Hey Gang, I got two DD`s one a dark blue wagon that`s garaged and the other a red pickup that`s always out. What LSP offers better UV protection in the Southwest sun, wax or sealant? Looking forward to hear your recommendations and experiences.
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Hey Gang, I got two DD`s one a dark blue wagon that`s garaged and the other a red pickup that`s always out. What LSP offers better UV protection in the Southwest sun, wax or sealant? Looking forward to hear your recommendations and experiences.
I add the wax on top of the sealant.
I put my sealant on top of my wax...it protects against UVA and UVB sun rays.
I thought the sealant needed the paint to bond too. Wouldnt think the sealant would last as long if you applied it on top of wax.
There are some sealants that provide excellent UV protection and long durability, some provide excellent UV protection (while they last) and short durability, some provide little UV protection and long durability, and so-on and so-on. The same can be said for specific waxes as well...
Ultimately, it comes down to the individual product... More then what the main protective ingredient is. Wax and sealant manufacturers have a vested interest in protection your finish because it keeps them in business.
In general, I would prefer a paint sealant for protection, because, in general, they last longer then most carnauba waxes and withstand heat better. If you want a best of both worlds approach, apply a paint sealant first then top that with a carnauba wax.
wax over the sealant indeed ! :bigups
Thanks Todd, the best of both worlds then would then cover both the durability of paint protection with a sealant, as well as UV and wax providing additional short term protection of both paint & UV. Can`t wait to try wax over the Klasse HGSG!:drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Helme
Not with what I use...The NanoSkin Hydrophobic Wax and the NanoSkin Shield Sealant is designed to be applied with the wax first then the shield since the shield is designed to work and totally bond with the wax.Quote:
Originally Posted by TacoHerder
Sealant first then wax.
How often are you willing to wax? I would go with a sealant like Blackfire Crystal seal, Optiseal, Wolfgang Deep gloss liquid seal...etc and top it with your favorite wax.Quote:
Originally Posted by edjoe
My is choice NanoSkin Shield Sealant over opti seal or coat due it has a better shine and repellling water and dirt. I`m not impressed withe the opti coat or opti seal for reflectiveness and water repelling.
readers can almost guess your next reply before you type it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflectiveauto
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:lol2: Oh and you for sure go sealant then wax. I`d listen to Todd about this because he is a freak of nature that is all knowing when it comes to anything related to car detailing!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewBigA
gonna go get some Popcorn BRB.....
I`m pretty sure that NanoSkin anything won`t stick to opticoat.... And just wondering is Nanoskin paying you to get on here and force your opinions on everyone? Just saying you seem pretty determined to prove to everyone only what you do is right... Everyone else is wrong and well your mind is set. Maybe I`m the only one noticing this??? But I get the feeling I`m not. Personally since I`ve been on this forum because I listened and soaked up everything all these amazing detailers, some of the best in the world do.. I`m so much better at this than I was when I joined and I`ve been detailing cars for close to 15 years. I only got better though because I wasn`t closed minded to anything except what I had been doing for the last 14 years and wanted to learn. Oh and for the record I`ve never seen one detailer ever that put wax down then a sealant on top of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflectiveauto
Trust me you are not the only one....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsmooth
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This is awesome :rofl
I cant find the POPCORN!!!!!!!!!!!
fill half way + butter
fill to the top + more butter.
wait for the lights to go out.
LOL.....Thanks Joe...
OP again sorry to thread jack, but sealant first and wax 2nd. Since you are in New Mexico try this kit BLACKFIRE Wet-Ice over Fire Kit
BFMS works great in the heat.
Its a little pricey but trust me you will better off in the long run.
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I GOTS THE POPCORN!! Who was asking for some? :D
Lol...that`s funny..I`m not paid by anyone..I`m just not impressed by Opti coat or Opti Seal..in the reflection or repelling of water. Btw how can anyone prove that opti coat is a permanent option? I`m sure its a good product but I see it pushed down peoples throat by opti coat reps by unknowing car owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by dd1101
show me one post where it`s being pushed down anyone`s throat by an Optimum Rep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflectiveauto
Not to mention I have not seen a post from you about anything positive other than a Nanoskin product. How can you talk about pushing a product down people`s throats when it seems that is all you are doing.
To be clear, I have no problem with you or nanoskin. I`m sure you are a great detailer and I`m sure nanoskin makes great products (I love my speedy prep towel). But I feel you are being hypocritical. I am not trying to be offensive in any manner, just stating my observations.
To make matters worse, to my knowledge you have not even tried Opticoat. In one of your posts, you talked about "hearing" bad things about OC, but not your experiences using it in person. It seems logical to assume, then, that you have not even tried OC.
Here is what I am talking about:
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Originally Posted by Reflectiveauto
I`m not going to elaborate on that it is Opti Coat and not OptiC coat. And that it is OptiGuard not OptiShield (OS as you mention).Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflectiveauto
There are a lot of car forums where there are opti reps peddle the sealant like a drug. Prove to me that ooti coat or the name opti pro is a permenant sealant..no one can prove that. I see a lot people not getting their car opti coated without proper prepping and it looks nothing special.
I thought you Opticoat cars then top them with Nanoskin sealant... So don`t you know about Opticoat? I do know this that if you do not prep the car right before opti coat application it will probably fail. That is not Opti coats though that is user error. It`s almost like if your girl friend skipped every other day on birth control then ended up pregos and blamed the pill. So if your using Opticoat and having bad luck with I`ll bet its in the prep work. The first time I opticoated a car I messed up and had to redo it. There are lots of threads here that explain in depth what should be done to get it right. But then again I don`t know if your using it or not because you keep contradicting yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Reflectiveauto
I have asked for a post, not your hearsay. There tends to be a difference in what people see/read and what they THINK they saw/read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflectiveauto
IMO, you should continue using nanoskin and be happy with it as you are getting the results that you want.
But don`t downgrade a product you have never even tried.
:cool:OK Guys, Thank`s for the recommendations of wax over sealant as well as Todd`s explanation of differences of UV protection of sealant vs durability of protection. In general though, does a carnauba wax inherently block UV better or worse than an engineered synthetic sealant?
Thanks, I`ll look into this and wait till a sale or a better $$ time. So far my 1st purchase of a product was Blackfire rinse less wash and I`ve done both vehicles 2X with it and the results are amazing, smooth feeling and great shine with no scratches, therefore would like to try other BF stuff you recommended.Quote:
Originally Posted by dd1101
edjoe, I found out a person just needs to bite the bullet if it is something that is needed or you want. I myself decided to bite the bullet and have just ordered up some Blackfire Wet Diamond and also some Blackfire Crystal Seal. According to Todd and others here you you can`t go wrong with Wet Diamond as a stand alone product and I myself decided to top it with the Crystal Seal for added protection. I also understand that the Crystal Seal works great as a stand alone product also and it is cheaper then Wet Diamond. :bigups
PS, no I am not getting paid by BF and not getting kickbacks for pedaling BF products (although I wish I was), and yes so far to me it is hearsay that BF are outstanding as I have yet to use them. I will probably do so as soon as the package arrives. Please do not ridicule me as I know there are a lot of other good products out there, it is that I just can`t afford to buy and try them all and have to go by the word of what I read here on this informative and sometimes entertaining forum.
Dean.
:lol2: :rofl :lol2: :rofl :lol2:
Wax is better about blocking UV`s I believe but also has to applied more often. If your willing to wax your car once a month you should be fine. Just first time you do I would make sure you clay it really well.Quote:
Originally Posted by edjoe
OMG Your my idol@!Quote:
Originally Posted by skibik
Well a good starter kit try the Blackfire TPnS, top it with BFCS, and Midnight Sun Spray. All that should cost about $50.00 and the sister site is having a sale on it too. :rockonQuote:
Originally Posted by edjoe
do you want to know whats funny? YOUQuote:
Originally Posted by Reflectiveauto
just stop it already.
My question...from an uneducated person in all things...wax and sealant IS...how do you know either way if things bond or not. Same thing with things that claim to layer...how do you know? BY sight, by experience or the manufactures claim. I wiped on several coats of Blackfire sealant but couldn`t tell you if there is two layers or not...how do we know? has it been proven in a lab...can layers be measured? I am just curiousQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd Helme
I think issue is everyone you were told by didnt use the product correctly. Better yet, they didnt prep properly. The thing is though, I have read more people who LOVE the product and didnt have those issues. Correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure Garry Dean uses Opti Gaurd. In all his videos the cars look AMAZINGLY shiny. I would simply suggest better wording next time, so people dont get so irate thinking you are knocking one product in favor of another you seem to boast about with out a proper comparison. Ease up on the on the poor fellow.
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Originally Posted by jlineman
To know which way you use the product read the label. They will tell you how to apply the product to bond best. I cant say about the layering for sure. My opinion would be that the permanent sealants you can see a difference between 1 or 2 layers b/c of how the product works to protect the paint. Other sealants that last only a few months do not create a thick hardening outer layer that protects against scratching and UV rays. So layering will not be visible to the naked eye. Again, not an expert in that area so im just speaking from my common sense and what I already know.
i`m a big Colbert fan!Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted2Bling
I never knocked the product..I have never used it. Im sure its good for what purpose it was made for. Btw Im friends with Garry Dean and we talk all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TacoHerder
LOL..just because Im not a fan boy of Opti Coat? The NanoSkin Shield Sealant works better in the environment that I detail in then what I have seen with Opti Coat does. Ive seen pics of Opti Coat with water on it...looks like it has no protection...but again please prove to me that it is permanent...no can prove that....not even the designers of Opti Coat can prove that. If I lived in a warmer environment and didn`t really have to worry about a lot rain, snow and occasional 3 months of summer...I would probably use Opti Coat but I don`t so I wont. Btw I have contacted several highline detailers in my area and some carry Opti Coat but they don`t recommend it...but that`s a different topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewBigA
Have you looked into Optimum Car Wax? It`s the only spray wax that has two UV patents. Optimum claims that the UV protectant in OCW is similar to the UV protectants that paint manufactures use in their clear coats.Quote:
Originally Posted by edjoe