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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Todd, does your advice about not reducing pressure but slowing down during the last phase of the process only apply to non-diminishing polishes?

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    I am new to car care and I have only use M205 with a hydrotech tangerine pad, I was very happy with the results.
    Would it be best to switch to a crimson or different pad to get better results with the M205?

    Thanks

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    I will usually finish down just fine with a Tangerine pad, occasionally I`ll grab the Crimson if the paint is really soft.

    If you think it looks just fine with Tangerine, then rock on! No need to get the Crimson unless you just want to play around and see what you can do (which is always fun!).
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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Quote Originally Posted by blk5.0 View Post
    you said to work in m205 20-30 sec per section as a general rule. so with po85rd you said to work it in longer how much longer do you think you would like 30-45 secs?
    With PO85d I work it for about 1 minute, blow the pad out, reduce speed to 3-4, then work an additional 30 seconds or so. I don`t know specifically but I will time myself and report back. There are so many factors involved, such as product amount applied, how saturated the pad is, and working section, but I would estimate that I work some like PO85rd at least 3 times longer.

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunky View Post
    Todd, does your advice about not reducing pressure but slowing down during the last phase of the process only apply to non-diminishing polishes?
    No, you want to keep even/firm pressure on the pad through out the polishing cycle, regardless of the polish used (with a DA).

    I`m trying to think of a good/non-confusing analogy so work with me here.

    Imagine you have a matrix of tennis balls that are glued together with string, so it is like a net. If you lay our tennis ball net on perfectly level ground you will each one will have equal space from the four adjacent tennis balls. However if we lay the net on a bumpy ground we will find that tennis balls towards the high spots will be further apart and tennis balls towards the valleys will be closer together as the string stretches. You no longer have even distribution of the tennis balls or in our case the abrasives.

    When it comes to polishing you want to have an uniform of a space between the abrasives and want them to engage the paint evenly, otherwise those that are spread apart will be pushed into the paint with more force. Think of a bed of nails/needles. If they are spaced evenly apart and packed close enough together you can lay on them. But if you start remove needles randomly, you will reach a point where the weight distribution becomes so random the needle will penetrate the skin. The same thing with sandpaper (which is why product`s like Meguiar`s Unigrit sandpaper products a higher quality finish then an equal grit of more traditional papers), and the same applies to polishing.

    When you reduce pressure on a DA polisher, the pad begins to flex internally as it is pulled and twisted in opposite direction. This translates the parts of the pad, where they interact with paint, to bunch up or flex, which spreads attached abrasives apart (or crunches them closer).

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Todd, does M205 work well with the MF finishing discs when trying to remove haze from MF cutting/M105??

    Also, generally speaking, when you say shorten work time with M205, I would assume that means faster arm speed?

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Quote Originally Posted by 07 z-oh-6 View Post
    Todd, does M205 work well with the MF finishing discs when trying to remove haze from MF cutting/M105??

    Also, generally speaking, when you say shorten work time with M205, I would assume that means faster arm speed?
    Personally I would use the Meguiar`s Cutting Disk with M205 to remove any hazing from M105. You might be able to do it with the finish disk but I have noticed that product can (depending on the paint) loose a lot of cut on the finishing disk.

    As for the second question, I would say moderate arm speed. 1-2, maybe 3, passes over the area and call it done.

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Helme View Post
    Personally I would use the Meguiar`s Cutting Disk with M205 to remove any hazing from M105. You might be able to do it with the finish disk but I have noticed that product can (depending on the paint) loose a lot of cut on the finishing disk.

    As for the second question, I would say moderate arm speed. 1-2, maybe 3, passes over the area and call it done.
    Thanks, Todd.

    Prime the pad with M205? 4800 OPM? Moderate pressure?

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Great read, that`s an A+ article right there
    Get your shine on!

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Quote Originally Posted by 07 z-oh-6 View Post
    Thanks, Todd.

    Prime the pad with M205? 4800 OPM? Moderate pressure?
    Pretty much perfect. If your still getting some microhaze, try cleaning the pad out and going over the area one more time on speed 3.

    Also, I should have noted, use the finishing pad if it is giving you enough power to pull out the M105 haze (least aggressive method first). However you may find on some hard paints (depending on how deep the M105 haze is) you may need to step it up.

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted2Bling View Post
    Great read, that`s an A+ article right there
    Thank you!

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Another +1
    Excellent article

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    Re: Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    Another +1
    Excellent article
    Thank you very much Merlin!

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    Great info Todd, thanks for once again sharing valuable information on products.

 

 
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