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Lets talk about shaving
Obviously a touchy subject. Some are perfectionists about it, some just want it done and over with. I`ve never considered myself in the perfectionist about it, but I know a good shave from a bad one. Not much feels better than a great shave. I have somewhat sensitive skin and I`m rarely happy with my shave unless it`s a brand spanking new razor. I`ve never had a straight razor shave and I`d love to learn it, but I`m terrified of the thought. Plus, those razors are crazy expensive, like $120!
Ive owned 2 electrics, a braun and a norelco and hated both. Takes too long, rough on the skin and nowhere near close enough. The Gillette stuff is nice but such a gimmick and crazy expensive. Why does shaving have to cost so much?!
A year or two ago, I stumbled onto a trick to prolong razor blades- wipe them dry after use, hold in rubbing alcohol when not in use, and after the first week strop the blades on a pair of jeans after every 2-3 shaves. Works pretty well, and instead of a week`s worth of use, I could typically get 4-6. I got 8 a couple times but the last week or two was brutal. Even still, the last week or two is noticeably worse, which is understandable.
Im finally able to stomach the cost of shaving, but still not thrilled with my shave.
The ads for Bevel on Facebook got me thinking. I almost signed up until I stopped to think about it- $30 a month for a subscription shaving plan?! Talk about nuts! Especially when you can buy 100 replacement blades for $12, s razor stand for $15, a razor handle for as little as $15(though some are much more, I have no idea why), a soap bowl for $5(or a coffee mug from the cupboard), a brush for as little as $15, and as little or as much as you want on soap and aftershave balm. Do people not actually look at costs before they sign up for this bs?
Being home for Christmas, I had the chance to discuss shaving with my grandfather. He`s a retired marine corps captain who survived 4 tours in Vietnam. If I learned anything from him, it`s grooming- always clean shaved, shoes are polished(it was my job to polish his shoes for church), sideburns are always at the top of the ear and the back neckline is always squared up. Anyway, he just so happened to have a safety razor that he let me try and gave me, along with a package of blades. Will take some practice, but is worth a try. I was surprised he gave it to me, but he`s a huge fan of the Harry`s razor and has no need for it.
How about you guys? Any real shaving aficionados here? What are your tips and secrets you`ve stumbled onto over the years?
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Several of us on here have discussed and still participate in "old school" shaving. There are a couple of threads on here about this very subject. I have a number of straight razors and love them though admittedly I use Merkur double edges day in and day out.
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Just got a bowl of "Art of Shaving" soap for Christmas.
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That art of shaving stuff looks great but way too expensive for regular use, definitely gift worthy!
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This one is a Damascus blade. It`s very interesting.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/attach...id=29326&stc=1
You asked about tips and secrets and I don`t know that I have any but I will say when it comes to shaving soaps, use a good one. Proraso for instance is one that isn`t cost prohibitive but works very well. If you like creams Bath and Body sells a Proraso made shave cream that is called Bigelow. It is the same cream. You can buy it in 3`s and it costs about $6.
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ARKO makes a soap that won`t break the bank either.
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Ah... Damascus steel! As a chef, I`ve got a thing for knives and I`ve seen some gorgeous Damascus steel knives over the years.
How did you learn and work up the courage to do a straight razor shave on yourself?
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I am no shaving conissiuer. I used a Remington electri shaver and a Norelco rotary for a while. I hated the Rotary as it bit my skin. I liked the Remington and it had the foil but you still had to be careful as it would still bite the skin a little. I went back to blades for the last 20+ years. I inherited my dads Schick Injecta razor and soap cup. I also have a bunch of Gillette twin blade disposable razor I bought when they were on sale and with a rebate a few years ago. They seem to last a while. I do get lazy on shaving and have no one to impress on my job so I do go the whole week once in a while without shaving. The twin blades can`t handle a 5 day old beard so that is where the Schick comes in at. I can get 6 or 8 good shaves out of it, probably even as many as 12 but it gets kind of rough on the skin. Never have to worry about plugging it up. Bad thing is even though I am in my 50`s I still get pimples once in a while and that thing will take them off no problem. I can still buy blades for it for under 8 bucks for 7 blades. I don`t buy shave soap but use Gillette sensitive skin shave cream, love the smell and it is cheap like I am.
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jrock645
How did you learn and work up the courage to do a straight razor shave on yourself?
Buy yourself a utilitarian Dovo/Merkur razor, they`re not cheap but like any good knife will last you a lifetime. I haven`t looked for a while but probably about $80. Wide blade and rounded nose is great to begin. You might buy a fancier razor but you won`t get one that is any better. As a Chef you know, keep it sharp. You`ll potentially do a lot more damage with one that doesn`t have an edge. Plan on doing a 2 or even 3 pass shave. Lots of soap is a good thing. Reapply it several times. Then don`t let it rattle you. Start by using your straight edge supplementally. Use your regular gear and then just do your cheeks (big open area) with the straight razor. Once you`ve done it a couple of times it`s just natural to go a little farther next go round before you know it you`ll be doing your whole face. I`ve never even cut myself with one. I can`t say that about a safety razor. ;)
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The razor on the right is one like I would suggest. You can get decent razors with rosewood, zebra or whatever fancy wood scales and they work great but over time the scales will shrink and they`ll crack by the rivets and need to be replaced. You get one with plastic scales and they`ll be around forever.
I have a bunch of brushes but this particular one is probably my best brush. I made a couple of these for myself and my son. I should say I assembled these. You buy the handle and drill it for the size knot you choose, this one is 24 mm. Doing it this way lets you buy an ultra premium knot without paying the name brand prices for essentially a piece of plastic with a company`s logo embossed in the side of it.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/attach...id=29329&stc=1
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I read elsewhere that it`s worth trying a disposable straight razor to see if you really wanna pursue it. For $20, I ordered one. If I like it, I`ll make the investment. No joke, a better shave is a goal of mine in 2016.
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jrock645
I read elsewhere that it`s worth trying a disposable straight razor to see if you really wanna pursue it. For $20, I ordered one. If I like it, I`ll make the investment. No joke, a better shave is a goal of mine in 2016.
There are a couple of Japnese (high tech, go figure) high end replaceable blade straight edges. There supposed to be very nice. I`ve tried replaceable blades and they work just fine but they don`t feel the same as a heavy blade. Not better or worse just different.
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Yeah, i figure it`s not quite the same but it`s a much easier entry price and should give me an idea if I`m comfortable with it or not. If not, no big loss.
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My acquisition disorder is just as bad with shaving as is car care.
I never travel without my Merkur 34c, Feather Blades, Plisson Synthetic, a quality cream, and small bottle of Thayers Witch Hazel.
You want some great creams that won`t break the bank look at Taylor of Old Bond Street. My wife is really partial to St Jermyn scent.
Shavettes are completely different than a true straight. Similar but yet totally different. I dabbled with both. My Double Edge is my main stay, personal favorites are the adjustable (vintage slim, Fatboy, and modern Merkur Future) DE`s.
I am planning a trip to the Grooming Lounge in Georgetown on Monday while getting some new wingtips and dress shirts.
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GearHead_1
Several of us on here have discussed and still participate in "old school" shaving. There are a couple of threads on here about this very subject. I have a number of straight razors and love them though admittedly I use Merkur double edges day in and day out.
YES!
START WITH THE BASICS!
MERKUR HD
Amazon.com : Merkur Heavy Duty Double Edge Razor (Blade Included) : Beauty
FEATHER BLADES
Amazon.com : Feather Double Edge Blades, 50 Count : Razor Blades : Beauty
Shaving cream
Amazon.com: Proraso Shave Soap, Sensitive, 150ml/5.2 oz (147 g) Jar: Beauty
That`s all ya need! The best beginner setup period!
For electric, I use this. I don`t know which braun you used but the 7 series are NOT anything like the rest. They are a completely different caliber, I used tons of different ones including braun 3 an 1 series. Once I tried the 7 it was no contest. Find one that fell off the back of a truck on eBay...
Amazon.com: Braun Series 7-720 Men`s Shaver 1 Count: Health & Personal Care
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Just got a bowl of "Art of Shaving" soap for Christmas.
Dude, one word... Etsy
Absolutely the best shaving tools known to man.
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Looks like a pretty deep rabbit hole, just like detailing!
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You guys with the straight edge blades are nuts! I don`t think I could ever even try one of those. I would probably sneeze while shaving and cut my ear off!
To those that use the double edge like the Merker is there that much of a difference in the blade from the single edge like the Schick I use? I looked into about a year ago when this topic come up about ayear ago and I just ended up buying another pack or two of blades for my current razor. It looks like the cost of a pack of blades costs about a third per blade than what I pay for the Injecta blades. The only problem I see is how do you keep a 50 pack of blades fresh like the ones in the link above?
Another question I have is about soaps. I tried one of those soap pucks or bars, Williams I believe, that was available at the local drugstore but I really didn`t care for it. My dad didn`t have much of a set up but I got the stuff after he passed. His soap mug was just a googly eyed coffee, a soap brush, and the single edge Schick. Now I would be interested to step up my shave game but the soap to me leaves something to be desired. I can nevr get a thick lather from it and if memory serves me riht it dried on my face qickly and before I as able to finish. To which I prefer a sensitive skin shave cream. I even tried some more expensive shave gels in the cans but go back to the cheaper Gillette sensitive foam as it seems I get little to no razor burn from it.
I don`t shave everyday and sometimes go 4 to 6 days without shaving, 2 to 3 day is average. I prefer twin blades but can`t use them on anything over a 3 or 4 day beard. If I use the single edge it seems like I can shave a lot faster with it versus the twin. So all in all I was wondering if the blades a person can get for the double edge are better then what I what I have.
I guess I have spent all I am probably going to spend on detailng my car I could just as well start spending it on detailing my face. I am open to suggestions and opinions.
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I lurk a whole lot more here than I will ever post, but this subject caught my attention.
I have somewhat sensitive skin and am very prone to ingrown hairs. After talking to my doctor several years ago, he suggested wet shaving and see what happens. I tried it, and haven`t looked back. Far more economical than cartridge shaving, and not the quite the fear of blood-letting that a straight razor can invoke. ;)
I use a Merkur HD razor with Feather blades, and old Geo Trumper badger brush that my dad handed down to me, and Taylor of Old Bond Street shaving cream (several scents). I wouldn`t say I`m addicted, but on a trip to New York City last week, I stopped at Pasteur Pharmacy (known for it`s shaving selection) and stocked up on things. TOBS cream was running $14/container, which lasts me nearly six months.
Oh yeah, my complexion cleared up and ingrown hairs are nearly non-existent.
Gordon
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gordonjuan
I lurk a whole lot more here than I will ever post, but this subject caught my attention.
I have somewhat sensitive skin and am very prone to ingrown hairs. After talking to my doctor several years ago, he suggested wet shaving and see what happens. I tried it, and haven`t looked back. Far more economical than cartridge shaving, and not the quite the fear of blood-letting that a straight razor can invoke. ;)
Oh yeah, my complexion cleared up and ingrown hairs are nearly non-existent.
Gordon
Same here. I use the double edged blades and it`s really relaxing. I have been keeping short trimmed facial hair for a while but I still shave my neck like this and it`s great. Another thing that`s just extremely satisfying to do with care and precision.
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Another huge fan of Taylor of Old Bond Street shaving cream. And wouldn`t be without Proraso after shave lotion, it gives a smooth feel to the skin that lasts all day. I use a Merkur 34 razor and for blades it really depends on your skin/beard. I bought a sample pack of blades from West Coast Shaving, and you do get a different feel and performance from different blades. My go to are Personna platinum, but the feather cut better if I haven`t shaved in a few days.
Still too intimidated by the straight razor to buy one.
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You guys with the straight edge blades are nuts! I don`t think I could ever even try one of those. I would probably sneeze while shaving and cut my ear off!
To those that use the double edge like the Merker is there that much of a difference in the blade from the single edge like the Schick I use? I looked into about a year ago when this topic come up about ayear ago and I just ended up buying another pack or two of blades for my current razor. It looks like the cost of a pack of blades costs about a third per blade than what I pay for the Injecta blades. The only problem I see is how do you keep a 50 pack of blades fresh like the ones in the link above?
Another question I have is about soaps. I tried one of those soap pucks or bars, Williams I believe, that was available at the local drugstore but I really didn`t care for it. My dad didn`t have much of a set up but I got the stuff after he passed. His soap mug was just a googly eyed coffee, a soap brush, and the single edge Schick. Now I would be interested to step up my shave game but the soap to me leaves something to be desired. I can nevr get a thick lather from it and if memory serves me riht it dried on my face qickly and before I as able to finish. To which I prefer a sensitive skin shave cream. I even tried some more expensive shave gels in the cans but go back to the cheaper Gillette sensitive foam as it seems I get little to no razor burn from it.
I don`t shave everyday and sometimes go 4 to 6 days without shaving, 2 to 3 day is average. I prefer twin blades but can`t use them on anything over a 3 or 4 day beard. If I use the single edge it seems like I can shave a lot faster with it versus the twin. So all in all I was wondering if the blades a person can get for the double edge are better then what I what I have.
I guess I have spent all I am probably going to spend on detailng my car I could just as well start spending it on detailing my face. I am open to suggestions and opinions.
For soap the Williams is a love or hate. I can get a good lather with a little work.
I poor enough HOT water other soap to have a thin layer covering the top. I fill my bowl with hot water and soak a boars(or a badger with a stiffer back bone) hairs brush in it. I then shower. I will then empty the lather bowel, and shake the brush twice in the sink. I pour the water from the soap in the sink. I then load my brush bw swirling over the soap for about a minute. Then build lather in the bowl.
I would also suggest try another quality soap.
As far as blade I buy in packs of hundred. They come in either individual tucks of 5 or 10 blades. I will store them in a quart size zip lock brand bag to keep moisture away.
Here is my shave today ( the razor is a Merkur Barber (long handle) pole model.
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Plisson is a great travel brush, being synthetic it dries in less time.
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gordonjuan
I lurk a whole lot more here than I will ever post, but this subject caught my attention.
I have somewhat sensitive skin and am very prone to ingrown hairs....[I switched to..]..[and].. my complexion cleared up and ingrown hairs are nearly non-existent.
That caught my eye as I`m very prone to ingrown facial hair too. Glad you got it sorted out, and once again I find it interesting how experiences differ; after shaving wet for a long time, I found that, to my surprisem, I do best shaving with an electric as long as I don`t press hard enough for a "really close" shave. Downside is that I sometimes have to shave twice a day and each shave takes quite a while. But it did sort out the ingrown hair issue that I struggled with for ages.
Still using an old Braun, on its third or fourth set of replacement batteries.
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Rally tough shaving right now with the bells palsey :(
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Rally tough shaving right now with the bells palsey :(
Oh wow, I bet it is! Didn`t know you were going through that...[wishes for rapid resolution].
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Oh wow, I bet it is! Didn`t know you were going through that...[wishes for rapid resolution].
Thanks
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Thanks Tuxedo Taurus for the suggestons. I might have to try a different soap. I will have to dig out or find my dads mug and brush. Even though I like the convenience of shave cream in the can as I get older I like the idea of shaving old school style. I was never the type to buy into the must have latest and greatest blades. Even though I like my twin blade I do like the single for when I go the extra time between shaves. I was never one to buy into the idea that more than 2 blades were necessary and my thoughts were it is a waste of money. It might take a while but once I use up my blades for the Schick I might have to look into replacing it with e double edge. Appreciate the help.
Thanks.
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skibik
Thanks Tuxedo Taurus for the suggestons. I might have to try a different soap. I will have to dig out or find my dads mug and brush. Even though I like the convenience of shave cream in the can as I get older I like the idea of shaving old school style. I was never the type to buy into the must have latest and greatest blades. Even though I like my twin blade I do like the single for when I go the extra time between shaves. I was never one to buy into the idea that more than 2 blades were necessary and my thoughts were it is a waste of money. It might take a while but once I use up my blades for the Schick I might have to look into replacing it with e double edge. Appreciate the help.
Thanks.
You could also try a good cream.
I told myself it was to save money also, but soaps and creams are like lsp`s.
I was in Merz Apothecary in Chicago and spent $300, so little nervous about the Grooming Lounge.
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skibik
You guys with the straight edge blades are nuts! I don`t think I could ever even try one of those. I would probably sneeze while shaving and cut my ear off!
To those that use the double edge like the Merker is there that much of a difference in the blade from the single edge like the Schick I use? I looked into about a year ago when this topic come up about ayear ago and I just ended up buying another pack or two of blades for my current razor. It looks like the cost of a pack of blades costs about a third per blade than what I pay for the Injecta blades. The only problem I see is how do you keep a 50 pack of blades fresh like the ones in the link above?
Another question I have is about soaps. I tried one of those soap pucks or bars, Williams I believe, that was available at the local drugstore but I really didn`t care for it. My dad didn`t have much of a set up but I got the stuff after he passed. His soap mug was just a googly eyed coffee, a soap brush, and the single edge Schick. Now I would be interested to step up my shave game but the soap to me leaves something to be desired. I can nevr get a thick lather from it and if memory serves me riht it dried on my face qickly and before I as able to finish. To which I prefer a sensitive skin shave cream. I even tried some more expensive shave gels in the cans but go back to the cheaper Gillette sensitive foam as it seems I get little to no razor burn from it.
I don`t shave everyday and sometimes go 4 to 6 days without shaving, 2 to 3 day is average. I prefer twin blades but can`t use them on anything over a 3 or 4 day beard. If I use the single edge it seems like I can shave a lot faster with it versus the twin. So all in all I was wondering if the blades a person can get for the double edge are better then what I what I have.
I guess I have spent all I am probably going to spend on detailng my car I could just as well start spending it on detailing my face. I am open to suggestions and opinions.
I shave 3-4 times a week. I do not shave every day because it`s waste imo. I use electric on the face and a DE/safety blade on the neck. I use the merkur HD, it`s the greatest beginner blade you can get, especially since it doesn`t break bank. You need a specialized quality shave SOAP such as prorazo, very good for sensitive skin, way thicker lather when done right and is MUCH cheaper in the long run. As far as blades, I use feathers, they are disposable and still far cheaper then ANY cartridge out. I get 5x better of a shave with feathers then with schick hydro 3`s which IMO are the best cartridge bar none. You need to get the hang of it, it takes time but once you do you`ll never go back.
Keep your skin moist and warm before a shave.
Lather correctly, thick an even.
Keep the blades hot and fresh/new.
shave with the least amount of pressure possible.
Focus on your angle.
All that will lead to the perfect shave.
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I like the grip. Bets it`s comfortable,
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Wow - love this thread !!!
Love looking at all the cool shaving tools !
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I got into Art of Shaving back in 2002, when they were owner- owned, and they had some incredible products AND had a Master Barber in their shops who could give your hair and face an incredible spa treatment, with a straight razor..
What I learned from them and still do today is to use their Lemon Shaving Oil on my heated up face, then their Soap that also has lemon in it, a good brush, and a really good Feather Stainless Steel double-edge Safety Razor with Crystal (made in Israel) blades..
And I do it all in the shower, lots of steam, lots of hot water, easy to rinse off the razor, and I get incredible shaves every time...
Yes, I had to get to know my face using just my hands and touch, to know where and how to avoid any issues, and so far, years later, no problems, just great shaves, everything goes down the drain, no cleaning up the sink, mirror, etc., and I can finish up my shower and I`m good to go..
I don`t use a mirror, once tried those fogless things and threw it away..
The razor and blades I bought on Amazon I believe years ago and I will take years to use up all the blades, but that`s fine for me...
The brush is a really thick badger brush from Art of Shaving with a stainless steel handle, and holder for the brush and razor, all from AofShaving...
I think the key point I got from my experiments were --
Your face has to be heated for awhile to get the whiskers soft..
At the Art of Shaving barber shop, they put a beautiful, great smelling, new white hot towel on your face for a long time, after they washed it..
The right shaving oil makes a difference for me - keeps my face slippery, and the whiskers soft along with the hot to the touch shaving cream - after - I have stood under the hot water in the shower letting it hit my face...
Logistics - I get my face washed, rinsed, and heated up under the shower, then oil it up, lather it up, and shave away from the showerhead.
When I have finished at least 3 passes, and its really smooth, I get under the shower with the warm water hitting my face and finish up shaving under the water. This really works great at keeping everything warm, wet and slippery...
The great shaving oil is still on my face even after the lather is rinsed off and I can feel around and get anything I missed, etc..
For my needs, the kit I have works great ! I can go all day and not have a bad 5:o`clock shadow at the end..
The shave this way is so close, my skin feels really smooth and soft, no scrapes, red irritated areas, cuts, etc...
Dan F
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My favorite all time razor is the Gillette sensor (metal handle).
Was well balanced, blades very sharp, didn`t clog fast.
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Nothing fancy but it was my dads stuff. I haven`t used the mug or brush in a while but use the razor often. I think I checked at one time on the age of the handle when I got it. I believe it dates back to the mid 50`s. I have no idea what the brush hair is. Has Hegener stamped on it, the word sterilized below it, the number 3 below that. I thought it was a fox hair. I remember hearing that brush clanking around in the mug when Dad was lathering up the brush. I can`t say as my beard ever sounds like his when I remember him shaving, but it sounded like he was using a hunting knife to shave with.
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Dude, one word... Etsy
Absolutely the best shaving tools known to man.
Thinking "best" in shaving is a lot like "best" in detailing. Subjective at the very least. I`m assuming you`re talking about the Etsy web site, am I correct?
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skibik
The only problem I see is how do you keep a 50 pack of blades fresh like the ones in the link above?
Most quality blades come individually wrapped in slightly waxed papers. As long as you don`t submerse them they`ll stay fine for decades.
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Another question I have is about soaps. I tried one of those soap pucks or bars, Williams I believe, that was available at the local drugstore but I really didn`t care for it.
This is definitely a case where a soap is a soap is a soap can`t be said. Interestingly enough you mentioned Williams. They reformulated their soap maybe 15 years ago. It was known to be a favorite and turned into a sub par performer for the very reasons you mentioned. It dries very quickly on your face and is difficult though not impossible to get a good thick lather. The best advice I can give you when whipping this soap is it takes a lot of product to get a thick lather.
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So all in all I was wondering if the blades a person can get for the double edge are better then what I what I have.
I`ve never used the Schick that you`ve mentioned so I can`t make a legitimate comparison but I would add that razor blades are like car waxes there are a ton of them and they aren`t all the same. Some are extremely sharp like a Feather but I can`t get 3 shaves out that blade others not quite as sharp (Persona) but will go 5 shaves for me. You have to try a few to find your favorite. You can buy many blades in quantities of 100 for less than $20. You`ll get 4 or 5 shaves out of a blade. They are very economical.
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I`ve been shaving for a bit over 35 years, and have tried dozens of blade/shaving cream combos. Some worked well, some not so well.
Then, about 10 years ago, I discovered the missing ingredient.
Coconut oil.
If you apply coconut oil after wetting your face and before you apply your shaving cream, you will get the smoothest shave you`ve ever had. Even better, you can buy 54 oz. of it from Costco for $16. A little goes a long, long way. I use less than a dime-size amount each time. On top of that, coconut oil is great for your skin, so your face will be as smooth as a freshly-clayed Bentley hood!