The practical differences between single stage paints and a clear coat paints

[Mike Phillips]

The practical differences between single stage paints and a clear coat paints

I`ve worked on hundreds of cars with single stage paints as well as conducted a number of extreme makeovers where the project car had single stage paint and below I`ll outline some of the practical differences between single stage paints and clear coat paints. One of the reasons I chose single stage paint for the extreme makeovers was just to give younger detailers a chance to work on single stage paint, usually on very cool cars, this is becoming a more rare opportunity as time passes.

Clearcoat paints were introduced to production cars in the U.S.A. starting in the early 1980`s and since that time the technology has continually improved to create automotive paint systems that will last a long time as well as provide a beautiful finish with great gloss, clarity and shine.

The oldest factory clear coat finish I`ve ever worked on was an all original 1980 Corvette and after that it was an all original 1982 Corvette. Here`s a picture of the 1982 Corvette, I`m still searching my hard drive for a picture of the 1980 Corvette.

All original 1982 Corvette


Since clear coat finishes, or what`s called Basecoat/Clearcoat Paint Systems were introduced and become mainstream, we now have entire generations of people that have only owned cars with what`s called a basecoat/clearcoat paint system; they have never owned, nor worked on a car that has a single stage paint system.

From time to time a new member will join our forum and ask for help removing oxidation from their car`s finish not knowing that the problem with their car`s paint, (basecoat/clearcoat), is not oxidation, but is in fact clearcoat failure.

Clear coat paints, when exposed to too much sun over time and without out proper care will deteriorate throughout the entire matrix or thickness of the clear layer of paint. You can`t fix it by abrading the surface because the problem isn`t just on the surface, it`s throughout the entire layer of paint. This is called clearcoat failure and the only honest fix is to repaint the affected panels or the entire car.

Clear Coat Failure



The primary problem most people experience with the clearcoat finish on their car is swirls. Swirls are actually scratches in the paint and besides being ugly and unsightly, they block your view of the color coat under the clear coat.

Swirls can be removed because they are topical, that is like oxidation the swirls are in the upper surface of the layer of clear paint and all you have to do is use a compound or a paint cleaner and remove a little paint from off the surface, which will act to level or flatten out the surface again. See the below thread for more information.

What it means to remove swirls, scratches and water spots out of automotive clear coats


Single stage paints like the type of paint that came on a 1965 Mustang will oxidize and the problem can be fixed because like swirls, the problem is topical and isolated to just the upper surface of the paint. The way you fix oxidation is to abrade or remove just a little bit of paint off the surface to expose a fresh layer of paint or what we call a fresh base.

Top: 1965 Mustang with single stage finish. Bottom: 2009 Mustang with a basecoat/clearcoat finish.



Classic cars with oxidized single stage paints are easy to fix, (in my opinion), as well as fun to work on, (again, just my opinion).


The thing to understand is that there`s a huge difference between these two types of paint systems; the good news is you can usually fix true oxidation but the bad news is in most cases once a clearcoat finish deteriorates to what we call clearcoat failure there`s really nothing you can do to permanently fix the problem and restore a nice looking finish that will hold up over time. Usually you have to repaint the affected sections or repaint the entire car, or learn to live with the problem.


Single stage paints will tend to be messier because whatever color of the paint is will be transferred to all your microfiber polishing cloths as well as to your buffing pads and this worries some people. There`s nothing to be worried about. In most cases, washing your polishing cloths and buffing pads will remove most of the transferred pigment but not all of it however there`s nothing to worry about as your polishing cloths and buffing pads can still be used for a future detailing session.,



Here`s the practical difference

Single Stage Paints
The problem with single stage paints is oxidation as they oxidize very easily. Single stage paints still get swirls and scratches however in the real world the noticeable problem is the dullness and fading by oxidation.

Oxidation Before



After removing oxidation



Clear Coat Paints
The problems with clear coat paints is swirls and scratches as they oxidize very slowly. Clear coat paints will oxidize but in the real world the noticeable problem will be swirls and scratches. When you work on your own car or a customer`s car your primary goal will be to remove swirls.

Swirls Before


After removing swirls



The best tool for either type of paint when it comes to restoring a show car finish will be an electric polisher like one of these,

Dual Action Polishers - Free Rotating Spindle Assembly
Porter Cable 7424XP
Griot`s Garage Random Orbital Polisher
Meguiar`s G110v2

Hybrid Dual Action Polishers - Direct Drive - Forced Oscillation & Rotation
Flex 3401 Forced Rotation Dual Action Orbital Polisher

Rotary Buffers - Direct Drive - Rotation
Flex 3403 Lightweight Rotary Buffer
DeWalt 849 Rotary Buffer
Makita 92227c Rotary Buffer
Flex LK603VVB Rotary Buffer


Of course you can work by hand if you want to but most people find it very difficult and very time consuming to try to remove swirls by hand due to the hardness factor of clear coat paints. (See below for more on paint hardness)

Also check out the time difference to remove the swirls to machine quality results by hand as compared to how long it took to get the same results by machine.

Man versus Machine






Final Results from the Man versus Machine Test

• The surface prep steps by Hand: 1 hour and 45 minutes
• The surface prep steps Machine: 30 minutes.

That`s a difference of 1 hour and 15 minutes for one half of a hood done by hand versus machine.



Paint Hardness

Clear Coats
The hardness of a clear coat finish is determined by primarily the type of resin used to make the clear paint and then by a number of other factors like whether it`s catalyzed or not and also the type of hardeners used, types of solvents used, other additives as well as the drying or baking process used.

Single Stage
The hardness of single stage paints is also determined by primarily the type of resin used to make the paint but also by the type of pigment used to give the paint color. Different pigments in and of themselves can be soft or hard and thus alter the resin, (that`s the paint), to make it either softer or harder. Here`s an article that discusses this at length I wrote back in 2004

A Lesson From White Paint

While you`ll often times find threads on discussion forums that generalize the hardness or softness of entire manufactures lines of cars, trucks and s.u.v.`s, it`s really not a good idea to generalize this aspect of a car. A better idea is to push away from the keyboard and actually go out into your garage and work on your car and determine on your own if your car`s paint is hard or soft.


Summary
Because generally speaking, most single stage paints are softer than modern clear coat paints and because the before and after differences are so dramatic with a single stage paint as compared to most before and after differences for a clear coat finish, a lot of people find restoring a show car shine to a classic car with a single stage paint to be easier, more fun and usually more rewarding even though it will tend to be messier.

Because generally speaking modern clear coat paints tend to be harder than traditional single stage paints, it will usually require a person to focus more on the task at hand in order to get show car results as well as shrink their work area down to a smaller size. Luckily electric polishers will take a lot of the work out of the swirl removal step.


Closing thoughts...
If after reading all the above you`re wondering,

If single stage paints tend to be more user-friendly to work on for the average person, why do car manufactures spray them with basecoat/clearcoat paint systems?

Good question!

The primary reason the OEM industry, (OEM means, Original Equipment Manufacture, which in this case the equipment is a car or truck), switched paint systems was due to new laws and regulations from the EPA and other government regulatory agencies. The new basecoat/clearcoat paint systems emit less V.O.C.`s into the air, (V.O.C.`s means Volatile Organic Compounds, which typically means some type of air-borne solvent), and thus supposedly have a less negative impact on the earth.

A benefit to modern basecoat/clearcoat paint technology is that due to the harder resulting finishes and the improved resin technology modern bc/cc finishes will tend to last longer over the service life of a car as compared to the time period a single stage paint would last on a new cars built before the early 1980`s

Don`t make the common mistake of confusing the words I wrote above that state last longer to mean look good longer because you can have a clear coat finish with swirls that are ugly and the paint can still last a long time although it won`t look good over that long time.

[tuscarora dave]

Mike, I really enjoy reading your threads. They are so informative and very well writen. Thank you for all your hard work in sharing them, TD

[Beemerboy]

Thanks Mike

Having cut my teeth on SS I love working with it, it can be an art to get right

[TRAKPAK]

youdman. great article. thanks 4 sharing your expertice.

[JaredPointer]

Question -

If a vehicle has a so called single stage paint (i.e. no clear has been applied over the color) what would account for not having any color transfer on pads when doing polishing work.

I have apparently gotten it on good authority that Toyota Tundra vehicles in a non metallic color do NOT have a clear coat applied. My guess is the paint is some sort of two part epoxy mix, but I`d like to hear from you on this one. I know I have worked on a couple of newer Toyota paints in red, white and black and they all apparently have no clear coat (at least according to the Toyota customer service relation person who Emailed a guy on the Tundra board I frequent).

It`s interesting to say the least.... Looking for answers on this.

[Mike Phillips]

Question -

If a vehicle has a so called single stage paint (i.e. no clear has been applied over the color) what would account for not having any color transfer on pads when doing polishing work.

If the paint is a single stage paint with no clear applied over it and you`re not seeing any transfer of pigment at all, the only thing I can think of is the polish is very, very light, the paint is very hard and in absolute excellent condition, of your application material and process are so gentle that together with a very light polish and paint in excellent condition you`re not pulling any color.

This is absolutely possible by the way but you can check by rubbing a more aggressive product onto the paint in an inconspicuous area and then check to see if you`re pulling color.

Common sense would dictate that if you rub something aggressive over the paint and see no color at all then there must be some kind of clear coating or interface laying on top of the color coat, nothing else makes sense.

[JaredPointer]

If the paint is a single stage paint with no clear applied over it and you`re not seeing any transfer of pigment at all, the only thing I can think of is the polish is very, very light, the paint is very hard and in absolute excellent condition, of your application material and process are so gentle that together with a very light polish and paint in excellent condition you`re not pulling any color.

This is absolutely possible by the way but you can check by rubbing a more aggressive product onto the paint in an inconspicuous area and then check to see if you`re pulling color.

Common sense would dictate that if you rub something aggressive over the paint and see no color at all then there must be some kind of clear coating or interface laying on top of the color coat, nothing else makes sense.

Thanks Mike. Ongoing discussion at another board just makes me wonder.... (mostly about misinformed consumers and bad info from someone who doesn`t know the difference at Toyota) There is some info from Toyota that states that all non-metallic Tundras do not have clearcoat. I`ve yet to do a recent model Toyota truck that didn`t have a clearcoat applied. While I have seen some late model single stage jobs, I just haven`t seen it on the Toyotas I`ve been privy to.

[Mike Phillips]

There is some info from Toyota that states that all non-metallic Tundras do not have clearcoat.

I`ve yet to do a recent model Toyota truck that didn`t have a clearcoat applied. While I have seen some late model single stage jobs, I just haven`t seen it on the Toyotas I`ve been privy to.

Hard to tell sometimes without testing...

How to Test for Single Stage or Clear Coat Paint