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...less aggressive pad, more aggressive polish.
Using somewhat standard items for hypothetical situation (Menzerna & LC pads), if you`re about to begin some test sections and are hoping to hit the winning combo the first time, whatcha start with:
- Menz 2400 on white polishing pad
or
- Menz 3500 on orange light cutting pad
????
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For me this would depend on the condition of the clear coat. How much correction I am wanting to achieve. Will an AIO do the job with a cutting pad? Is the clear coat hard or soft. Am I dealing with single stage or a clear coat. I find hypothetical questions or situations difficult to answer
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Just trying to gauge what `first instinct` would be. Say a 1 year old GM sedan, dark blue metallic paint, in generally good condition, typical dealer/tunnel wash swirls, nothing really deep, 1 polishing step should do the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster906
Gonna end up doing a few test sections to compare and someone offers $100 if it turns out your first section proves to be most effective.
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Are you going to try an AIO like HD SPEED or KLASSE
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Nah, lets suppose this car is gonna get a dedicated LSP, coating or sealant or we just wanna get it looking nice. Doesn`t need compounding, not that many defects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster906
So you have correction to do.
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I would try an AIO first. If the AIO did not have the cut with a heavy cutting pad, I would move to a cutting compound.Quote:
Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1
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I would even consider HC400 with a white pad. On a couple GM paints that worked fairly well for me.
Are they offering $100 just for the test spot? Hehe
If I had only one choice then probably scholl s20+ on scholl blue spider pad.
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Lake Country HydroTech Orange pad with Menzerna 3800, did a 2004 Taurus that was very well cared for
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I have no actual vehicle in mind nor products; just kinda wondering to achieve a certain level of finish does one have a preference for trying a more aggressive pad OR a more aggressive product; i.e. would your first inclination be to have the pad do the work or the liquid?
I start light and work the direction of the results achieved with product and pad used
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I would *ALWAYS* expect to be happier with a harsh product on a mild pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1
I`ve *NEVER* been satisfied with a mild product on a harsh pad. NEVER. Don`t even try it any more.
My view is that the pad should merely facilitate the optimal performance of the product.
Makes sense...thanks. For this novice, when I look at something for the first time and think "I`m gonna give Product X a try first..." and then think about/start with mild pad and work from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accumulator
Possibly excepting microfiber, was just kinda wondering if anyone comes at it from a different direction. I guess it may come from not knowing (although I got it now) what plays the primary role in correction...the pad or the product.
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Budget
Don`t forget do a test and make sure YOU are happy with it....
I`ve been amazed with what hc400 or bf src compound will finish to with b&s uerofiber pads. But with that said po91e will work well too with the same pads, but it all depends on condition and hardness of the paint. I`ve done 2 chevy cruzes back to back and one had harder clear than the other and only one year apart
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There are many roads that lead to Rome. I do the opposite of Accumulator, with fantastic success. I typically use M205 with a yellow Buff and Shine pad to one step. It gives great results. (I often throw in some Duragloss Squeaky Clean too). One caveat: I soak the pad under hot water first and then squeeze and then spin it damp dry on my rotary at 3000 rpm. That softens it up and helps it finish down beautifully. There are some new compounds like TLC (The Last Compound) that finish down extremely well. If you were going to try it on a softer pad, I think you`d do great using that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accumulator
Richy- See how experiences/preferences differ?!? Never a definitive right/wrong to this stuff.
Heh heh, you mentioned one of my least favorite products ever there...M205 :D Yeah, I know I`m in the minority on that score! Another thing were there`s no real right/wrong!
BudgetPlan1- You mentioned MF pads; IMO those are kinda a wildcard. IIRC, some "cutting" and "polishing" MF pads are basically the same MF. Not that I`ve ever finished out with MF...
Acumulator
I have used Lake Country`s MF finishing pads, they are awesome, while doing a customer`s car, I actually stop my work and sent Dave at Lake Country an email telling him how excellent they are.
atgonzales- Ah, thanks for that info. I`ll keep those on the radar next time I`m buying pads. Generally I do prefer MF, if only because of how easily it cleans out with compressed air.
I too have never used microfiber to finish/polish...always thought of them as the defect killers; will have to get some and give it a try. Like you say, much easier to clean/keep clean with compressed air. Do have some Uro-Fiber pads I ordered a while back but now wanna try the Megs MF Finishers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accumulator
BudgetPlan1- IIRC, it was/is the Meguiar`s MF pads that`re basically the same (cutting/polishing), but I could be wrong. Their Cutting Disks are the only MF pads I`ve ever used (so far).
Our sponsor Autopia is running a 15% off sale if that helps you to try some Lake Country MF Pads.....
Wonder how the LC ones are...my Meg`s MF last for ages despite others having them self-destruct.
Didn`t like the LC microfiber; seemed like they were just a bit smaller than megs; was running billet backing plate on Rupes at the time, not much margin for error.Quote:
Originally Posted by atgonzales
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Heh heh, guess not!Quote:
Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1
I`ve wondered the same question several times. Through my (limited) experience, I think I`ve made the decision both ways too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1
I think, another factor may be whether you`re using diminishing abrasives or not. Something like the Menzerna products will finish out LSP-ready, and so would most AIOs I expect. In that case, you`re going to be running the same pad right down to the final finish. Personally, I`d probably go with the finer pad so the final finish comes out better.
If you`re using non-diminishing abrasives, I might make the opposite decision presuming that your final finish will be with a fine polish on a fine pad.