Which steam cleaner do you recommend - Daimer vs Dupray Tosca vs VX5000?

[mleun481]

I`m considering a steam cleaner for detailing my car and also for household use. I`m not a professional detailer but am willing to spend the money for quality. As of today, they all offer free shipping. Given the prices and quality of each one, which one is the best value? Any other brands/models that should be short listed? Thanks



VX5000 ($795)

Steam Cleaner - Steam Cleaners - Vapor Cleaner - Commercial Steam Cleaners



Daimer KleenJet Pro Plus 200S ($887)

Commercial Vapor Steam Cleaners - Daimer KleenJet PRO PLUS 250S



Dupray Tosca Steam Cleaner ($996)

Tosca Commercial Strength Vapor Steam Cleaner from Dupray

[C. Charles Hahn]

I just recently picked up a Dupray Hill Injection and after using it a few times now I have to say, it`s an absolutely FANTASTIC machine. Worth every penny, and a huge departure from the typical consumer grade steamers on the market.



That being the case, I wouldn`t hesitate to jump on the Tosca if you`re on a tighter budget.

[Accumulator]

Huh, the "Steam Box" model from Dupray appears to be absolutely identical to the Daimer 1500C that I have, but Tosca lists a *very* much higher output pressure :think:



mleun481- Welcome to Autopia!



Whatever you go with, I`d get one with higher specs that you think you`ll ever need (voice of experience ).



No complaints with Daimer, though the customer service rep I`ve spoken with had a mighty thick (Eastern European) accent and wasn`t exactly the most humble guy I`ve ever spoken with (that`s OK, I`m not either ).

[mleun481]

I definitely want to avoid the consumer grade steams. I`ll be using it for the car but being able to use it in the house is a plus. I`ve read from a few places that you should not use a steam cleaner on alloy wheels. That can`t be true - can it?

[imported_DetailDan]

I have the Tosca from Dupray. While I love the machine, their customer service is terrible. I will not buy another product from them. The specs of the Diamer machine looks exactly the same, and for $100 cheaper.

[C. Charles Hahn]

I have the Tosca from Dupray. While I love the machine, their customer service is terrible. I will not buy another product from them. The specs of the Diamer machine looks exactly the same, and for $100 cheaper.

Interesting, what sort of problems have you had with Dupray customer service? My machine is only a couple weeks old and performing perfectly at this point so I haven`t had to deal with them post-sale at all yet.

[Accumulator]

I definitely want to avoid the consumer grade steams. I`ll be using it for the car but being able to use it in the house is a plus. I`ve read from a few places that you should not use a steam cleaner on alloy wheels. That can`t be true - can it?

I`ve used steamers on alloy wheels with zero problems, in fact it wasn`t potent enough so I used other methods. Just be careful if the finish is compromised/flaking/etc. To be honest, I don`t see how people use `em on wheels with great results; I have a potent steamer and my wheels are never all that nasty, but it just doesn`t work out for me.



You just have to be a little careful working on wheels or anything else, and remember that a lot of the caveats are just CYA-type advice. Reminds me of how tire manufacturers said you shouldn`t use a pressure washer to clean wheels because it can mess up the tire beads; that is true, but it`s easy enough to avoid an "oops!" and get away with it if you`re careful. Heh heh, you can get away with a whole lot of ill-advised steamer applications if you`re careful (and maybe a little lucky).



I *have* used a steamer with good results on (cad plated) brake calipers, funny that it worked on them but not on the wheels, huh? :nixweiss



BTW, it was those calipers that convinced me to get the good Daimer steamer (model 1500C). My other one has only *slightly* lower specs but it just couldn`t do the job. Incredible diff between the two machines, espeically considering how close those specs are!



And ya know..when somebody says they had awful customer service from a steamer company, I`d stay away! Steamers can have issues, issues that you`ll want to DIY instead of shipping it off, and I`d sure want to deal with OK folks when that happens. The guy at Daimer might be kinda full of himself, but that was OK by me; he *is* the expert and his advice was spot-on. Hey, I can be full of myself too :chuckle:

[Greg Gellas]

I don`t know of any other detailers using them but I have a Polti steamer basically its the 2085 just an older version. It has never failed me, and it takes a beating too. Might look into one of them

[DaVinci Detail]

OP, why do you want to avoid comsumer grade steamers?



I have a Wagner unit that I paid $99 for and it does a great job. Granted, not as fast as those big commercial units, but you mentioned it`s for your car and house. Am I missing something, seems like overkill.

[Accumulator]

OP, why do you want to avoid comsumer grade steamers?



I have a Wagner unit that I paid $99 for and it does a great job. Granted, not as fast as those big commercial units, but you mentioned it`s for your car and house. Am I missing something, seems like overkill.

The reasons why I try to steer people away from consumer-grade steamers are:



-I`ve had them fail in ways that resulted in scalding of the user

-I`ve had them fail in the middle of jobs where the steamer was utterly essential

-I`ve encountered numerous situations where a steamer of low/moderate power simply couldn`t do the job regardless of how long it was employed



All that said, I`ll hop over to the other side of the fence and say that:



-As you`re saying, they can work great for some people, satisfaction with a steamer depends on a lot of things

-My father had a little Steam Buggy unit that he was utterly thrilled with, and it never let him down

-If somebody`s never gonna spend big bucks on a steamer, a less expensive one can sure be better than no steamer at all

[mleun481]

For me, I`ve had less expensive steamers (forgot the brand) that didn`t really have the power to me. If theres a steamer thats good enough for the professional detailer and affordable, then it should be good enough for me. I am not running a detailing business but like many others, I take my detailing seriously and just want the best that I can get. If I get a consumer grade steamer and then post that its not meeting my expectations, I will bet someone will say thats what you get for getting a consumer grade steamer. Or, why would you expect a consumer grade product to be the same as an industrial grade one. (or something to that effect).

[pingable]

Can`t really compose my thoughts, but here goes.

Had the VX.

Have the Hill Injection.

Love alot of things about the hill injection.

Some things seem like a afterthought like their *bumper rubber* that is on the unit.

Water Injection is pretty badass - I just used it on my Miele laundry washer...

I actually bought it cause I LOVED at 1st sight their floor mop attachment. It`s AMAZING on wood floors and that one was def. a industrial/commerical spec design. Less plastic, more metal

[bobwires]

I have noticed in the specs that the industrial units, say an Optima, have a lot higher pressure. When you go from 72 to 145 psi, how big of a difference is that in time-per-vehicle?



Is the $5000 industrial unit worth it in time saved compared to the $1000 commercial models?

[Accumulator]

I have noticed in the specs that the industrial units, say an Optima, have a lot higher pressure. When you go from 72 to 145 psi, how big of a difference is that in time-per-vehicle?

That`d be a huge difference! Just going from ~75 to ~90 was enough of a diff to move from "can`t do the job" to "works really well".

Is the $5000 industrial unit worth it in time saved compared to the $1000 commercial models?

Eh, not sure how anybody can anwer that one for you :think: What are you planning to do with it?

[bobwires]

We detail a couple cars a day at the busiest time of year. It`s a small part of my overall business. $5k a month or so



We have TONS of road tar, and run out of water sometimes. I think a steamer will be the way to go.