Foam Pads with velcro to edge vs notch recessed

[imported_nihoole]

I have two 2001 automobiles and they both have Zaino on them for protection.Just as most here say by the time you get your car the paint has been cured quite a while and is ready for some kind of protection.The Zaino is a great product that I am very pleased with on my new cars.Puting this kind of protection on a new car in todays enviroment is a must IMHO and I would think the worst thing is not to put it on quick enough.Go for it you want be sorry and good luck.Congrades on your new ride.:up

[imported_Greg]

I`m so glad I found this forum! I sure wish I could see some of your cars... anyone in Connecticut?

[imported_Intermezzo]

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<em class=`bbc`>Originally posted by darbh [/i]
<strong class=`bbc`>Intermezzo330I
What I have observed is that sometimes, particularly if you have too much Z on top of the paint, is that there is a "smeary" layer on top of the paint. ANYTHING will mush this around, lines will appear in it when it is rubbed, etc.[/b]</blockquote>
Darbh, you are probably right because it was actually my KLASSE coat which I just applied last weekend that was getting the marring. I wasn`t getting any marring on my Z coats which are about two months old, but on the Klasse, I WAS getting the marring.

DK, I`ll check next weekend after my next wash to see if my marring is there.

[ISLANDSBEST]

DK - I understand and agree. Washing with Z7 will usually handle it.

Inter, yes, I agree.

In a prior post, I said I did not think the Charismas were causing the problem Inter reported. I wrote that while the Charismas were probably not causing the problem, the MF was curing the marring, or what I call smeariness, whereas the Charismas weren`t.

An experiment I am conducting seems to confirm this theory and supports DK`s ideas.

I have a <strong class=`bbc`>brand new[/b] lower door panel that I received, direct from the dealer, still in its unopenned, factory taped packaging. Openned the packaging myself. It was flawless. [As an aside, I have never seen anything so beautiful on a dealer`s lot. Shows you the harm that occures between the factory and when we take delivery. I mean, direct from the factory, the paint is UNBELIEVEABLE.]

I Dawned it (no clay), just for the heck of it, then Z1, Z2,Z6.
I keep the panel in my house, up high on a shelf near the ceiling (its hotter, better curing), and inverted (no dust). I take it down every couple days and Z2/Z6. This allows me to closely observe the process and effects under somewhat controlled conditions, at least more controlled than those affecting my car. I am also able to closely study the surface in a comfortable setting, with light I can control.

After a few coats, I observed the "smeariness." There is nothing terrible bad about it. In fact, I speculate it might be <em class=`bbc`>good[/i] . It might represent a potential sacrificial layer, somewhat protecting the hardened layers underneth. Also, though I can see it on close inspection, on the vehicle or when viewing the panel from a distance of more than three feet, or if the angle is not just right, I cannot see the smeariness. But, there is definitely something there. It moves around when rubbed with a cotton towel. It picks up lines in what ever direction it is stroked.

I Z6ed with Charisma. The smeariness stayed. I Z6ed several times. It lessened, but was still there.

I applied another coat of Z2 and let it dry overnight. I removed it, and let it set another day. I observed the smeariness. I Z6ed with MF. It went away immediately. Now, this is not necessarily a good thing. I could feel the MF "grabing" the panel. I believe the millions of MF ends were scrubing the smeary material off the panel. While this is seemingly good, obviously, we don`t want to remove TOO much of the Z.

Now, I have no doubt that if I used very, very thin coats of Z, the smeariness would be reduced, also.

I think that washing with Z7 handles the smeariness because in the washing and drying process the paint is rubbed a lot and the top, unbonded material that is smushing around is removed.

I will keep you informed of other results of the experiment. I had intended to put 10 coats of Z on the panel (matching the number I have on my car), then returning it to the dealer so he could put in on my car (replacing the one that got slightly damaged). Because damage to the existing panel is slight, I think I will keep the new panel for a while, in order to conduct more mad scientist experiements. It`s easier to work on and inspect the panel in a warm house than bent over, outside -- usually at night (and, its been cold at night in LA, at least cold for us)!

[BradE]

Very interesting experiment darbh. I am looking forward to any other findings.

[ISLANDSBEST]

I will keep you posted. I wish I had a gloss measuring device. Then I could measure after each coat and we would get some idea of the benefit (or detriment), at least in terms of shine, for each additional coat. I understand they are costly. Anyone know the cost?

[DETAILKING]

Some thoughts.......



I would suspect that smeariness was caused by Z1. Did you use Z1 just before you saw it, or just Z2?



Another thing is that after a few coats that panel is getting so SLICK, that Z2 might have trouble bonding to it. If it was outside, using the car, (wind resistance), and just being outside, would be enough for an additional coat to bond better. Same kind of idea with ZFX, as to why you can only do 3 coats at a time.



Z7 wash usually levels out the exess Z2 quite nice. Zaino contains no oils so that smeariness is polish that is not dried yet.......

[DETAILKING]

Look at this freshly painted hood.......



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[ISLANDSBEST]

Wow - nice paint DK. Man, I wish we could pick our cars up off the boat. I wonder if you can pick up a car directly at a US factory or, if they are taken to a depot, from the depot.



No, I had not just used Z1. I Z1ed, then have done about five coats of Z2 over two weeks. I think you may be right about the bonding. It may also be true that being inside, in spite of it being warm, the earlier coats may not have cured adaquately in the two days I am allowing between coats.



Again, I don`t see any big problem with this or any defect with Z.



I just applied a new coat, that was very thin. I will leave it on over night, so it really dries, then wipe it off tomorrow. Then, let another day go by, then see where it is at.



Bye the way, I picked up a couple small, fine lines on the panel (not enough to worry over, let alone do anything about), from a light brush of some metal-wrapped, flexible tubing against the panel. Paint is way too delicate. With all the science we have, the problem should have been solved decades ago.

[imported_Bunky]

Is there any practical difference between foam pads that have the velcro to the edge vs the stepped backed versions?

[imported_POPPAJ]

Safety!!!!!

[Street Dreams]

I prefer a little space between the velcro and foams edge, especially for a cutting pad as the foam is obviously more firm, on finishing pads it doesnt bother me in the slightest. But those pads that have the velcro all the way to the edge are easier to clean without tearing.