ~no seasons~
    One wildcard- On some of mine I have to run All-Seasons because even though they don`t get driven in snow, they*do* get driven in cold temps upon occasion, cold enough that Summer tires aren`t appropriate. Fortunately, there are AS tires that handle OK these days (Michelin Pilot A/S even did OK in AutoX, though they sure did wear fast).

    When soliciting advice from reps, I ask for "the best tires for running a SCCA Autocross in the rain on a 40° day", which probably makes `em wonder since I`m outfitting big sedans or even the Tahoe.

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    Yep - I enjoy having real summer tires for summer driving, but you do need to watch the weather forecast to make sure you aren`t caught out. Probably getting Pilot Sport 4S for this car in the spring. Maybe A/S3+, but probably 4S.

    I`m generally sold on Michelin`s Pilot line for summer tires. Not that I haven`t run other brands, but recent experiences have me won over. Winters, on the other hand, I`m not so sold on. I`ve seen more than a handful of cars with nice expensive Pilot Alpins or X-Ice tires and a huge double-row of weights to get them to balance. Sure, it could be idiots at the tire shop or a bent wheel, but I see it on Michelin winter tires more often than could be co-incidence....

    So - Nokians hands down even though I might be driving in 27F brine most of the time?

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    Surly- Be sure the Pilot A/S version you get is suitable for *YOUR* car. The A/S 3 proved to be the wrong choice for my wife`s A8. I`m probably gonna go with something else, from somebody else, on the Crown Vic, sure never thought I`d say that!

    How *do* people with Summer Tires deal with cold weather...do they just park `em? I ran Summer Max Performance Tires on the S8 and it was a genuine handful on cold-but-clear days, and not just until they "warmed up" or anything, they were the wrong tire for those conditions.

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    I have WS70`s on my R an they are amazing. Zero complaints.
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    @Accumulator: On cold/clear days down to about -5C anyways, any summer max tires I`ve had were still better than all season and winter tires in those same conditions. (hence I don`t agree with all the marketing saying 7C is the crossover for winter tires - but anyways) I have experience with Bridgestone S-02PP, Toyo T1S, Toyo T1R, and Michelin PS2 on a couple of different cars. The Toyo T1S were hairy in the wet below +5C - very sharp drop off in grip. Haven`t observed the same with Michelin. I think I had the S-02PPs out in closer to -10C one time (since that was a summer-only car with no winter tires) but I was just transporting it and didn`t "try anything".

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    Surly- Thanks for that additional info! This is something I`ll need to get right when I finally pull the trigger on new tires for the Crown Vic, don`t want to have an unpleasant surprise when really pushing the envelope, especially in the wet.

    Gotta say that the first generation of the Michelin Pilot A/S was an incredibly good tire (at least on that model of car) and not just for an A/S, not just great grip and braking performance, but nice gradual break-away behavior..just so easy to drive right at the edge. Absolutely *faultless* in the wet. One of the few vehicle/tire combos that I was 100% satisfied with.

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    I`ve heard a lot of good buzz for the AS3+ on my vehicle. I think I`ll still go summer max performance though.

    On my winter tire situation - WS80 is out of the running since they don`t make it in my size. So it`s between the Michelin PA4 and Nokian Hakkapeliitta R2. Hmmm.

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    Re: Winter Wheels

    Ordered Hakka R2s (sorry, I know this was a wheel thread)

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    Surly...when you get them please give them a review and we can wait for the Winter review and again please you have my curiosity pique
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