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Water marks on the interior
On the shade to cover the rear cargo area, I have brown water marks on the underside on the shade. The top is made from some kind of vinyl, while the other side is made from a different material. Almost cloth like.
Is there a way to remove the brown water marks with damaging the material or glue?
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Could it be the dye from the vinyl that have stained the weave under it. Since you mentioned that it`s brown stained I`m wondering what kind of stain it is if it is water spots that`s of minerals useally. Then you can have some dirt looking like water spots. Do you have any idea of what this cover has covered? Or if it has been laying outside with water on the inside of it or something like that.
You could try a water spot remover which useally is not desolveing glue. Then it`s more about what happens when you start to aggitate the weave part of the cover if the glue is already brittle and dry. Likewise if you put a PW to clean with it can be to aggressive to this side. If the cover has been rolled up for a long time I think that it`s going to be very hard to get it really cleaned up.
I would start with a mild APC and spray on where it`s not visible when you rolling up the cover. And let it dwell so it don`t dries and rinse it off very thoroughly with the hose. Look if it`s able to be desolveing some of the dirt on the rinse water. Let it dry and you can blowdry it to speed it up a little. And look so you don`t make it worse and also if you get an improvement on the stains. If you see it works you can use a softer brush to aggitate it with or if you have an old wash mitt. You can saturate the section you are cleaning after the dwell time with more APC and use the wash mitt to aggitate it with in combo with a soft brush. Rinse it off and dry and inspect it. You can use a water spot remover on a test spot to see if it works for you. With all chemicals don`t let them dry and rinse them off before they do. Stay away from tar remover and the bug & tar removers and any other stronger solvents as they want to desolve the glue.
/ Tony
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carnage- Any idea where the "brown" came from, like...what it was that imparted that color to the waterspots?
I`d probably approach it like a low-nap carpet or an oriental rug, using an extractor.
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Perhaps, you have waterspots - under - the retractable cargo cover because of excess moisture directly under it, or somehow water/something wet, got somehow directly vertical from the cargo carpet area and hit the underside??
I agree with Tony, try a mild apc on 1 spot carefully and see what comes off on a white towel..
Good luck with this..
Dan F
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The water marks are from when it raining out and more so when there snow on the roof, I open the cargo door, all the snow falls onto the cargo shade. I clean the snow off the shade but don`t wipe it dry. Then the water sits on the shade all day. Next day there`ll be ice. I know, I should keep a microfiber cloth in the SUV.
The brown water marks I guess it from what is in between the 2 material, black vinyl on top, some kind of white cloth on the bottom. My guess would be some kind of cardboard in the middle of the 2 materials, to grab onto open and close the shade. Then there 2 plastic pieces on the outer edge to lock the shade in the open position to hide what in the cargo area. From a Google search, It`s called a cargo cover.
I don`t know how to post pictures on a forum yet, if anyone is wondering.
Can APC damage the glue holding the material on?
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Would Hydrogen Peroxide work, on the water spots?
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Carnage- Thanks for explaining...I`ll spare you the obvious "don`t let it stay wet like that!" lecture ;) I`d still approach it like an Oriental Rug, with some kind of Interior Cleaner/APC and either the white cotton towel or an extractor. Fingers crossed that it`s something that will clean up.
I`d be careful with the Hydrogen Peroxide lest it bleach things whiter than you want (no idea whether that`s really a valid concern, but better safe than sorry).
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Carnage,
Thanks for helping us understand how moisture got in there from the get-go..
Yeah, you need to really keep that cargo cover dry, whenever it gets wet..
I believe that the insert between the top and bottom of that cargo cover might be a type of fiberboard material, that could be soaking through and now you see what that looks like from the bottom, unfortunately..
What APC are you planning on using on the spots ? I don`t believe it will hurt the glue if you don`t soak the heck out of it and cause that board to absorb a lot of it.. But it also may make the issue worse, if it indeed is caused by too much moisture in the board..
I always like to approach these challenges with using something really small on a small spot, to see what kind of reaction I get..
You will always be better using something white, so that you can see what -color- is coming off from that test spot.. 1 - Q-tip even, but a small, white, clean, no dang fabric softeners, etc., in it, just a white clean, towel for application and removal, is what I would do if your vehicle was in my Shop..
I also vote -No- on using any type of hydrogen peroxide/ bleach on there..
You are making progress ! Keep going forward ! We are here to help !
Dan F
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Accumulator
Carnage- Thanks for explaining...I`ll spare you the obvious "don`t let it stay wet like that!" lecture ;) I`d still approach it like an Oriental Rug, with some kind of Interior Cleaner/APC and either the white cotton towel or an extractor. Fingers crossed that it`s something that will clean up.
I`d be careful with the Hydrogen Peroxide lest it bleach things whiter than you want (no idea whether that`s really a valid concern, but better safe than sorry).
I get a little lazy about my car, so things get neglected.
Since you mentioned rugs, how about Folex? It`s supposed to to mild.
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Stokdgs
Carnage,
Thanks for helping us understand how moisture got in there from the get-go..
Yeah, you need to really keep that cargo cover dry, whenever it gets wet..
I believe that the insert between the top and bottom of that cargo cover might be a type of fiberboard material, that could be soaking through and now you see what that looks like from the bottom, unfortunately..
What APC are you planning on using on the spots ? I don`t believe it will hurt the glue if you don`t soak the heck out of it and cause that board to absorb a lot of it.. But it also may make the issue worse, if it indeed is caused by too much moisture in the board..
I always like to approach these challenges with using something really small on a small spot, to see what kind of reaction I get..
You will always be better using something white, so that you can see what -color- is coming off from that test spot.. 1 - Q-tip even, but a small, white, clean, no dang fabric softeners, etc., in it, just a white clean, towel for application and removal, is what I would do if your vehicle was in my Shop..
I also vote -No- on using any type of hydrogen peroxide/ bleach on there..
You are making progress ! Keep going forward ! We are here to help !
Dan F
I believe the cover is water proof/resistance. I think the water is getting in through the seams, where it`s sewn.
The APC I was planning on using was Optimum OPC, Britemax Grime Out, or Meguiars D101. I don`t know which one or what dilution ratio I should start off with.
Instead of a Q-Tip, what about a cotton ball or a 2" round white facial pad? If things goes smoothly I thought about the Kiwi leather brush to agitate the cleaner, then wipe dry with a white microfiber cloth.
If water made the brown spots, would spraying the cleaner have the same effect? Even though I`m using a microfiber to dry.
When drying do a blot it the cloth or wipe dry, side to side motion?
Does drying have a be as delicate as possible, so the material does come loose?
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carnage
Since you mentioned rugs, how about Folex? It`s supposed to to mild.
I`ve never tried it, but I`m sure somebody here has.
I honestly don`t know how to answer your other Qs as it`s hard to know just what`s really going on. I`d just pick one area for a test-spot and try something.
The Q-tip would be very small so if things go haywire it should`t be a huge complication.
Blotting would generally be good but in practice I bet you`ll find that just takes way too long to be effective. I`d want to rinse the cleaner out. I suppose a damp cloth (I`d probably use cotton instead of MF) might do it, but I`m all about using extractors so I can`t really say.
No idea whether any liquid will cause the stains, but I`d tend to doubt it. Also no idea whether drying it with applied heat/etc. would cause damage.
It`s just really hard to predict what`ll happen with something like this unless/until you`ve done it.
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Accumulator
I`ve never tried it, but I`m sure somebody here has.
I honestly don`t know how to answer your other Qs as it`s hard to know just what`s really going on. I`d just pick one area for a test-spot and try something.
The Q-tip would be very small so if things go haywire it should`t be a huge complication.
Blotting would generally be good but in practice I bet you`ll find that just takes way too long to be effective. I`d want to rinse the cleaner out. I suppose a damp cloth (I`d probably use cotton instead of MF) might do it, but I`m all about using extractors so I can`t really say.
No idea whether any liquid will cause the stains, but I`d tend to doubt it. Also no idea whether drying it with applied heat/etc. would cause damage.
It`s just really hard to predict what`ll happen with something like this unless/until you`ve done it.
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I just brought the cover in the house to work on it better, plus to warm it up a little, 40 degrees right now.
There`s no turning back if something goes wrong. I`m thinking of trying some hand soap first, mild approach, then Folex, last will be the APC. For some reason I keep thinking about the old cloth headliner that keeps on falling down.
For drying I`m thinking about blotting it dry with a microfiber cloth then put it near the baseboard heat overnight.
Hopefully it`s good enough, to get it clean without any damage.
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carnage- I`d put it pretty far away from the baseboard heat source so it doesn`t undergo some kind of shrinkage. And I don`t think I`d use the hand soap, I`d just use a more diluted version of the Folex/APC..but that`s just me.
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Accumulator
carnage- I`d put it pretty far away from the baseboard heat source so it doesn`t undergo some kind of shrinkage. And I don`t think I`d use the hand soap, I`d just use a more diluted version of the Folex/APC..but that`s just me.
To late, I tried hand soap. It did nothing. I also tried a eco friendly APC, nothing. The last thing a tried was Meguiars D101 at 4 to 1. I tried it first with a Q-tip, cotton ball, leather brush, with no damage I then tried a soft bristle scrub brush. No damage from scrubbing. While scrubbing the foam stood white.
After I was done scrubbing I used a damp microfiber cloth with water for the final wipe down, followed by a dry cloth.
It should dry out just being in the house over night, instead of being outside. It`s drying kind of quicker than I thought without the heat bring on.
As it drying it look like it`s only a 15% improvement. I look better tomorrow when I put it back in the SUV.
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carnage- Well, at least you`re not messing it up, but that "15%" improvement must be kinda disappointing. At least it`s all on the underside, which doesn`t show, right?
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carnage
I don`t know how to post pictures on a forum yet, if anyone is wondering.
Tapatalk is your friend for posting photos.
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Accumulator
carnage- Well, at least you`re not messing it up, but that "15%" improvement must be kinda disappointing. At least it`s all on the underside, which doesn`t show, right?
Since it`s been 2 days of drying. The water marks hasn`t gotten any better. It`s lighter than what I first started with. I wish I could remove more of the water marks.
Most important part is nothing got damage. Plus being on the under side of the cover no one is going to see the marks, unless they`re looking for something or straight at the water marks.
It was a learning experience on cleaning the cover plus I learn not to be lazy and wipe up the water right away.
Thanks to Accumulator and Stokdgs, for all the advice and everyone who answer my questions.
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The Guz
Tapatalk is your friend for posting photos.
Would I need something like Photobucket for hosting pictures to use Tapatalk?
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carnage
Would I need something like Photobucket for hosting pictures to use Tapatalk?
Nope.
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carnage
It was a learning experience on cleaning the cover plus I learn not to be lazy and wipe up the water right away..
Funny how you can/can`t get away with different things...stuff you`d never expect to be a problem ends up being like this...live and learn.
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Accumulator
Funny how you can/can`t get away with different things...stuff you`d never expect to be a problem ends up being like this...live and learn.
Learned my lesson. The cover/shade is staying closed all winter.
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Learned my lesson. The cover/shade is staying closed all winter.
I guess I`ve always removed them for the dogs and thus never gave their care any real thought. Sure wouldn`t have expected issues like those stains!
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Accumulator
I guess I`ve always removed them for the dogs and thus never gave their care any real thought. Sure wouldn`t have expected issues like those stains!
The cover is water resistant but I forgot about the seams. Along the seams is all water marks. Then there`s the water run off when I unhooked the cover, let it hang in the cargo area, then let the water drip off. Now there`s water mark where the run off was.
When I went to a dealership looking at another SUV the first thing the salesperson did in the cargo area is look under the the cargo cover for water marks. She replied most SUV has the water marks, it`s a common thing.
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carnage
When I went to a dealership looking at another SUV the first thing the salesperson did in the cargo area is look under the the cargo cover for water marks. She replied most SUV has the water marks, it`s a common thing.
Heh heh, another version of "they`re all like that" huh?
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Accumulator
Heh heh, another version of "they`re all like that" huh?
It`s part of living in New England, snowy winter. Most people keep there snow removal tool in the cargo area (if it`s a SUV) so if there`s 2 feet of snow on the roof once the cargo door opens the snow comes down like a a avalanche. Nice mess to clean up afterwards.
My previous SUV I always kept the cover closed. When it came time to trade it in I had a clean cover with no water marks.
Since I tried a APC with higher PH what do you think about something acidic like vinegar?
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carnage
It`s part of living in New England, snowy winter. Most people keep there snow removal tool in the cargo area (if it`s a SUV) so if there`s 2 feet of snow on the roof once the cargo door opens the snow comes down like a a avalanche. Nice mess to clean up afterwards...
Heh heh, the things people do...I`ve been driving station wagons/SUVs/etc. since forever and I can`t recall *ever* doing that.
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My previous SUV I always kept the cover closed. When it came time to trade it in I had a clean cover with no water marks.
There you go, at least if you don`t need to conceal something. I just take the covers out, stand them in the corner of the garage office behind the door..out of sight/out of mind, never think of `em until I dispose of the vehicle. The one from the Tahoe has been there since the day it arrived.
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Since I tried a APC with higher PH what do you think about something acidic like vinegar?
I think it`ll be a waste of time, and that you could end up spending more time getting the vinegar scent gone ;) But hey, might be worth trying on some limited area that you can easily rinse out.
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Accumulator
Heh heh, the things people do...I`ve been driving station wagons/SUVs/etc. since forever and I can`t recall *ever* doing that.
I think part of it is there`s a spoiler on the cargo door. The spoiler acts like a shelf for the snow to sit on.
Part of last snow season I kept the a SnoBrum in the house. When I clean the SUV from snow I start with the roof first. This way I can avoid a avalanche, then I will get my snow brush with scraper out of the cargo area. I will see my neighbor using snow shovel to snow off.
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There you go, at least if you don`t need to conceal something. I just take the covers out, stand them in the corner of the garage office behind the door..out of sight/out of mind, never think of `em until I dispose of the vehicle. The one from the Tahoe has been there since the day it arrived.
Around here It`s a good to conceal what you have in the cargo area. To many noisy people, plus I don`t want to go outside to a broken window. Some people may think that there something hidden under the cover and may break in anyway. Can`t win.
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I think it`ll be a waste of time, and that you could end up spending more time getting the vinegar scent gone ;) But hey, might be worth trying on some limited area that you can easily rinse out.
I also thought about using Windex with Ammonia. The amount of Ammonia in Windex should be minimal.
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carnage- Yeah, I hear you on the PERsonal SECurity issue, good on you for recognizing when you need to keep things covered up. Between that and the winter weather you *do* have a challenge there!
And heh heh..yeah, the PO of my `93 Audi cleared the snow off it with a snowshovel too, when not using an old broom :rolleyes: The resulting damage is forever :(
The Windex might be worth trying, and I wouldn`t worry about it damaging things especially since you`re likely to be really careful about it.
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Accumulator
carnage- Yeah, I hear you on the PERsonal SECurity issue, good on you for recognizing when you need to keep things covered up. Between that and the winter weather you *do* have a challenge there!
And heh heh..yeah, the PO of my `93 Audi cleared the snow off it with a snowshovel too, when not using an old broom :rolleyes: The resulting damage is forever :(
The Windex might be worth trying, and I wouldn`t worry about it damaging things especially since you`re likely to be really careful about it.
I had my car broken into a few times. I used to be into car audio equipment.
I know the damage is done to the cover but I may experiment with what I have. Like with Windex or cleaning the glass with alcohol based glass cleaner, I may try it on the cover, or just wiping down the interior with 1Z Cockpit Premium I probably try the 1Z on the cover. Worth a shot.
My neighbor would scrape the ice off the paint with a shovel to. Just like when they`re drying the car, they would start drying the wheels first then the paint.
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carnage- Man, that`d be awful, having your car broken into like that...only happened to me once, back in the `70s.
If something *does* work on the cover, I bet somebody else here will appreciate hearing about it.
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Accumulator
carnage- Man, that`d be awful, having your car broken into like that...only happened to me once, back in the `70s.
My neighbor, across the street she woke up to her car being on blocks with all rims and tires gone. She wasn`t thrilled about it.
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If something *does* work on the cover, I bet somebody else here will appreciate hearing about it.
If I find something that work I`ll post a update. I thinking about trying OxiClean.
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carnage- Oh man, sorry you have to live in such an area :(
And FWIW, I`m constantly amazed by how well Oxiclean works. Not sure it it`ll help in this case, but yeah..give it a try!
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carnage- Oh man, sorry you have to live in such an area :(
And FWIW, I`m constantly amazed by how well Oxiclean works. Not sure it it`ll help in this case, but yeah..give it a try!
It`s not a bad neighborhood. What happen to my neighbor car, plus mine was well over 15 years ago. I haven`t heard or seen cars being broken into since.
Which OxiClean do you use? The powder or spray bottle.
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carnage- Well, props to you for still taking precautions even though your area hasn`t had those issues for a while.
I get the OxiClean powder, usually in the biggest tub when it`s on sale...lasts forever (with my soft water I don`t need much) and I`ll *never* get over the diff between using it/not. I always thought "snake oil!" until I inherited some and thought I`d use up the "worthless crap" only to find that it really *is* good stuff (well, IME..thinking how YMMV always applies).
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carnage- Well, props to you for still taking precautions even though your area hasn`t had those issues for a while.
My neighborhood still have someone tries to cause issues,occasionally.
Going to one of my friends house, seeing how he takes extra precaution when he leaves kind of rubbed off on me.
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I get the OxiClean powder, usually in the biggest tub when it`s on sale...lasts forever (with my soft water I don`t need much) and I`ll *never* get over the diff between using it/not. I always thought "snake oil!" until I inherited some and thought I`d use up the "worthless crap" only to find that it really *is* good stuff (well, IME..thinking how YMMV always applies).
I inherited a tub to. I tried it on jeans with grass stains. I don`t know if it did anything that washing in Tide couldn`t do.
Have you tried it on white colored clothes? If so, did you notice any improve whitening over using just bleach?
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carnage
I inherited a tub..[of OxiClean].. to. I tried it on jeans with grass stains. I don`t know if it did anything that washing in Tide couldn`t do.
Have you tried it on white colored clothes? If so, did you notice any improve whitening over using just bleach?
Adding the OxiClean definitely perks up my Tide and even my Persil; we noticed that the loads my wife was doing weren`t coming out nearly as nice as mine, and that was the diff.
I`m kinda careful about what whites I use bleach on; it`ll trash a lot of my white clothing (the tags really do say "use non-chlorine bleach only" for a reason ;) ), but I do use it on white household/shop/dog towels, and the OxiClean works just about as well. I`m only qualifying that with "just about" since YMMV, I can`t tell a diff between the two normally, not unless I`m trying to remove some awful set-in stain, in which case the bleach *might* work better but I try the OxiClean first. In fact, come to think of it, I haven`t used my bleach for months even though the dog towels get really nasty sometimes.
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I`m kinda careful about what whites I use bleach on; it`ll trash a lot of my white clothing (the tags really do say "use non-chlorine bleach only" for a reason ;) ), but I do use it on white household/shop/dog towels, and the OxiClean works just about as well. I`m only qualifying that with "just about" since YMMV, I can`t tell a diff between the two normally, not unless I`m trying to remove some awful set-in stain, in which case the bleach *might* work better but I try the OxiClean first. In fact, come to think of it, I haven`t used my bleach for months even though the dog towels get really nasty sometimes.
I have to do lab coats. The label reads, dry clean only. I wash it in bleach anyway. The worst area are the sleeves cuffs since they`re are huge, that they get drag onto everything. I also walk around outside with white socks on that get stained easily.
I was thinking about buying OxiClean in the spray bottle then spraying the area with OxiClean to pre-treat the stained area. Then wash the coats without the use of bleach.
Do you know if their any issue using OxiClean along with bleach?
I inherited the tub when OxyClean first came out. Have OxiClean updated the formula since?
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carnage- I`ve never noticed any problems from mixing the OxiClean and bleach, but you might oughta be a little cautious about it anyhow.
And yeah..lots of "dry clean only" textiles do OK with (the right kind of) laundering, at least cotton ones seem to once you get past the shrinkage.
I wouldn`t buy the OxiClean in liquid form though, as I suspect it`s a lot cheaper to buy the powder and mix it up yourself. I could be wrong though..
And no, I dunno whether they`ve tweaked the formula, but it still seems to work the same for me and the stuff I inherited was from the `90s.
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Accumulator
carnage- I`ve never noticed any problems from mixing the OxiClean and bleach, but you might oughta be a little cautious about it anyhow.
And yeah..lots of "dry clean only" textiles do OK with (the right kind of) laundering, at least cotton ones seem to once you get past the shrinkage.
I wouldn`t buy the OxiClean in liquid form though, as I suspect it`s a lot cheaper to buy the powder and mix it up yourself. I could be wrong though..
And no, I dunno whether they`ve tweaked the formula, but it still seems to work the same for me and the stuff I inherited was from the `90s.
When I go shopping over the weekend I`m going to pick up a small tub to try out. See if the OxiClean is any different than before.
Thanks a lot for all the information, opinions, and help!
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When I go shopping over the weekend I`m going to pick up a small tub to try out. See if the OxiClean is any different than before.
Thanks a lot for all the information, opinions, and help!
Well, heh heh...don`t thank me yet, let`s see how it works for you first! This stuff is just *so* YMMV...