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Name your top three finishing/jeweling polishes.
1. Menzerna Super Finish Plus (SF-3800). Almost no dusting and great shine
2. CarPro Reflect. Super easy wipe on/ wipe off and great shine.
3. Rupes Diamond Ultra Shine. I think temp/humidity affects performance sometimes
Would like to give Scholl Concept S40 a try. Have read only great things about its finish.
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1. Scholls S40
2. Angelwax Redemption
3. Rupes Diamond
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1. Koch Chemie - Hochglanz Antihologram Politur
2. Scholl S40
3. Carpro Reflect
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No particular order
Hyper polish
3D ONE
Menzerna SF3800
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This question about jeweling (or more correctly, "burnishing", as Accumulator points out) stems from a discussion from January of 2010 by Autopian All-Star, Barry Theal and his conversation with another All-Star, Kevin Brown. Some may consider it "than was then, this is now", but it is still interesting (AKA relevant) information.
https://www.autopia.org/forums/car-d...light=jeweling
I asked the question in a thread from August of 2016 if anyone does jeweling anymore and what modern techniques they use to do this. https://www.autopia.org/forums/machi...tml?highlight=
No one replied, leaving me to think no one does this and/or no one cares to talk about this "extra" step in correction polishing.
(Or my personal hygiene was inadequate and no one wanted to associate with me that day!)
Thanks for the replies to this thread about the car-care products that you use for jeweling/burnishing.
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Lonnie
Thanks for the replies to this thread about the car-care products that you use for jeweling/burnishing.
Maybe it`s all just semantics but I don`t really consider it jeweling/burnishing but rather just trying to eek out a bit more gloss with the finest polish I can find that actually produces a noticeable effect after using a more `standard` polish like M205 and the like. Too be honest, I could never really notice much of a difference using Menzerna PO85RD/3800. S40 works best for me on soft paint, Angelwax Rdemption had the most cut while leaving a more refined finish and Rupes Diamond seems to work best on softer paints as well.
All in the opinion of someone who still has to work somewhat less than efficiently to achieve desired results.
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Leaving aside all my usual comments about burnishing...the Finish Polishes I use give me a nicer final finish than M205, but I don`t think either of my choices are made any more:
-HD Polish
-1Z Hi-Gloss
Both of those improve upon M205 for me. Whether what I`m doing qualifies as burnishing or not, I dunno...same boat as BudgetPlan1 I guess.
I suppose if I used M205 to refine what my compounds leave, and then follow that with one of the above, that`d be burnishing in the conventional sense. But hey, for the most part, I`m not polishing *at all* any more.
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I haven’t polished my own vehicles in ten years so I’m in the same boat as Accumulator. I only had to spot polish one time and M101 by hand worked out well.
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3800
Reflect
Diamond
Probably in that order. Saying that, I normally just use Essence after compounding and then coat. I understand the abrasives in Reflect are the same as in Essence. Essence has made me lazy. The results are just so good.
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Ultrafina
Menz 3800
Reflect.
Not in any order. Depends on how the paint reacts...
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From this small sample size it seems like so far Menz 3800, CarPro Reflect, and Scholl S40 are at the top with Rupes Diamond still in there
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A good question would be what pad, machine, speed for finishing/jeweling. Probably get some way different ideas. Jeweling is an interesting topic, but too time consuming to be practiced regularly.
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Still using my PO85RD. Love that stuff and still have enough to last me ten more years if it doesn`t dry up or go bad.
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Griots Perfecting Cream
Polish Angel Master Final Polish II
Gyeon Primer
I own (but have yet to try) P&S / Renny Doyle Double Black Envy Jeweling Polish which I’m looking forward to test.
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IMO it`s an awfully fine line...and maybe just a matter of semantics...between "burnishing" and "Finish Polishing".
If I go from M101 to HD Polish, it`s merely Finish Polishing. But if I do M101, then M205, and *then* HD Polish/[whatever] I bet many would say it`s Burnishing.
MY definition of Burnishing/Jeweling = Polishing beyond the removal of visible imperfections to increase the gloss. M205 leaves my paints (micro)marring-free, but they don`t look as nice as they do when I finish with the HD/1Z. I`m "improving on perfection", so that`s burnishing. But what`s the *REAL* diff between that and just going straight from compound to final polish? No diff at all IMO.
And yeah, I suppose that a(nother) final polishing after the HD with, say...PO85rd..might ramp it up in the eyes of a glossmeter, and maybe in the eyes of some other Detailer, but if I can`t see a diff I`m not gonna bother.
I guess some might say I *do* burnish a few of my vehicles, as I follow the HD Polish with 1Z Pro Metallic Polish or their WaxPolishSoft (both discontinued AFAIK, at least in the US). Those do contain abrasives and they do ramp up the look...BUT since they contain LSP-stuff (synthetic waxes or so they said) I figure it`s more of a LSPing than anything else, and I figure the abrasives primarily help make it easy to buff off.
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Not to hijack this thread (when has that EVER stopped you, Captain Obvious!), can you do jeweling with a long-throw dual-action polisher (LT-DA), OR are the results "better" using an rotary polisher??
That SEEMS to be some of the discussion from the Barry Theal thread I linked. Like anything in polishing, its all about using the type of machine, pad choice, polishing (jeweling) formulation of the manufacturer (which IS what this thread is about), and technique and skill of the operator on the particular type and condition of the single-stage paint or clear coat. (Like I doubt here is any benefit to try to jewel Infinity self-healing clear-coat)
By the way, I was hoping Meguiar`s would come up with a jeweling polish M305, but the number was taken up by its Ultra Finishing Durable GLAZE. Not sure how this "fits" into the realm of jeweling. I do know that there is some thought that using M205 on a red LC Pad, rinsing it ,and then spinning it on a DA in a bucket to extract the excess water, and THEN using the residue on the pad to polish a paint/clear-coat was though to ACT as a jeweling process. Do not know if any of you Autopians have tried that technique. I have not
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I’m happy to see PO85rd is still being used. It’s the last burnishing polish I bought and that was some time ago. I would think others came along and eclipsed it.
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Lonnie- I can`t imagine the method you mentioned with M205 working for me since it`d still be the same abrasives, just fewer of `em.
People have used Glossmeters to prove that their rotary burnishing is superior. Whether anybody`s naked eyes would see the diff, let alone whether the user can finish out 100% hologram-free, is another matter. I do mine via Cyclo, which they (i.e., Rupes, who now owns Cyclo Toolmakers) consider a "long-throw".
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When I posted this thread I knew that there are a lot of other factors that come into play such as pad, machine, machine speed, temp, humidity, etc.
I just wanted to keep it simple. Just kinda get a feel where the majority sits.
Plus I wanted to see how many are in favor of the Scholls S40 since I have heard so many favorable things about it.
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Seems like Scholls Concept car-care chemicals have a few Autopians approval and recommendation in this forum. The only place I see it is available from is Car-Pro web site The Sky`s the Limit Car Care (Sorry no link due to forum rules). If anyone know of others, let us know. I wish we could talk PBMG into carrying that product line, but I am sure Scholls has its non-competing exclusive distributor(s?) network in the USA. Hey, what is ONE more??
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Accumulator
Lonnie- I can`t imagine the method you mentioned with M205 working for me since it`d still be the same abrasives, just fewer of `em.
People have used Glossmeters to prove that their rotary burnishing is superior. Whether anybody`s naked eyes would see the diff, let alone whether the user can finish out 100% hologram-free, is another matter. I do mine via Cyclo, which they (i.e., Rupes, who now owns Cyclo Toolmakers) consider a "long-throw".
...and the M205 would still have some Trade-Secret Oils (TSOs) even in a washed-out "softer" RED LC pad; something you, Accumulator, absolutely loath!!
Wonder how a dual opposite-rotating rotary motion Cylo is considered "long throw".. maybe "big diameter" since the dual 4" pads are like a BIG single pad. I must say, I thank Cyclo for using 4" pads. It`s the pad size I use on my PC-DA and it`s almost the perfect size for a 8mm-throw DA and my abilities, but it takes FOREVER to do a vehicle. Someone here said that Cyclo is the ONLY reason LC and others offer a 4" diameter pad, otherwise it would probably not exist! Cyclo is a forgotten polishing machine. I cannot say "obsolete", just not "popular" polishing machine. I assume it works well in the hands of a skilled operator. Just that there are not a lot of "skilled operators" anymore who use this tool day-in-and-day-out. Kind of like manual drawing draftsmen; who does manual pencil-to-paper drafting/drawing on a drawing board any more? It`s all done on a computer now.
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My Cyclo is really gathering dust, even more so than my other polishers That said, it would be the first I would reach for if I had some paint to burnish. It’s a pleasure to polish with.
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Lonnie
Seems like Scholls Concept car-care chemicals have a few Autopians approval and recommendation in this forum. The only place I see it is available from is Car-Pro web site The Sky`s the Limit Car Care (Sorry no link due to forum rules). If anyone know of others, let us know. I wish we could talk PBMG into carrying that product line, but I am sure Scholls has its non-competing exclusive distributor(s?) network in the USA. Hey, what is ONE more??
I believe at one point they did.... I could be wrong tho.
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Bill D
I’m happy to see PO85rd is still being used. It’s the last burnishing polish I bought and that was some time ago. I would think others came along and eclipsed it.
PO85RD
Then 4500
now 3800
Man I wish they can pick a name and keep it.
BTW I still call it PO85RD no matter what the bottle says!
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Ah ha! An oldie but goodie just renamed!
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Lonnie
...and the M205 would still have some Trade-Secret Oils (TSOs) even in a washed-out "softer" RED LC pad; something you, Accumulator, absolutely loath!!
Heh heh, I see I`ve ranted enough about those TSO for you to remember :D
I just don`t like dealing with Polishing Oils..I don`t like some Menzerna stuff for the same reason, and there are plenty of(other) products where they aren`t an issue.
Says the guy with nearly a gallon of M205 just sitting on the shelf :o
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Wonder how a dual opposite-rotating rotary motion Cylo is considered "long throw"..
I was a bit surprised myself, but I guess if Rupes wants to call it that...probably a matter of "relativity" between the throw and the pad size, dunno how/if the dual heads factor in.
I`d be a little surprised if LC/etc. thought about the Cyclo that much..the pads Cyclo Toolmakers sells, which seem the same as the old "Edge" line (that`s from memory, so insert an "IIRC") are probably what most Cyclo users stick with.
And yeah on the "forgotten machine". Eh, it`s really best for whole-panel work on vehicles that have/don`t certain panel contours. It does work fine, but for really aggressive work I reach for my Flex3401 and assume others reach for a 21mm long-throw.
Between not working on some parts of some vehicles, and not being as aggressive as some other polishers, I guess its appeal is just a bit too narrow compared to today`s other options.
IMO it`s not about the Cyclo user being skilled; pretty idiot-proof IMO, moreso than machines that can be more aggressive. Other than that "accommodate certain contours" issue, I`d have zero reservations handing one to a complete Newbie though I would want to make sure that Newbie had the right knowledge base/mindset.
For LSPing by machine, including buffing off with MF bonnets, as Bill D said, it`s a genuine *pleasure* to work with. Even though I sure don`t think using polishers qualifies as "pleasure"! Mine don`t even have the modern counterbalancing setup.
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Weren`t the Cyclo pads made by B&S? Same foams with different Velcro backing?
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DBAILEY
Weren`t the Cyclo pads made by B&S? Same foams with different Velcro backing?
Huh, I thought they were made by whomever made them for Edge.
Assuming (uh-oh..) they`re the same as they`ve always been, the Cyclo Green Polishing pads have been around since forever, dating to pre-velcro days.
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Dr Oldz
I believe at one point they did.... I could be wrong tho.
They did and had a big sale just about giving the stuff away. Before the sale it was not talked about enough, not sure why.
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S40 :)
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I`m in the process of testing out some of the finishing polishes I have with the Novo-Gloss Trio gloss meter. Everything measured at the 60 degree angle. All polishing was performed consecutively. Different pressures and passes throughout, just trying to find something that could have bumped gloss up significantly. Today`s test I pulled out Meguiar`s M110, M210, Perfect Finish, and Menz 3800. Tomorrow I can try Perfecting Cream, HD Polish+, and Essence.
Pads are Buff and Shine flat foam, so I have the type of polish, the tool, and the pad color listed after the gloss measurement.
96.9 Pre-Compound Baseline (Prep-All wiped)
Meguiar`s M110
95.5 M110 GG6 Green
95.7 Prep All
Hood Left Half
Meguiar`s M210
96.5 M210 GG6 Black
96.7 Eraser
96.8 Prep All
96.8 M210 Rotary
97.0 Prep All
Sonax Perfect Finish
97.1 Perfect Finish Rotary Blue
97.1 Prep All
Menzerna 3800
97.1 Menz 3800 GG6 Red
97.2 Prep All
97.1 Menz 3800 Rotary Red
97.3 Prep All
97.1 3800 GG6 Red 3800
97.3 Prep All
97.2 3800 Maxshine M15 Red
97.3 Prep All
Perfect Finish
97.3 Perfect Finish Maxshine M15 Red
97.3 Prep All
Meguiar`s M210
97.0 M210 Maxshine M15 Blue
97.1 Prep All
Menzerna 3800
97.1 3800 GG6 Red
97.3 Prep All
Meguiar`s M210
97.0 M210 GG6 Red
97.3 Prep All
97.1 Pinnacle Souveran
Hood Right Half:
96.8 3800 GG6 Red
97.0 Prep All
97.0 Perfect Finish GG6 Red
97.2 Prep All
96.8 Zymol Vintage
Overall we have a 96.8 reading after M210 on the GG6 bumped up to a max limit of 97.3 done after Menz 3800 on the rotary. So half a gloss unit jump measured after all of that polishing which would largely not be detectable by the naked eye IMO. Panel wipe performed with Klean Strip Prep-All, definitely my favorite of the panel wipes I`ve tried out, although the solvent smell is fairly strong on it. 40+ measurements done per section. Small dip on the measurements after applying the waxes which is to be expected until the first wash which should remove any significant oils. Slight increase in the measurements after the panel wipe that removes any leftover polishing oils. Readings are referenced against a Rhopoint 93.7GU calibration tile.
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Loach
I`m in the process of testing out some of the finishing polishes I have with the Novo-Gloss Trio gloss meter. Everything measured at the 60 degree angle. All polishing was performed consecutively. Different pressures and passes throughout, just trying to find something that could have bumped gloss up significantly. Today`s test I pulled out Meguiar`s M110, M210, Perfect Finish, and Menz 3800. Tomorrow I can try Perfecting Cream, HD Polish+, and Essence.
Pads are Buff and Shine flat foam, so I have the type of polish, the tool, and the pad color listed after the gloss measurement.
96.9 Pre-Compound Baseline (Prep-All wiped)
Meguiar`s M110
95.5 M110 GG6 Green
95.7 Prep All
Hood Left Half
Meguiar`s M210
96.5 M210 GG6 Black
96.7 Eraser
96.8 Prep All
96.8 M210 Rotary
97.0 Prep All
Sonax Perfect Finish
97.1 Perfect Finish Rotary Blue
97.1 Prep All
Menzerna 3800
97.1 Menz 3800 GG6 Red
97.2 Prep All
97.1 Menz 3800 Rotary Red
97.3 Prep All
97.1 3800 GG6 Red 3800
97.3 Prep All
97.2 3800 Maxshine M15 Red
97.3 Prep All
Perfect Finish
97.3 Perfect Finish Maxshine M15 Red
97.3 Prep All
Meguiar`s M210
97.0 M210 Maxshine M15 Blue
97.1 Prep All
Menzerna 3800
97.1 3800 GG6 Red
97.3 Prep All
Meguiar`s M210
97.0 M210 GG6 Red
97.3 Prep All
97.1 Pinnacle Souveran
Hood Right Half:
96.8 3800 GG6 Red
97.0 Prep All
97.0 Perfect Finish GG6 Red
97.2 Prep All
96.8 Zymol Vintage
Overall we have a 96.8 reading after M210 on the GG6 bumped up to a max limit of 97.3 done after Menz 3800 on the rotary. So half a gloss unit jump measured after all of that polishing which would largely not be detectable by the naked eye IMO. Panel wipe performed with Klean Strip Prep-All, definitely my favorite of the panel wipes I`ve tried out, although the solvent smell is fairly strong on it. 40+ measurements done per section. Small dip on the measurements after applying the waxes which is to be expected until the first wash which should remove any significant oils. Slight increase in the measurements after the panel wipe that removes any leftover polishing oils. Readings are referenced against a Rhopoint 93.7GU calibration tile.
Could you move this to a separate new thread? It is very interesting and deserves its own spot. I would like to see Menz 3500 results. Also foam vs microfiber vs wool readings.
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As noted above it deserves it`s own thread Loach! That is always interesting to see the difference between polishes.
/ Tony
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Has anyone tried the recent Adam`s white pads vs the ones they had a year ago? They told me the new ones have a "little more bite but still provide a nicely jeweled finish".
I bought the micro swirl killer plus blue and white pads for very small correction areas (etching from bird droppings, sap, etc). Would this new white pad with the extra bite but finishing qualities be enough to get rid of a dull etched spot (smaller than a dime) with the finishing polish, or start with their correcting polish (and maybe even use it on the blue pad), then finishing polish/white pad? I just want to minimize the use of compound.
And, which option would get rid of ceramic high spots, where it looks like an oily hologram? I guess that means after almost a year, the CQuartzUK 3.0 is still working.
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How good is Loach!..... much respect dude
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...[I want to]... get rid of a dull etched spot (smaller than a dime) with the finishing polish...
Off-topic, but I`d sure inspect that with magnification *first* to determine whether additional abrasion is gonna make things better as opposed to worse.
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Since we are resurrecting a year-old thread, where do Griot`s Garage BOSS Finishing Sealant and McKee`s 37 Jeweling Wax fit into this jeweling process, if at all?
It is funny that when I asked several years ago in August of 2016 about jeweling (https://www.autopia.org/forums/machi...tml?highlight=) no one answered. My concern was IF it was worth it and, if so, how it was being done and with what products.
Loach, you are an Autopian All-Star for taking the time to test, measure, record and post your polishes gloss results. A truly objective detailing/science experiment. Kudos!
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Lonnie
..It is funny that when I asked several years ago in August of 2016 about jeweling .. My concern was IF it was worth it and, if so, how it was being done and with what products.
Note that ..."half a gloss unit jump measured after all of that polishing which would largely not be detectable by the naked eye IMO. "
Though that does not, IMO, mean nobody would actually notice a diff IRL. But I suspect it`s a matter of *some* people looking at *some* paints under *some* conditions and those highly discerning people thinking "that one there looks a tiny bit better, but I can`t really say why".
That`s basically what happens when I follow M205 with something that I believe gives a better finish.
I always question whether Jeweling-imparted diffs will survive Real Life, including Maintenance Washes. When we`re talking diffs that aren`t really naked-eye-obvious, I just don`t see it taking much, uhm..."damage"...to nullify that.
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Loach, you are an Autopian All-Star for taking the time to test, measure, record and post your polishes gloss results. A truly objective detailing/science experiment. Kudos!
Yes indeed! And I for one found the inclusion of Souveran, and its performance (did *not* diminish the gloss that much), interesting too. Heh heh, that "first wash that removes polishing oils" will probably pretty much remove the Souveran too!
Yeah, I wonder about the GG Polishing Sealant and that Finishing Wax. With LSPs generally diminishing the gloss (compared to polished-but-bare paint), whatever LSP-stuff those leave behind might do....?what?
When I follow something like M205 (with the TSO stripped off) with my [Finishing Polishes that leave stuff behind], it`s a noticeable improvement that I find obvious. I`ve always wondered whether it was the additional/lighter polishing or the LSP-stuff or a combo of the two, or...what?
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Thanks guys! Wow over a year ago since I last posted up some numbers, I`ll run some tests tomorrow and we`ll do another round of numbers. I haven`t witnessed above the 97-98GU ceiling yet for this panel at the 60° measurement angle. I`ve lost count of how many times I`ve polished the test hood out since then, but without wetsanding we appear to be maxed out.
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Lonnie
Since we are resurrecting a year-old thread, where do Griot`s Garage BOSS Finishing Sealant and McKee`s 37 Jeweling Wax fit into this jeweling process, if at all?
It is funny that when I asked several years ago in August of 2016 about jeweling (
https://www.autopia.org/forums/machi...tml?highlight=) no one answered. My concern was IF it was worth it and, if so, how it was being done and with what products.
Loach, you are an Autopian All-Star for taking the time to test, measure, record and post your polishes gloss results. A truly objective detailing/science experiment. Kudos!
Thanks Lonnie! I was actually at the Mobile Tech Expo on Saturday, and I was chatting with Rod Kraft at Griot`s who I hadn`t met before about the entire lineup, and we get to the Finishing Sealant and he goes and hands me a bottle and says, try this out, you`re going to absolutely love this stuff. So I will be able to pair up the Finishing Sealant next to the Jeweling Wax and we`ll see what kind of numbers we can pull out of the paint! Love the scent they put on the abrasives in the BOSS line, not too strong, but very pleasant and it has me reaching for the Perfecting Cream much more often now compared to others.
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If it hasn`t been listed: Xtreme Solutions LVR 403, unless you are strictly staying to polishes that do not leave any protection behind.