PC xp best option?

**00GREENMACHINE** · 08-16-2011, 12:28 PM

well I do this as a hobbie and not a job so I feel the GG will be better ESP if its got the lifetime warranty. It may be a hassle to return it but atleast you can. Will the kit for 199 with the 6.5 inch pads work fine?

**C. Charles Hahn** · 08-16-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by RaskyR1

I feel the G110v2 is just a hair behind the GG6 in power but has a much better build quality IMO....it will be my next purchase as the quality of the GG6 has not impressed me, regardless of it`s power

Another positive for the G110v2 is that it, unlike the GG6, has a cruise control circuit. I`ve heard more and more members who have had both machines say that the G110v2 is able to keep a pad rotating under pressure at lower speeds better than the GG6, even though it doesn`t have quite as much power to give when running the machine flat out.

As a G110v2 owner myself, I have to say that I`ve been nothing but impressed by the machine.

**mikenap** · 08-16-2011, 01:03 PM

I guess everyone`s experiences vary, because my first G110 died in the middle of a job within a couple of months of getting it. I bought the GG while waiting for Megs to send me a replacement. Since getting the GG, I rarely use the G110 except for spot work with 4" pads and it`s already sounding rough. It sounds as if the bearing is going to come apart at any time. I know another detailer who is having to replace the power cord on his 110, too.

If/when my 110 goes for a second time, it will be replaced with another GG. But this is definitely a case of YMMV.

**RaskyR1** · 08-16-2011, 01:49 PM

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**Paul Sparks** · 08-16-2011, 05:55 PM

I have three machines. The first original PC,a Megs g100v2 and the second generation Griots. I find myself reaching for the Griots more often then not. The megs seems a little smoother then the Griots with the Griots having the edge in raw power. With that said I still enjoy grabbing the old PC and slowing down the process and concentrating on the finish. I do not regret the purchase of any of these machines and find all of these will do the job for anyone that does this for a hobby and also cover most professional applications. On a side note I just purchased another Griots for my son-in-law for his birthday. I think the lifetime warranty will come in handy with the way he treats equipment.LOL.

**Concours.John** · 08-16-2011, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by RaskyR1

The GG6 has the most raw power, actually speed 6 is pretty much over kill and will smoke a lot of the foam pads out there. It can be found pretty cheap on Amazon during some of their sales. I picked up two of them and got one for $80. To me the $35 HD option is not needed but opinions will vary. Build quality is rather poor but it does have a lifetime warranty.

I feel the G110v2 is just a hair behind the GG6 in power but has a much better build quality IMO....it will be my next purchase as the quality of the GG6 has not impressed me, regardless of it`s power.

Just my $.02

I can agree with this. Casing seemed less durable and yet it was smoother. I found myself picking up my rattly PCXP. But that is based on what I use them for. Lifetime warranty means nothing if I have down time.
It`s like how the new Craftsman tool build quality. I can`t keep returning wrenches even if they are free if I need them to work. GG was sold for
new PCXP.

**mshu7** · 08-17-2011, 11:53 AM

Regarding the reliability and durability of the GG....

I`ve had my GG DA since it came out. I`ve not had any issues with the quality, reliability, or durability. It`s worked flawlessly for me 100% of the time.

**00GREENMACHINE** · 08-17-2011, 12:43 PM

sounds like a toss up.. GG for power and Meg for feel and looks. time to flip a coin. I like the combo package here with the GG and pads for like 189 there is no combo with the Megs.

**Concours.John** · 08-17-2011, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by mshu7

Regarding the reliability and durability of the GG....

I`ve had my GG DA since it came out. I`ve not had any issues with the quality, reliability, or durability. It`s worked flawlessly for me 100% of the time.

I never had issues just was a what if situation. The GG was like new. I just was concerned it could not handle the beating I gave the XP. I sold it for what I paid(had a good deal on purchase) when the XP after years died. It may be a case of my own worry of the unknown

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**mshu7** · 08-17-2011, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Concours.John

I never had issues just was a what if situation. The GG was like new. I just was concerned it could not handle the beating I gave the XP. I sold it for what I paid(had a good deal on purchase) when the XP after years died. It may be a case of my own worry of the unknown

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This is just my opinion and I have no proof to back it up, but I wonder if some of the DA failures (GG, and others) are from too much pressure/load/stress. Since the KBM came out, it seems like everyone talks about all the pressure they use on the DA to do correction. To me, the DA can only do so much. Especially when you consider how tiny that spindle is compared to a rotary spindle. Obviously the DA`s have come a long ways in the last few years, but I personally think people may be pushing them too much and expecting too much from them. I think it`s the reason why there are so many DA failures in general these days.

**Concours.John** · 08-17-2011, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by mshu7

This is just my opinion and I have no proof to back it up, but I wonder if some of the DA failures (GG, and others) are from too much pressure/load/stress. Since the KBM came out, it seems like everyone talks about all the pressure they use on the DA to do correction. To me, the DA can only do so much. Especially when you consider how tiny that spindle is compared to a rotary spindle. Obviously the DA`s have come a long ways in the last few years, but I personally think people may be pushing them too much and expecting too much from them. I think it`s the reason why there are so many DA failures in general these days.

Possibly because I was full rotary before.

**mshu7** · 08-17-2011, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Concours.John

Possibly because I was full rotary before.

I wasn`t trying to single you out. Sorry if it came across that way (probably shouldn`t have quoted your earlier response. Anyway, my opinion on DA failures was just a general opinion not meant for any one person here.

**Concours.John** · 08-17-2011, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by mshu7

I wasn`t trying to single you out. Sorry if it came across that way (probably shouldn`t have quoted your earlier response. Anyway, my opinion on DA failures was just a general opinion not meant for any one person here.

You are fine. I just wanted to clarify my opinion is just based on that. My opinion. Your all good.

**RaskyR1** · 08-18-2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by mshu7

This is just my opinion and I have no proof to back it up, but I wonder if some of the DA failures (GG, and others) are from too much pressure/load/stress. Since the KBM came out, it seems like everyone talks about all the pressure they use on the DA to do correction. To me, the DA can only do so much. Especially when you consider how tiny that spindle is compared to a rotary spindle. Obviously the DA`s have come a long ways in the last few years, but I personally think people may be pushing them too much and expecting too much from them. I think it`s the reason why there are so many DA failures in general these days.

I don`t think so. I`ve had my PC since 2005 and it`s still going strong today. I`ve had my PCXP for about 2 years now and it`s still going strong. My first 2 GG6`s broke with in the first couple weeks of owning them. Both my PC`s have done the Peter Pan off of my work bench and stool several times without issue, my GG unit fell of my work stand (about 30") and broke the outer housing as well as the internal structure the first time it fell.

A PM sent to me from another well know detailer discussing the GG quality...

Yeah, kinda figured. The machines are good but they dont seem to last. 3 went up in smoke. Pulled the back off and it looked like the comm in the electric motors failed. They were heavily burnt. The rest of the electrics were in tact. 1 was a bearing failure. The last was a replacement that griots sent me that went from speed three to six with no inbetween right out of the box. ****** has one in the shop that he has had since the came out with no issues. Thats the only one that is still going. Thank god for the lifetime warranty!

**mshu7** · 08-18-2011, 10:38 AM

That`s disappointing to hear about the lack of quality on the GG. I know the PC XP that I sold to a buddy of mine ended up breaking at the spindle not too long after I sold it to him and I know I`ve heard of other XP`s doing the same thing since they`ve been out. That`s what lead me to think the failures were related to the stress levels of the KBM.