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  • Rupes compared to other correction machines

    14 20.59%
  • Optimizing your pad choices for correction with Rupes

    19 27.94%
  • Washer Mod and why/how it works

    9 13.24%
  • Mirka Products

    10 14.71%
  • The background & future of Buff Daddy

    9 13.24%
  • OTHER

    7 10.29%
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  1. #16

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    Can`t wait for this

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    count me it. Even if all I have to offer is to harass Barry.
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    I`ll be there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben@Autopia
    count me it. Even if all I have to offer is to harass Barry.


    My guess is you`ll be busy making sure the servers don`t crash.... holy bandwidth batman!
    Charlie
    Automotive Appearance Specialist - Serving Greater Lansing, Michigan
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    I know where I will be March 20th @ 8:00pm ! It`s a date !! :Banane20:

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    which time zone is that? trying to work out what time it will be in Australia at 8pm on the 20th so I dont miss this
    Car care/detailing sadly isn`t high on the agenda for 98% of australians.

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    Bump for two days away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVR
    which time zone is that? trying to work out what time it will be in Australia at 8pm on the 20th so I dont miss this


    8PM Eastern Standard Time (GMT-5:00)
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    Automotive Appearance Specialist - Serving Greater Lansing, Michigan
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    I`ll be here at 5:00 Pacific Time... right?!

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    The chat starts at:

    2 pm Honolulu

    5 pm Los Angeles

    8 pm New York

    12 am London

    2 am Jerusalem

    8 am Perth

    11 am Sydney





    The chat room will be open earlier for those that like watching paint dry. :lever:
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    EPIC Chat Night!! Thanks to Kevin Brown and all that attended. I think it was a huge success. Here`s the chat history:


    Chat History

    Chat Conversation in chatroom Kevin Brown Chat Room on Mar 20th 2013 (1642 lines)

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    darkonion

    hi ben

    7:45 Ben@Autopia

    hey Dark

    7:46 and dschia

    7:46 dschia

    hi ben

    7:47 darkonion

    how`s it going?

    7:47 Ben@Autopia

    pretty good

    7:48 and you

    7:48 darkonion

    doing okay

    7:48 Ben@Autopia

    dont recall seeing your name before dschia. Are you new to autopia?

    7:49 dschia

    not really, but a lurker most of the time

    7:50 Ben@Autopia

    ahhh

    7:50 darkonion

    so ben, tell about this new 3d store opening up in san jose

    7:50 Ben@Autopia

    Unfortunately have not visited the store. It looks nice from the pics

    7:51 darkonion

    i see, cool

    7:52 Ben@Autopia

    are you going to go to their grand opening?

    7:52 darkonion

    going to try to, my parents live in the area

    7:52 Ben@Autopia

    go ahead...dad and ma need a visit too

    7:53 7:53 darkonion

    hehe

    7:54 wonder if there will be free schwag

    7:54 Ben@Autopia

    hey C

    7:54 darkonion

    everyone loves free schwag

    7:55 Ben@Autopia

    lots of free schwag

    7:55 darkonion

    hey charlie

    7:55 C. Charles Hahn

    Hey Ben, ready for your bandwidth to go through the roof?

    7:55 Hi Kevin

    7:55 darkonion

    so i should arrive early

    7:55 my name isn`t kevin

    7:55 7:55 yeah it is...

    7:55 hhahaha

    7:55 Ben@Autopia

    haha

    7:55 hybridhacker

    Is this the discussion on NuFinish?

    7:55 C. Charles Hahn

    lol

    7:55 Ben@Autopia

    Kevins not here man

    7:55 darkonion

    i ordered some m100 and some fg400

    7:56 waiting for that to come in the mail

    7:56 also some more 22ple

    7:56 since i ran out

    7:56 C. Charles Hahn

    M100 is awesome stuff.... FG400, only so-so for me thus far

    7:56 Ben@Autopia

    dark, save your money for the grand opening specials

    7:57 darkonion

    i don`t have any money... all gone...

    7:57 7:57 Ben@Autopia

    well, there is free food so you wont miss out completely

    7:57 lol

    7:57 darkonion

    hahaha

    7:58 trying to not purchase too much more stuff

    7:58 moving in a month

    7:58 hybridhacker

    Gloth in the house!

    7:58 gmblack3

    sup fellows. Just saying hi before I head into work

    7:58 Ben@Autopia

    ah

    7:58 gmblack3

    lol

    7:58 Ben@Autopia

    heya gm

    7:58 gmblack3

    sup HH

    7:58 hybridhacker

    Sup B

    7:58 gmblack3

    Ben how are you

    7:58 H squared

    7:59 hybridhacker

    I makes the moneeez!

    7:59 gmblack3

    tell Kevin I said hi and appreciate all his help!

    7:59 Ben@Autopia

    another warm beatiful so cal day followed by another 250 of em

    7:59 gmblack3

    colder here and rain for the w/e.

    7:59 Ben@Autopia

    great detail weather again

    7:59 hybridhacker

    How can KB be late to his own party?

    7:59 Ben@Autopia

    youch

    8:00 gmblack3

    I see he is online

    8:00 C. Charles Hahn

    First day of spring, it`s less than 30 degrees and snowing outside.

    8:00 fabz

    Hi guys! Its 10 am here on the Gold Coast of Oz.

    8:00 gmblack3

    cool oz

    8:00 Ben@Autopia

    send him an invite

    8:00 darkonion

    https://www.facebook.c...eater

    8:00 that`s what i did the other day

    8:00 8:00 fabz

    taking the day off, used this chat as an excuse.

    8:00 Ben@Autopia

    I stayed at the gold coast once

    8:01 in Vegas

    8:01 C. Charles Hahn

    Hey Greg

    8:01 darkonion

    gabz, is that australia?

    8:01 Ben@Autopia

    8:01 Greg Nichols

    <---paint blader here

    8:01 darkonion

    fabz*

    8:01 hybridhacker

    G money!

    8:01 Greg Nichols

    whats up benny

    8:01 fabz

    it`s aweseome, I love it here... got the beach, montains, good weather...

    8:01 Ben@Autopia

    heyas G

    8:01 hybridhacker

    has shared a handwritten message

    8:02 Greg Nichols

    hey ya ben

    8:02 gmblack3

    GN

    8:02 fabz

    pretty women

    8:02 Paul Sparks

    Kevin is trying to find the way in

    8:02 fabz

    ...

    8:02 C. Charles Hahn

    Hi Paul

    8:02 Ben@Autopia

    I hope he is not on an ipad

    8:02 darkonion

    hi paul

    8:02 Paul Sparks

    Hope he isn`t on a ipad

    8:02 Greg Nichols

    I bet chad can detail a car hybrid style and chat at the same time

    8:02 Paul Sparks

    Hey Charles ,Kevin

    8:02 gmblack3

    just like a mullet, gloss up top and hack down low

    8:02 Greg Nichols

    LOL bryan

    8:03 mikenap

    Yo!

    8:03 hybridhacker

    LOLZ

    8:03 gmblack3

    ok guys got to roll to work

    8:03 C. Charles Hahn

    Uh oh... Mike`s here lol

    8:03 mikenap

    lol

    8:03 gmblack3

    if KB makes it send him my hackness

    8:03 Greg Nichols

    mikes okay, we`ll just have to keep him in the corner

    8:03 mikenap

    Bryan, you really leaving?

    8:03 gmblack3

    yes for work

    8:03 hybridhacker

    Go do work son!

    8:03 gmblack3

    later

    8:03 Greg Nichols

    later

    8:04 mikenap

    later

    8:04 no guest of honor yet?

    8:04 Greg Nichols

    KB is still trying to find the chat room

    8:04 I`ll go get him

    8:04 mikenap

    Pick a color Greg

    8:05 Kevin Brown

    Yay!

    8:05 C. Charles Hahn

    The man of the hour has arrived!

    8:05 Greg Nichols

    I`m trying

    8:05 darkonion

    Hello

    8:05 Perfections

    sweet

    8:05 Greg Nichols

    hello onion

    8:05 darkonion

    hello greg

    8:06 Ben@Autopia

    there is the man of the hour

    8:06 Kevin Brown

    Freaking out, man, had to call Chad.

    8:06 Greg Nichols

    how does one make this window larger?

    8:06 fabz

    yes want to know that too

    8:06 Kevin Brown

    Popout button

    8:06 Flash Gordon

    where is chad

    8:06 fabz

    so tiny

    8:06 yes got it

    8:07 Kevin Brown

    Chad is in Cognito, MN

    8:07 Greg Nichols

    how many can this room hold

    8:07 mikenap

    Hopefully a lot

    8:07 darkonion

    so... how about kentucky huh?

    8:07 lasted a whole round

    8:07 Paul Sparks

    Glad to see you found the secret entrance Kevin

    8:07 hybridhacker

    We need Dasher and his gifs

    8:07 darkonion

    well... almost a whole round

    8:07 Kevin Brown

    Hmm, I couldn`t find the bar at the bottom because I was using Autopia Classic

    8:07 C. Charles Hahn

    Should hold right up until the server crashes from overloading

    8:07 Flash Gordon

    lol yes

    8:07 Greg Nichols

    so no go making the window larger?

    8:08 hybridhacker

    popout G

    8:08 Kevin Brown

    Yes Greg, hit the POPOUT button at the top.

    8:08 mikenap

    popout

    8:08 Paul Sparks

    Well Kevin welcome to the chatroom. It`s all yours now.

    8:08 Greg Nichols

    I think it worked

    8:08 hybridhacker

    We have questions KB has answers.

    8:09 mikenap

    what`s on the agenda for tonight...I`m taking notes!

    8:09 Kevin Brown

    Oh, no.... I wanted to blend in. That`s why I didn`t change my type color.

    8:09 Flash Gordon

    Anyone attending detailfest?

    8:09 Ben@Autopia

    probably handle a few hundred chatters before it breaks.

    8:09 mikenap

    Jeff!

    8:09 gofast908z

    Hey folks

    8:09 hybridhacker

    Jeff`s here...I`m out!

    8:09 Greg Nichols

    yo jeff

    8:10 C. Charles Hahn

    Howdy Jeff

    8:10 Greg Nichols

    oh wrong jeff

    8:10 hybridhacker

    8:10 gofast908z

    haha

    8:10 Kevin Brown

    Well, it`s been a great run, but I have to come clean that all of my info to this point I have stolen from BEN..!

    8:10 Greg Nichols

    8:10 gofast908z

    NOT suggs

    8:10 Ben@Autopia

    8:10 Greg Nichols

    <----paint blader here

    8:10 mikenap

    For one night only....unban Suggs!

    8:10 gofast908z

    can you make the chatroom window larger?

    8:10 Kevin Brown

    hit the popout button at the top

    8:11 C. Charles Hahn

    Popout button

    8:11 Ben@Autopia

    click the pop out..you can make full screen

    8:11 gofast908z

    excellent!

    8:11 thanks!

    8:11 the orig window was the size of my iphone.....not gonna work lol

    8:11 Kevin Brown

    Kevin "Don`t ask me about pad choice" Brown, here.

    8:11 Ayyyy...

    8:12 Paul Sparks

    Thanks for giving up some time to visit the Autopia.Org chatroom Kevin

    8:12 gofast908z

    Howdy Kevin! Thanks for doing this!

    8:12 Kevin Brown

    Are oyu kidding me?! I thought they`d never ask!!

    8:12 Ben@Autopia

    Kevin, are you going discuss with us the proper use of razor blade to remove overspray?

    8:12 Perfections

    i hope so thats what im here for

    8:13 fabz

    I want to buy the 21 but refuse to pay $700 here in Oz

    8:13 Ben@Autopia

    sorry, could not resist

    8:13 Kevin Brown

    I`m usually rushing to print shipping tags and make it to the Post Office by 5:30... not so today.

    8:13 Paul Sparks

    Col

    8:13 Hey John

    8:13 gofast908z

    I heard rusty blades work best because they grab the overspray more

    8:13 hey John

    8:13 Kevin Brown

    I`ve asked if I can get ahold Austrailian machines... I even sent an e-mail again today! No response.

    8:14 CONCOURS.JOHN

    hey guys

    8:14 C. Charles Hahn

    Hi John

    8:14 Kevin Brown

    HI!

    8:14 mikenap

    Hey John

    8:14 Flash Gordon

    Hello

    8:15 fabz

    Have you guys tried to blade interiors? Works great and you save on chemicals...

    8:15 Paul Sparks

    Any certain topic you want to cover Kevin ?

    8:15 Hey Flash

    8:15 Flash Gordon

    Pad Size!

    8:15 Paul Sparks

    Welcome Bill

    8:15 gofast908z

    other than blades lol

    8:15 Flash Gordon

    Hi Paul

    8:15 Kevin Brown

    Dang, man. Usually I go to the drive through and I get shorted a couple items... this time I ended up with TWO extra tacos..!

    8:15 Hoytman

    Hi Paul!

    8:15 Bill D

    thanks

    8:15 mikenap

    Karma

    8:15 Kevin Brown

    No, I`m open to whatever.

    8:15 fabz

    No response not a good sign...

    8:15 Flash Gordon

    Sweet!

    8:16 mikenap

    Hi Alex

    8:16 Hoytman

    Hello Mr. Hahn!

    8:16 darkonion

    I`ll start, How does one best optimize the Rupes 21mm??

    8:16 boredstudent

    Hi Mike

    8:16 Nanolex US

    hello all

    8:16 gofast908z

    washer mod FTW

    8:16 mikenap

    Washer mod, first of all

    8:16 C. Charles Hahn

    Hey Hoytman, long time no see!

    8:16 Kevin Brown

    I know, but I was once told that I could not get them because there was already dealers there. But then on FB, I saw a guy saying he was getting his through Todd, so I asked why can`t I get them?

    8:17 darkonion

    That is, are there any common mistakes we need to be aware of while operating the machine

    8:17 boredstudent

    lol KB

    8:17 mikenap

    Watch out for the deathgrip Velcro...it can kill pads

    8:17 Paul Sparks

    Yep

    8:17 Nanolex US

    Anyone use the Spotless machine

    8:18 gofast908z

    work those pads of the velcro....gently

    8:18 Hoytman

    Yeah...no kiddin`. Been missin` some of you guys. Paul invited me over sometime ago, but I always forget. Just happened on it tonight.

    8:18 Kevin Brown

    http://www.autopia.org....html

    8:18 darkonion

    Solution for the deathgrip velcro?

    8:18 C. Charles Hahn

    Speaking of the velcro, what exactly IS the difference between the blue and grey-backed backing plates from Rupes?

    8:18 mikenap

    exactly. start at a corner and work your way around.

    8:18 Kevin Brown

    darkonion and charles... there are more hooks on the blue, and they have a slightly different profile.

    8:19 Paul Sparks

    Great thread for info

    8:19 mikenap

    Isn`t blue the standard one?

    8:20 darkonion

    Do I need the gray backing plate, or is the blue one fine?

    8:20 And do you have a solution for the trigger lock?

    8:20 mikenap

    Barry!

    8:20 Greg Nichols

    oh damn barrys here

    8:20 hybridhacker

    BB in the house!

    8:21 C. Charles Hahn

    Gotcha. Both of mine are blue.

    8:21 mikenap

    I think the trigger lock issue is more just getting used to it.

    8:21 Kevin Brown

    It is now. From what I heard (Greg)... Marco changed the Velcro because he knew we were using the spacer and he anticipated pads flinging from the plate

    8:21 Flash Gordon

    hey barry theal!

    8:21 Ben@Autopia

    The Prez is here, all hail

    8:21 Greg Nichols

    that is correct KB.....that is the sense I got from them

    8:21 Paul Sparks

    Hey Barry

    8:21 Kevin Brown

    Originally, BigFoots came with the 981.320 plate: http://www.buffdaddy.c...1.320

    8:21 Barry Theal

    Whats going on all?

    8:22 Greg Nichols

    grumpy!

    8:22 Kevin Brown

    Did you see the photos of the trigger lock?

    8:22 Barry Theal

    Kevin so what are the future plans for buffdaddy.com

    8:22 Flash Gordon

    i think marco is jealous of you

    8:22 Ron Ketcham

    made it back from the trim restoration delivery.

    8:22 boredstudent

    what photos of trigger lock?

    8:22 Barry Theal

    Hello everyone

    8:22 C. Charles Hahn

    Good timing Ron

    8:23 darkonion

    i haven`t seen the picture of the trigger lock

    8:23 Greg Nichols

    hey ya barry and ron

    8:23 Paul Sparks

    Kevin was just talking about the velcro on the Rupes

    8:23 Ron Ketcham

    hello everyone, Kevin welcome to the asylum.

    8:23 Kevin Brown

    I`m a point-n-shoot kind of guy, Barry. I take all my orders from Ben. We agreed that I wouldn`t sell 3D because it would then be obvious that I wanted working alone...

    8:23 hybridhacker

    Buggy Barry

    8:23 Nanolex US

    Barry is a celeb here, lol

    8:23 Hoytman

    I`m a newb here. LOL!

    8:24 Flash Gordon

    barry = legend

    8:24 Ron Ketcham

    A very nice turn out for Kevin`s discussion.

    8:24 Kevin Brown

    Thanks, Ron, you`ve been keeping everyone on the straight and narrow, squashing hype?

    8:24 CONCOURS.JOHN

    My main question parameters CFM and Pressure to keep the LHR75 most effective. Want one but want to make sure compressor will keep up.

    8:24 Flash Gordon

    where is rasky, snowed in?

    8:25 Greg Nichols

    KB= EF hutton when he talks people listen

    8:25 rasky is doing a hybrid detail and chatting

    8:25 Barry Theal

    Rasky, I wonder where that knuckle head is?

    8:25 Greg Nichols

    8:25 Barry Theal

    lol

    8:25 mikenap

    lol

    8:25 Barry Theal

    lmao

    8:25 Kevin Brown

    trigger lock pics: http://www.autopia.org...33453

    8:25 boredstudent

    lol...rasky too busy enjoying himself while wife is away...=)

    8:25 Greg Nichols

    later rasky will have to take some time for the photoshop work needed to show that detail

    8:26 hybridhacker

    LHR75 is an air hog but man does it rock!

    8:26 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, through your efforts, a new and welcomed interest in the use of dual actions have been reborn. Would you care to elaborate on that a bit?

    8:26 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Wrong site for that

    8:26 Paul Sparks

    Does any kind of lube help brake the trigger lock in or aid it`s operation ?

    8:26 Kevin Brown

    John, you`ve very likely got WAY more experience with compressors that I do. That being said, I can use my LHR75 with my 25 gallon Craftsman compressor without an issue. However- it is a two-stage unit.

    8:27 CONCOURS.JOHN

    gotcha

    8:27 hybridhacker

    What CFM is your Comp KB?

    8:27 Kevin Brown

    hybridhacker: http://community.craft...views

    8:28 John, the shop you work out of has a large compressor, correct?

    8:29 CONCOURS.JOHN

    I downgraded from a 3phase 200psi 20cfm temendously

    8:29 tank was 150 gal

    8:30 Barry Theal

    Kevin after all the Rupes craze that you created is there one product or tool that you use and carry, that is a goto tool for a detailer? For example a denibber or something that isn`t talked about much?

    8:30 hybridhacker

    Don`t see CFM specs but I`ll check it out later. Thanks!

    8:30 Ron Ketcham

    That good air storage, I guess with that 20 cfm and 200 line pressure you had a really good, high quality regulator.

    8:31 Flash Gordon

    good question barry! [IMG]file:///C:\Users\ben\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\cl ip_image001.gif[/IMG]

    8:32 Kevin Brown

    Ron, thanks, but I think part of the reason the random orbital has become popular is simply because through the forums, a few guys really tried to achieve a better result, gave the machine a "fair shot" so to speak.

    Certainly, I did try to provide some information as to how to do this.

    But really, with the advent of thinner pads and discs came the ability for the machines motion to be more perfectly transferred through the pad.

    Then BAM! A compound revolution took place.

    8:32 mikenap

    I haven`t heard much about the Rupes polishes. Can you give any info about those?

    8:32 Hoytman

    HaHA...BAM...Where`s Emeril?

    8:33 Flash Gordon

    good question mikenap! i was wondering the same

    8:33 Nanolex US

    Is the Rupes so much better that it`s time to dump my porter cable.

    8:33 Ron Ketcham

    At first I didn`t "grasp" that simple change you introduced, and yet when thinking it though, it made sense, thinner pad with the correct pad material will allow for a product to be more effective in it`s intended use.

    8:33 Kevin Brown

    Barry, I still use a rotary, a "typical" random orbital, and when air is available, I bring along various tools.

    8:34 Flash Gordon

    this screen is super small

    8:34 mikenap

    popout button, Flash

    8:34 Ron Ketcham

    The use of the "thinner" yet correct pad, allows the actions of the dual action to be more effective.

    8:34 Greg Nichols

    flash use the pop out icon on the top

    8:34 hybridhacker

    I`ll ask the one question that has been asked a million times now....any side by side comparisons with the 3401 yet?

    8:34 Perfections

    Kevin, Ive been a long time rotary user, then swapped to d/a then flex 3401. Most people I talk 2 dislike the flex, but i actually like it. Would buying the rupes speed things up over the flex on big flat surfaces? What about finishing down ability compared to flex?

    8:34 CONCOURS.JOHN

    It was from a machine shop. compressor seized and was sold not long after I opened. 400 for new compressor It was 4 outlet 4 regulator but quiet.

    8:34 Flash Gordon

    holy cow!!! thanks greg nichols!!!!!

    8:35 mikenap

    Compared to a Flex, the Rupes is smoother, quieter and easier to handle.

    8:35 Flash Gordon

    you to mikenap!!!!!

    8:35 mikenap

    8:35 Flash Gordon

    much better

    8:36 CONCOURS.JOHN

    yes Rupes is very smooth have LHR15

    8:36 darkonion

    Hybrid, I have both, Rupes is much better.

    8:36 mikenap

    Can`t really one-hand operate a Flex...

    8:36 Nanolex US

    Then i`ll have to get one.

    8:36 Barry Theal

    Hell with a rupes you can operate while sending text messages! lol

    8:37 gofast908z

    Jose was walking his on a leash (the cord) one handed. Name one other machine that can do that!

    8:37 C. Charles Hahn

    Anybody tried swapping the cord on the Rupes to a more flexible one yet?

    8:37 hybridhacker

    LMAO, Barry

    8:37 gofast908z

    ditto on that Charlie....cord has rigor mortis

    8:37 darkonion

    Nanolex, I`d get the Rupes if I could justify the price. At MSRP of $400 or something...

    8:37 Perfections

    Mike, thanks for your input and i understand that to be the case from people Ive talked 2. But im concerned with speed. If im able to do better correction work in less time, thats my goal

    8:37 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Next on my list Charles.

    8:37 Kevin Brown

    Rupes gels... I think that if you only had those in your arsenal, you could achieve a very good result. I have not "pushed" those liquids to anywhere near the level I have with something like M105.

    I use M105 likely for a thousand hours (or close to it) prior to its release. I learned a LOT by using only ONE capable liquid.... how to optimize cutting AND finishing ability.

    I think they are very good, but I don`t think they`re at a level that will make any one of them a "class leader". I suggest trying the 8.45 ounce bottles, as they are not all that expensive. YOu`d probably end up using up the bottles, too, because they are very good.

    8:37 Flash Gordon

    hate to sound stupid amongst all you gurus, but what is the difference between the 15 and 21? Is one meant for 5" pads and the other for 6"? surely there is more then that

    8:37 Nanolex US

    U mean multi task while buffing, haha

    8:37 Greg Nichols

    I`ve spoken with Marco RUPES about this cord

    8:37 Barry Theal

    Dark Onion that price is very small for what your actually getting!

    8:37 Greg Nichols

    he said its the best they can get in Italy

    8:38 hybridhacker

    Charles...one thing nice about the stiff cord is that it`s easy to coil back up nice and neat again.

    8:38 Nanolex US

    I`m all over it.

    8:38 Hoytman

    As a newb I was contemplating the 3401. I liked it, but now I`m not so sure...I mean why fight "it" IF the RUPES is that much better. Then again the machine is new and already there are complaints about the cords. The 3401 doesn`t seem to have issues other than some not liking how it feels.

    8:38 Greg Nichols

    I`ve gotten the cord to relax some

    8:38 Flash Gordon

    everyone quit talkingt till my questions get answered

    8:38 darkonion

    Flash, 15 is a 15mm orbit, 21 is a 21mm orbit. Autogeek has a video online showing the difference

    8:38 CONCOURS.JOHN

    105 with some playing and water can finish almost as nice as 205.

    8:38 Kevin Brown

    how do stop the message box from auto-scrolling?!? I can`t keep up!

    8:38 gofast908z

    how Greg?

    8:38 Greg Nichols

    by pulling it over one of the handles in my garage doors

    8:38 darkonion

    Hoytman, forget about the Flex

    8:39 I didn`t like it, and I got it way less than retail.

    8:39 Flash Gordon

    okay, thanks onion!

    8:39 Greg Nichols

    kind of like pulling fishing line through a piece of rubber it takes the momory out of it

    8:39 Paul Sparks

    sorry but it won`t stop.lol.

    8:39 mikenap

    The cord and trigger issues are minor, IMO. The correction speed and ease of use are the key selling points.

    8:39 C. Charles Hahn

    The cord isn`t bad from the standpoint of it being prone to fail, just that it`s a little on the stiff side. Minor gripe at worst

    8:39 Kevin Brown

    Ah, the cords are stiff, but it`s no deal-breaker. The reverse rotation, the direct drive.... deal breaker for me.

    8:40 darkonion

    Barry, as a hobbyist, I couldn`t justify the $300 price difference... but I will agree that it is worth every dollar!

    8:40 hybridhacker

    Greg...was it old age?

    8:40 mikenap

    Thanks for the answer of the Rupes liquids, Kevin!

    8:40 Greg Nichols

    chad go back to your photoshop work

    8:40 Paul Sparks

    Darkonion (Kevin) You have the 21 don`t you ?

    8:41 Hoytman

    Yes, but can`t you get correction with its forced rotation that can`t be gotten with the action of the RUPES.

    8:41 Flash Gordon

    I missed the answer to the RUPES polishes

    8:41 Nanolex US

    Does one need to get all new pads with the Rupes all can use my old Porter???

    8:41 Hoytman

    I don`t know that`s why I`m asking. I don`t have either machine.

    8:41 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, I am very reluctant to bring this up, but then there is no correct time, it will eventually come into play. What with the growing industrial might of a couple of nations, one which is very good at spotting trends in all industries, and reverse engineering products, do you foresee another da coming to market that is equal or close to the Rupes?

    8:41 mikenap

    Rupes works fine with all my current collection of pads

    8:42 boredstudent

    Flash - go back to the small chat window, the history is there

    8:42 Paul Sparks

    IMO the longer stroke wins over the forced rotation.

    8:42 darkonion

    Paul, i do.

    8:42 Nanolex US

    Thx Mike

    8:42 Flash Gordon

    thanks student!

    8:42 mikenap

    Agree with Paul

    8:42 gofast908z

    The thing that bugs me about the cord it is getting caught on tires and my extension cord etc... but a small prob. Love me some RUPES!

    8:42 darkonion

    Hoytman, do you need to press down so hard that you`ll actually get the pad to stop rotating?

    8:42 mikenap

    No problem!

    8:43 Flash Gordon

    i`m thinking i want the 21

    8:43 Kevin Brown

    Flash, if you have a rotary buffer and the pad is centered, there`s no offset. If you removed the pad, marked the center of it with a pen, and then offset the centeering of the pad 4mm, when it spins that little dot will travel along a circular path that measures 8mm across.

    8:43 C. Charles Hahn

    Ron, those growing industrial nations can`t match the build quality of the Italians. Wouldn`t meet the bargain price point if they did.

    8:43 mikenap

    Flash, you really do. It`s awesome.

    8:43 darkonion

    Flash, you definitely need one, it`s amazing

    8:44 gofast908z

    <------- grateful the Italian RUPES is built better than some Italian cars

    8:44 Flash Gordon

    kb...are you the only aurthorized repair facility in the usa?

    8:44 hybridhacker

    AG in the house! LOL

    8:44 mikenap

    Lol@Jeff

    8:44 C. Charles Hahn

    rofl

    8:44 Hoytman

    Thus far I`ve used a rotary mostly. Even when I used my Meg`s unit I didn`t find much need for a lot of pressure. Then again, my experience is limited.

    8:45 CONCOURS.JOHN

    i can attest to its abilities even with colorsand corection

    8:45 gofast908z

    and it doesn`t come with RIDS/pigtails/trails LOL

    8:45 Kevin Brown

    Hoytman... I think you can get as good as or faster cutting with the 21... than the 3401. The 15? I don`t think so unless you really knew how to work clean, fully prime the pad, water spritz the panel as you worked it, etc...

    8:45 Nanolex US

    U guys are kidding me or what, we can send a man to the moon but we can`t build a better or similar to Rupes....

    8:45 Hoytman

    Thanks Kevin!

    8:45 Ron Ketcham

    Rupes, and from what I have been following in forums and such, has you to thank for making the product known to the detailing industry in the USA. They have created a "brand" awareness. However, the price point is always a concern that must be addressed in the continuing growing of a brand and it`s distribution. Do you feel that Rupes will perhaps make some changes in their price points as they continue to grow in the market place?

    8:46 Flash Gordon

    gotcha kevin

    8:46 darkonion

    Honestly, if someone wants to see a side by side, 3401 vs Bigfoot 21mm, I`ll do it!

    8:46 Flash Gordon

    i think i do anyway :/

    8:46 mikenap

    Do it with same pads and compounds, not like the BS DW thread

    8:47 hybridhacker

    LOL

    8:47 gofast908z

    ^ hahaha

    8:47 Kevin Brown

    Ron, I think most companies are copying, following the others.

    I wish Cyclo would build a singel-head machine. They`ve already got the manufacturing capability (although I don`t certainly know if they build their machines!), they already use a large stroke (8mm offset=16mmø orbit).

    8:47 Ron Ketcham

    i realize that my question is asking a very personal response.

    8:47 Nanolex US

    I`m a big believer that you get what u pay for, if it`s that good then it`s worth the money!

    8:47 darkonion

    I am broke though... but yeah...

    8:48 mikenap

    Andrew!

    8:48 Barry Theal

    Automania How are ya girl

    8:48 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Hey Andrew!!

    8:48 AndrewBigA

    hey guys

    8:48 Paul Sparks

    about time Andrew

    8:48 Ron Ketcham

    Andrew, Gina, good evening.

    8:48 mikenap

    Get ready to ditch your Mak, buddy

    8:48 Barry Theal

    Oh maN big A is here now!

    8:48 darkonion

    If i do a side by side, i need a few pads, and a painted cookie sheet or something

    8:49 Kevin Brown

    It sure was an "event" in my head when I spotted the 21 printed across that Rupes at the 2011 SEMA Show. Marco the engineer was standing there in that booth, probably cussing in his head that nobody walking by really understood the potential of his Italian machine.

    8:49 Hoytman

    I agree with what Kevin said about cyclo. I`m all about buying American when I can.

    8:49 AndrewBigA

    shut up barry

    8:49 Barry Theal

    lol

    8:49 AndrewBigA

    =)

    8:49 Flash Gordon

    i only have $400 now. do you do layaway like wal mart?

    8:49 Nanolex US

    Dark - you just gave me a great idea but can`t use it here yet. lol

    8:49 AndrewBigA

    flashgordon in here?

    8:50 who let him in here?

    8:50 Flash Gordon

    yes, but don`t tell anyone

    8:50 Ron Ketcham

    Hoyt, it may say American on it, but that may only mean "assembled in America", with most parts being sourced from out of the USA.

    8:50 mikenap

    ^ truth

    8:50 CONCOURS.JOHN

    We are just leading you in Andrew first LED then the Rupes

    8:50 gofast908z

    Whats up Big A!!

    8:50 Hoytman

    I understand that.

    8:50 AndrewBigA

    jeff!

    8:50 2 more days to see the barber

    8:51 its been abt 4 mnnths

    8:51 dschia

    Hi Kevin, does the 21 fitted with 5" plate will cause any unbalance issue? Is it something you recommend doing?

    8:51 mikenap

    you lose a bet with that jewfro???

    8:51 hybridhacker

    lol

    8:51 AndrewBigA

    no

    8:51 Nanolex US

    Barry must be be Detailing now while typing!!!

    8:51 AndrewBigA

    i made a promise to myself

    8:51 that im goign ot hold out on the fro for as long as i could

    8:51 Kevin Brown

    As to the price... I was instrumental in keeping it BELOW $400. It sells for a lot more in other parts of the world, rotary-action machines such as Festool and Fein sell at $400+.... the Rotex RO 150 FEQ sells at $525.00! I figured if they would keep the price in the "range" of the 3401, and the other Flex rotaries, we could "steal" away sales from those machines. I took some heat initially for wanting that price, but it has held, than goodness!

    8:51 Paul Sparks

    Anything new coming from Buffdaddy in the near future ?

    8:51 Barry Theal

    Gil I really don`t detail, I pay others to do that

    8:52 C. Charles Hahn

    dschia -- balance is fine, I`ve been using a 21 with the 5" plate for a few months now

    8:52 Ben@Autopia

    100% right Ron. With Chemicals as well. A majority or raw materials can be sourced back to overseas

    8:52 gofast908z

    The RUPES 21 is worth going into debt for it.

    8:52 Nanolex US

    I hear ya budd...

    8:52 Kevin Brown

    Once a Chinese knockoff comes along for $100 less, then Rupes will have to respond, or hold fast on their philosophy of high-quality, lower production, versus cheap-cheap.

    8:52 Nanolex US

    We need to catch up.

    8:52 mikenap

    The Rupes saves so much time, it will pay for itself before you know it

    8:53 gofast908z

    I`d love to see a 21 retrofitted with LED lights in the body....crazy idea i know

    8:53 dschia

    Thks Charles.

    8:53 Ben@Autopia

    like a modded PC case, but a buffer

    8:53 hybridhacker

    Good idea Jeff

    8:53 fabz

    most used/ first choice cutting pad for the 21 at the moment?

    8:53 mikenap

    Hi Dana

    8:54 Paul Sparks

    Hey Dana

    8:54 hybridhacker

    Dana is here...I`m leaving

    8:54 gofast908z

    take the idea of a LED head-light and apply it to the machine

    8:54 Asphalt Rocket

    Hey Mike

    8:54 hybridhacker

    8:54 mikenap

    Meg`s MF cutting or finishing

    8:54 Perfections

    will the rupes 21 save me time vs the 3401?

    8:54 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, over my years in the car care industry, I have worked with several Italian companies. They have some big "economic" issues over there, with work forces, goverment, etc. It will be interesting to see how they respond in the coming two years to the inroads they have made at this point in North America.

    8:54 AndrewBigA

    ya jeff & add a gopro to that as well & your set

    8:54 Ben@Autopia

    take what you use now for pads. Put on the 21 and they work beter

    8:54 gofast908z

    I run the finishing almost all the time

    8:54 mikenap

    Yes, I think so

    8:54 gofast908z

    cutting with the washer is almost too aggressive

    8:54 I`m so getting a gopro mounted to the rupes now

    8:54 AndrewBigA

    lol

    8:55 Asphalt Rocket

    hybridhacker, great name-lol

    8:55 gofast908z

    probably a laser sight while i`m at it

    8:55 CONCOURS.JOHN

    105 on finishing almost LSP ready

    8:55 gofast908z

    you know, for "tactical" polishing

    8:55 ^ truth

    8:55 hybridhacker

    I thought you`d like that.

    8:55 boredstudent

    KEVIN - I remember seeing a while back, you had cut down a rupes pad and made it low profile. Was there a benefit to that or were you just tinkering around?

    8:55 mikenap

    speaking of videos....when is Gellas and A doing the showdown?

    8:56 Kevin Brown

    Ron, hopefully all the money I`m spending with them will help to stabilize things!

    8:56 darkonion

    Where I can get one of those sprayed cookie sheets you test on?

    8:56 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Yes I`d like to see my lights again mikenap??!!

    8:56 AndrewBigA

    when i clean up my messy garage in a few weeks mike

    8:56 dont worry, i didnt forget abt that

    8:57 mikenap

    lol@John

    8:57 AndrewBigA

    thats going to go down

    8:57 Autowerx

    Good evening everyone

    8:57 hybridhacker

    Onion....http://www.detailedima...ture/

    8:57 AndrewBigA

    john when do u want me to send them back?

    8:57 lo

    8:57 mikenap

    John, if I wanted YOU to make me a light stand like that, roughly how much would you charge...I`m electrically inept or else I`d try to do it myself

    8:57 Flash Gordon

    I feel like buying a RUPES tonite!!!

    8:57 Ben@Autopia

    I would guess cutting down on a pad would increase heat and lessen the life of the pad?

    8:58 AndrewBigA

    johns lights are great bc they are 4 bulbs wide

    8:58 hybridhacker

    Restaurant supply stores

    8:58 Nanolex US

    Go for it..

    8:58 darkonion

    Nice, but I was looking to maybe purchase one??

    8:58 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Just let me know when you and Greg can check them out. Thats why I sent them. All good.

    8:58 Kevin Brown

    Bored student, are you talking about an Exact-Fit plate? I cut down the Rupes 6" plate and make a plate as small as 5-1/4" with it. They are lower profile than the standard 5" plate. They is merit in the fact that a shorter plate would not magnify small movements of the machine...

    8:58 Flash Gordon

    you think i should?

    8:58 Kevin Brown

    "gofast908z: I`d love to see a 21 retrofitted with LED lights in the body....crazy idea i know"

    8:59 hybridhacker

    KB you shaved down a Rupes pad and posted it on FB a while back

    8:59 Kevin Brown

    Do you know how EASY this is to do?!?!

    8:59 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, your "educational" work for the industry is so well known, you are known as one who is dedicated to the industry. Could you offer any well intended advice to those who are new or just starting to enter the industry, that could be benefical?

    8:59 Paul Sparks

    Flash-Buffdaddy.com is open 24/7

    8:59 Barry Theal

    Flash Gordon http://www.buffdaddy.c...rupes

    8:59 Asphalt Rocket

    Spend that money Flash

    9:00 Barry Theal

    welcome yvan

    9:00 mikenap

    Hey Yvan

    9:00 boredstudent

    Chad knows what i`m talking about. you shaved a rupes pad, not BP and posted in detailer buddies

    9:00 Paul Sparks

    Yvan-welcome

    9:00 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Welcom Yvan!

    9:00 reparebrise

    evening all

    9:00 better late than dead

    9:01 Paul Sparks

    I saw the cut down pad post also

    9:01 CONCOURS.JOHN

    LOL

    9:01 Nanolex US

    $400.00 is crazyyyyyy

    9:01 gofast908z

    its EASY Kevin? Do you have one in the works?

    9:01 Ron Ketcham

    Yvan, welcome, now post in English, not Quebec French!

    9:01 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Pay to play.

    9:01 mikenap

    $400 is comparable to a 3401

    9:02 hybridhacker

    $400 is like 1/4 the money from a detail for the Big Dogs

    9:02 Asphalt Rocket

    I can cut pads down for you on my table saw Kevin

    9:02 Nanolex US

    Damn right!!!!

    9:02 hybridhacker

    lol

    9:02 reparebrise

    mange de la merde Ron

    9:02 C. Charles Hahn

    This is by far the busiest I`ve ever seen this chat room... I`m impressed!

    9:02 Ron Ketcham

    Don`t talk **** to me Yvan!

    9:02 gofast908z

    Kevin, I`ll take a 21 LED edition right now....shoot me the bill

    9:02 mikenap

    Hmm, I don`t know french but I understood that!

    9:02 hybridhacker

    Rupes pays for itself in just a few cars

    9:02 Kevin Brown

    OH! the buffing pad!

    9:02 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Iknow what means Yvan

    9:03 Nanolex US

    I`m gonna get one for sure.

    9:03 hybridhacker

    lol

    9:03 Kevin Brown

    DANA!! Where do I send the box!!!

    9:03 Flash Gordon

    I`m checking out buffdaddy.com!

    9:03 Kevin Brown

    I may have spoken too soon on the LED thingy...

    9:03 Asphalt Rocket

    I will text it to you

    9:03 AndrewBigA

    leaving the garage now. will be back on in a little bit

    9:04 Ben@Autopia

    Je suis désolé, mais la vie me demande ça

    9:04 Asphalt Rocket

    Kevin I need to send you pics of the toy riding car we are making

    9:04 Flash Gordon

    what language do you speak?

    9:04 Paul Sparks

    Later Andrew

    9:04 reparebrise

    Hey, lets get back to Mr. Brown, I can give french lessons anbother time

    9:05 C. Charles Hahn

    I took two years of French in high school... this is just making me realize how long ago that was

    9:05 Kevin Brown

    Ron, yes! I think that the N U M B E R O N E issue guys are having in terms of polishing efficiency and performance is that they discount HOW important it is to KEEP THE PAD CLEAN..!

    9:05 Ron Ketcham

    Ben, for those who may be wondering, is showing off the education his parent paid for but never saw the results of.

    9:05 Flash Gordon

    so, 399 will get the 21? what about pads?

    9:05 Nanolex US

    You guys typing too damn fast...

    9:05 Ben@Autopia

    no, just quoting a Mark Knophler song Rong

    9:05 Ron*

    9:05 mikenap

    Garry!

    9:06 Flash Gordon

    i change pads often while polishing. screw a pad spur

    9:06 Paul Sparks

    Garry

    9:06 boredstudent

    Perfections (John) - your question about time savings was also one that I asked others about as well...but instead of comparing to 3401, I was asking about the time difference b/w 15 and 21.

    essentially, if you went around the entire car with 1 machine, and then did the same using the other machine...how much time difference would there be?...half hour, 1 hour, 2 hours, etc.

    it was not easy to answer, but they tried and i respect their knowledge

    9:06 C. Charles Hahn

    Garry

    9:06 Barry Theal

    With all these questions were asking Kevin, I for one want to take a second to thank him for all his hard work and making my polishing life a whole lot easier! To all the people here how has Kevin helped you out?

    9:06 Ben@Autopia

    MGD

    9:06 hybridhacker

    Kevin, we also need an air blower built into the Rupes for self cleaning pads.

    9:06 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, that has "always" been something that most don`t grasp. Or, go over board and are concerned way too much about some pigment transfer to the pad that doesn`t wash out.

    9:06 gofast908z

    I clean the pad after every panel

    9:06 Flash Gordon

    garry :freekin: dean!!!!!!

    9:06 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Keeping pad clean is how even a PC7424 can correct wetsanding.

    9:06 Barry Theal

    Ben are you getting overtime for this?

    9:06 Garry Dean

    holy hell, theres a lot of new peeps on here

    9:06 Kevin Brown

    I can`t even find my own posts..! Try some green here...

    9:06 Ewww, not good.

    9:07 Ben@Autopia

    Tunch is paying me in Rupes

    9:07 hybridhacker

    lol

    9:07 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Hey Garry "RR"

    9:07 Kevin Brown

    Purple

    9:07 gofast908z

    Kevin needs his own color

    9:07 Kevin Brown

    Better

    9:07 Garry Dean

    hey guys!

    9:07 Perfections

    thanks bored for the info

    9:07 Nanolex US

    LOL

    9:07 hybridhacker

    You can have my Pink if you like KB

    9:07 Hoytman

    Hi Garry!

    9:07 Paul Sparks

    That works

    9:07 Ron Ketcham

    Ahh, Kevin, fine wine color.

    9:07 Barry Theal

    Hey Garry

    9:07 Kevin Brown

    Barry and Ron asked something about the future of machines, or what I use ....

    9:07 Garry Dean

    hey hey

    9:07 hybridhacker

    Garry! I need to get your shipping info

    9:08 Garry Dean

    lol

    9:08 Ron Ketcham

    Continue Kevin, please.

    9:08 Garry Dean

    whos asking?

    9:08 Kevin Brown

    Pink is good, let mee this color.

    9:08 Perfections

    my main concern was speed. if the rupes will beat my flex 3401 then ill buy one for sure

    9:08 Barry Theal

    Purple was better!

    9:08 Kevin Brown

    Speed is interesting...

    9:08 reparebrise

    please let the man speak

    9:08 Flash Gordon

    my screen has gone back to super small. Anyone answer my question about pads?

    9:08 Ben@Autopia

    Deep Purple

    9:08 hybridhacker

    LOL....I`ll PM you Garry.

    9:09 mikenap

    Use your current pads Flash

    9:09 Kevin Brown

    The 3401 actually runs maz 480 RPM, 4,800 orbits.

    9:09 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Technique will always be prime factor in machine.

    9:09 Barry Theal

    Perfections you really can`t compare the to machine. There both different as far as mechanics.

    9:09 Flash Gordon

    TESTING

    9:09 Kevin Brown

    The LHR21Es maxes out at 4,200 RPM... but the plate can spin as fast as (best guess) of 600 RPM.

    9:09 Flash Gordon

    THAT COLOR DOESN`T WORK

    9:09 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin is giving you time , so let`s just allow him to answer, or this is not good for what many expect.

    9:10 Nanolex US

    Next color please

    9:10 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Flash your color makes me go crossed eyed

    9:10 hybridhacker

    lol

    9:10 Autowerx

    Kevin, are you talking about top-end speed limit of the machines?

    9:10 Flash Gordon

    i`m shutting up and listening from here on out

    9:10 g

    9:11 Kevin Brown

    Yes, alot to keep up with... I`ve been copying and pasting the conversation into an email so I can read it!

    9:11 CONCOURS.JOHN

    :0

    9:11 Paul Sparks

    The room is yours again kevin

    9:11 reparebrise

    please send it to me after Kevin, and answer my questions from this morning please

    9:12 Kevin Brown

    Yes, top speed on the orbits per minute, but the rotation on the LHR21 is of course variable.

    9:12 Okay... I didn`t mean to kill the room, go ahead, question or some that I may have missed.

    9:13 Flash Gordon

    i always get to excited when i go to the chatroom and talk to much. please forgive my inmaturaty

    9:13 Ben@Autopia

    FYI, There is a chat history icon that you can copy/paste/save at the end if need be

    9:13 Autowerx

    And, with the "washer mod" that I keep hearing about... does that make the Rupes behave more like a Flex with forced rotation?

    9:13 Kevin Brown

    Who here has or had a 3401 and still prefers to use it over the BigFoot?

    9:13 Ron Ketcham

    Your are not killing the room, all need to understand that you need some time to provide knowledgable responses to the questions.

    9:14 reparebrise

    crickets can be heard

    9:14 hybridhacker

    I sold my Flex because it was worthless once the MF pads were released.

    9:14 Ben@Autopia

    Never really liked the 3401 personally. Stuck with a normal DA or Rotary

    9:14 mikenap

    3401 was/is overrated

    9:14 C. Charles Hahn

    I have the 3401, but I`m only hanging onto it so I can demonstrate to others how much it sucks compared to the BigFoot

    9:14 Kevin Brown

    The washer simply eliminates the speed scrubbing action of the rubber shroud .

    9:14 mikenap

    ^lol

    9:14 Kevin Brown

    hahahah!

    9:14 gofast908z

    LOL @ Charlie

    9:14 reparebrise

    lol

    9:15 Garry Dean

    lol charlie

    9:15 Ron Ketcham

    That makes logical sense, Kevin. Sort of like a crank in a motor.

    9:15 Kevin Brown

    I was saying that working clean is the BEST way to get FAST cutting and SUPERB finishing.

    9:15 Perfections

    thanks barry for your thoughts on comparing the machines, im not trying to compare the mechanics though, as i understand them to be totally different. im concerned with will the rupes help my day to day business, helping me correct defects faster

    9:15 Flash Gordon

    can i order the bigfoot w/mf pads?

    9:15 hybridhacker

    Yes

    9:16 Barry Theal

    Perfections that answer is YES!!!!

    9:16 Paul Sparks

    Limited use of 3401 and rupes 21,15,75. Rupes wins IMO hands down.

    9:16 Kevin Brown

    The BigFoot is DEFINITELY a time saver, there is no doubt about that.

    9:16 Barry Theal

    Alot faster

    9:16 gofast908z

    Hey Mike!!!

    9:16 Nanolex US

    Dinner is served.

    9:16 reparebrise

    perfec. yes the rupes will make your employees faster, and eliminate swirls

    9:16 mikenap

    Flash, did you see my response about the pads earlier? All your existing pads will work fine.

    9:16 Kevin Brown

    Okay, more..!

    9:17 mikenap

    Hi Mike

    9:17 Greg Nichols

    the flex is like running a floor buffer and you feel kicked around the car compared to the RUPEs so at the end of the day your not so wore out IMO

    9:17 Flash Gordon

    i missed your response probally because i had my head in my keyboard

    9:17 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, how about the gaining of knowledge that is factual regarding OEM vs Refinish clears or single stages? Do you feel that it is an important to know as to the use of a tool or pads or product?

    9:17 C. Charles Hahn

    Mr. Murphy

    9:17 Flash Gordon

    thx though!

    9:17 Perfections

    ok, thanks barry thats all i needed lol, yes or no, will the rupes beat the flex in time spent correcting. and the answer is yes. so kevin how many do you have in stock?!

    9:17 mikenap

    np

    9:17 mikemurphy234

    Hey Jeff and hello all

    9:17 Paul Sparks

    Hey Mike

    9:18 Barry Theal

    Hey Mike

    9:18 hybridhacker

    Kevin, can you share with other your thoughts on using the MF Finishing pads with the Rupes vs MF cutting?

    9:18 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Ron I ve been testing on all and find it still to be the least agressive but better machine vrs rotary.

    9:18 Kevin Brown

    Ron, I think that there is certainly a difference. However, if a guy feels that a particular paint is "difficult" or "hard" or "soft"... I ask they they think of it in different terms.

    9:18 Flash Gordon

    i like that purple color!

    9:19 mikemurphy234

    Well said Ron!! I think that is something that too many people overlook.

    9:19 Paul Sparks

    Like perfection asked , do you have many 21`s in stock ?

    9:19 boredstudent

    none on the 21 for now

    9:19 Kevin Brown

    Rather than having to learn or recall how best to deal with very specific paint types, so much can be handled by:

    1. Keeping the pad clean.

    2. Adjusting the amount of buffing liquid being used.

    9:20 boredstudent

    last one sent to NY

    9:20 hybridhacker

    Or attend NXTi

    9:20 Barry Theal

    Kevin your one of the best at what you do when it comes to making the mechanics of a machine easy to understand. Do you think we as detailers look into things to much and forget to keep it simple?

    9:21 hybridhacker

    lol....Barry just said KISS

    9:21 Nanolex US

    Good point Barry. lol

    9:21 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, so in your experince, there is a lack of knowledge in the industy in the understanding of the paint systems, be it an OEM, and from what production facility or the different materials used in a bodyshop and what may take place there. It appears that many consider "paint is paint" and they will attack all with the same processes.

    9:21 Barry Theal

    Its all that pink letters!

    9:22 mikemurphy234

    David!!!!!

    9:22 C. Charles Hahn

    It`s about time Fermani showed up

    9:22 Kevin Brown

    How many Rupes in stock? Well, there`s 58 on the way on the 22nd... and I have (15) Skorpio`s, a dozen LHR75`s, a dozen LHR15`s... just sold outta` 21`s, which should be here on the 25th. (10) TA50`s on the way as well.

    I`m still a VERY small player in the market!

    9:22 mikenap

    Hey David

    9:22 Barry Theal

    Hey buddy

    9:22 Me

    Hi guys. Sorry. Stranded in Hartford, CT

    9:22 Paul Sparks

    David who ??? lol.

    9:22 Nanolex US

    Hey David.

    9:22 Me

    hi

    9:22 Ron Ketcham

    As well you should be, David, it just works for one who lives most of his life in Florida.

    9:23 Me

    Kevin - what did I miss?

    9:23 Nanolex US

    We missed you. lol

    9:23 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Hartford is better than Dayton David.

    9:23 Barry Theal

    hey dave

    9:23 Ben@Autopia

    Hey DF, how was dinner?

    9:23 hybridhacker

    Hey DF

    9:23 Me

    good, just took toooooo long

    9:23 what did I miss?

    9:23 Flash Gordon

    hey david

    9:23 Me

    Is Flash behaaving?

    9:23 mikenap

    Ron, if I understand what you`re asking, isn`t this the reason for doing test spots? To see what process works best in each individual case? Or are you meaning something different?

    9:23 Kevin Brown

    "hybridhacker: Kevin, can you share with other your thoughts on using the MF Finishing pads with the Rupes vs MF cutting?"

    "Ron Ketcham: Kevin, so in your experince, there is a lack of knowledge in the industy in the understanding of the paint systems, be it an OEM, and from what production facility or the different materials used in a bodyshop and what may take place there. It appears that many consider "paint is paint" and they will attack all with the same processes."

    9:23 Paul Sparks

    No lol

    9:24 Ben@Autopia

    lot of good stuff, check the chat history

    9:24 Perfections

    thanks kevin for your time tonight, along with others that have helped out. ill be ordering one when they come in, thanks again for all the info

    9:24 Ron Ketcham

    Time to allow Kevin to answer these questions, that what you came here for.

    9:24 Flash Gordon

    are you saying the m/f pads are a good or bad choice? speak to me like a child please

    9:25 hybridhacker

    MF is very good

    9:25 Flash Gordon

    like chocalate milk good?

    9:25 mikenap

    Ron, did you see my question?

    9:25 hybridhacker

    better!

    9:26 Nanolex US

    Like muscle milk!!!!

    9:26 Ron Ketcham

    Yes, but it is Kevin`s night and he is the one to answer questions, so just allow him to do so. I am sure he is quite capable of doing so.

    9:26 Flash Gordon

    nuff said. i`m placing my order for a 21 w/m/f pads!!!

    9:26 Barry Theal

    There better then an Amish girl on rumspringer!

    9:26 Kevin Brown

    I think that yes, there is a lack of understanding, but that does not mean that you can`t "get there from here" without that knowledge. the information you need often requires being able to work on those paint-types. For some guys, they`ll rarely work on a repaint, let alone various ones. So, if in the polishing process they only make small adjustments, or one adjustment at a time (JUST the amount of liquid, or JUST the pad, or JUST the speed, etc.), they`ve got a much better chance of "getting there", even though they had never worked on the paint-type beofre.

    9:26 Me

    What accounts for more of the correction . Pad / Machine / Liquid??

    9:27 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Well said Kevin. My belief nothing will replace a test section.

    9:27 Flash Gordon

    speaking of amish. what is up with that amish mafia show? those guys would get their asses handed to them where i come from

    9:28 Ron Ketcham

    As I understand your response, you are saying that there is no one "easy-one fits all" answer, that the detailer must do his due dilegence to make things work?

    9:28 Kevin Brown

    As to microfiber: they work spectacularly with the large stroke machines, however... a foam pad can actually finish some jobs quicker because of the way each type of pad deals with .... paint residue!

    9:28 Nanolex US

    I`ll say Machine.

    9:28 hybridhacker

    I took it as we need to know how to adjust our technique to make it work.

    9:28 Paul Sparks

    Test spot-very important IMO

    9:28 Flash Gordon

    thx kb!

    9:29 Me

    how many people are finishing with a Rupes?

    9:29 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, may I "hi-jack" for a moment, your night regarding the asked question?

    9:29 hybridhacker

    I do I do!

    9:29 mikenap

    I`ve used it for finishing with good results

    9:29 Kevin Brown

    Yes, Ron, but if a paint is "soft", the polishing guy is usually saying that the paint cuts rapidly. However, they tend to mention that it is so soft that is "hazes", or that the pad or liquid is causing "haze".

    9:30 Sure!

    9:30 Ron Ketcham

    Not quite at that, but a "tip" as far as diagnois of a vehicle`s finish.

    9:30 Kevin Brown

    Sure.

    9:31 Me

    test spot for correction as well as for finishing too -

    9:31 Paul Sparks

    agreed

    9:31 mikenap

    ^always!

    9:31 Flash Gordon

    $5 shipping is AWESOME!!!

    9:31 Me

    not too many people talk about how important that is

    9:32 Flash and his ADD

    9:32 Flash Gordon

    now if my cc will only go through....

    9:32 Ron Ketcham

    OK, simple, open the drivers side door and look for the build date, then inspect for "refinish", which there are many clues. All provide "information" as to what one may be dealing with. Age of the paint, refinish, etc. In simple terms, take a little time to save time and be aware of what they may be working with.

    9:32 Greg Nichols

    Kevin.....how mich longer till you have a training center.......

    9:32 Barry Theal

    Who let flash back by the way?

    9:32 mikemurphy234

    Great suggestion Greg.

    9:33 C. Charles Hahn

    As far as I`m concerned a "test spot" means taking the finish all the way from hammered to LSP ready

    9:33 Me

    lol - you did. Back when you had mod access

    9:33 Hoytman

    I agree with Charlie!

    9:33 Kevin Brown

    IF your common pad+polish+machine+procedure constantly turns out a fantastic result, but then a "soft" paint will NOT finish out without hazing or scouring, there`s a very high likelihood that the residue (the paint that has been scrubbed from the surface) has buried and stuck your abrasive particles to the pad. The particles can no longer roll about, they can`t adjust position, they can`t cut to the same degree...

    9:33 Me

    and probably why you aren`t a mod ant longer

    9:33 any

    9:33 mikemurphy234

    LOL David. And it starts....

    9:34 Hoytman

    Kevin, Are you then saying that we need to change the pads or wash them rather than simply clean them on the fly?

    9:34 Barry Theal

    lol

    9:35 Kevin Brown

    This is the main issue most guy s are having. This dynamic gets much WORSE with microfiber because the strings bind together and trap residue and clumped particles. At this point the microfiber is not so "micro" anymore... and scouring ensues.

    9:35 hybridhacker

    Lets here some info on the future of BuffDaddy!

    9:35 Me

    Kevin - any chance of you coming out with you own machine???

    9:35 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, EXACTLY!

    9:35 Paul Sparks

    As Greg and a few others have touched on, are there any plans for another NXTi or similar class type deal ?

    9:36 hybridhacker

    DF....it will be called....wait for it....The BUFFDADDY!

    9:36 Nanolex US

    lol

    9:36 moderator2

    hey everyone

    9:36 mikenap

    East coast NXTi............please!

    9:36 Barry Theal

    Hey Moderator

    9:36 Kevin Brown

    With foam though, the pad is still going to load with residue and debris, but eventually (particularly with large stroke random orbitals), the lateral motion and varying speeds and pad rotation is going to cause said residue to "fall off" the foam, and allow it to be re-crushed, re-dispersed, etc.

    9:36 Me

    oh boy...

    9:37 Paul Sparks

    Better late then never

    9:37 C. Charles Hahn

    Yes please, Mike

    9:37 mikenap

    9:37 hybridhacker

    KB...with your above comment, would you say the 21 will tend to finish better because of this?

    9:37 Me

    We`ll do it at Detail-Polooza 2013

    9:37 Flash Gordon

    guess who is the proud owner of a RUPES

    9:37 gofast908z

    I want the KBM (Kevin Brown Machine)

    9:38 Barry Theal

    NOt Fermani!!!

    9:38 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Pads and paint vary sometimes working the polish to its limits with water work. Some times keeping the pad superclean work. Change up of pads before the polish is "done" can help (with a primed pad" I dont take credit but give it to Kevin`s writings but it has changed how I do things and does work.

    9:38 mikenap

    Nearly everyone here?

    9:38 hybridhacker

    Congrats Flash!

    9:38 Paul Sparks

    Congrats Flash !

    9:38 Kevin Brown

    Machine, some day, YES. Name, Buff Daddy, NO because Dodo uses it as a slang term for the DAS Pro-6.

    9:38 NXT... YES!

    9:38 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, and as I understand this sort of thing with a foam pad, the particles will "dry" and be easily removed with a stiff detail brush and some compressed air applied to the pad on the unit?

    9:38 C. Charles Hahn

    Detail-Polooza 2013, is that what you`re calling the event next month DF?

    9:38 gofast908z

    alternative bodies could be cool *looks around*

    9:38 mikenap

    Great, ANOTHER Mike is here...

    9:39 Flash Gordon

    KB.....Has my unit been shipped yet?

    9:39 gofast908z

    haha

    9:39 Paul Sparks

    hahaha

    9:39 C. Charles Hahn

    lol

    9:39 hybridhacker

    It on your door step Flash!

    9:39 Flash Gordon

    SWEET!!!

    9:39 mikemurphy234

    Speaking of that Charlie. I can`t make it that weekend...I`ll be in Chicago.

    9:40 Greg Nichols

    If one thing about the rupes machine cuould be changed.....what would that be?

    9:40 Kevin Brown

    We`re also wanting to do a live sand/polish session and have it run non-stop, until the car is DONE. We think that there is soo much to learn by watching, by taking questions and responding not only in word, but in action. We would like to attempt accomplishing this "street-style", not hi-end production

    9:40 C. Charles Hahn

    Ah, that`s too bad Mike

    9:40 hybridhacker

    MAcco job!

    9:40 Me

    no way

    9:40 Nanolex US

    KB -Where and when??

    9:40 Kevin Brown

    CRAZY FLASH! Thanks, got me sale..!!!!!

    9:41 hybridhacker

    Add me to the list when that happens KB

    9:41 mikemurphy234

    Yeah I was looking forward to it

    9:41 hybridhacker

    Andrew has a car we could use for sanding! LOL

    9:41 Mush-Mouth

    I wish all the KB wanna bees would admit that they are sucking onto something that ain`t theirs

    9:41 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, when you use the "micro" sand paper disc, on the Rupes unit, do you lubricate the sanding disc with water only or do you add a bit of soap to add lubricity?

    9:42 hybridhacker

    ^^^yeah taht!

    9:42 Paul Sparks

    When might this take place Kevin ?

    9:42 Greg Nichols

    would adding more stroke make finishing harder so the 21mm is the sweet spot?

    9:42 C. Charles Hahn

    Hey Tom

    9:42 Tom Weed

    Hi all

    9:42 Paul Sparks

    Hey Tom

    9:42 Tom Weed

    my son`s bball practice went late

    9:42 mikenap

    hi tom

    9:42 Mush-Mouth

    Especially that Todd guy

    9:42 moderator2

    Hey Tom

    9:42 Greg Nichols

    OUCH! LOL

    9:43 Paul Sparks

    He`s back !

    9:43 hybridhacker

    lol

    9:43 Me

    Todd who?

    9:43 hybridhacker

    I didn`t say it!

    9:43 Kevin Brown

    Right Ron, on the pad cleaning, assuming there`s not an abundance of liquid that has entered the foam. I still use a nylon brush to scrub away debris along the edge of the pad (it`s where all the crunchy stuff accumulates because the pad acts as a squeegee of sorts along its edge, gathering up remnants that have come to rest on the polishing surface). I prefer compressed air, and a microfiber towel for general on-the-fly cleaning.

    9:43 mikenap

    Hybrid Todd

    9:43 Barry Theal

    lol

    9:43 Nanolex US

    Todd C ???

    9:43 Barry Theal

    Correct half a car?

    9:43 lol

    9:43 Mush-Mouth

    both suck I think

    9:43 mikemurphy234

    LOL!!!!

    9:44 Me

    gona get ugly....

    9:44 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, thanks for that reply.

    9:44 Mush-Mouth

    I think Todd 002 wants to be Todd 001

    9:44 gofast908z

    Why don`t we keep it on subject? No need to fill the room with Drama when Kevin is taking HIS TIME to help everyone here.

    9:44 Kevin Brown

    Ron I don`t add soap when I machine sand because I get sooo many bubbles (hard to see through), but I do use a trigger bottle of water to frequently rinse the disc clean.

    9:44 Mush-Mouth

    or is it vise vers

    9:45 Paul Sparks

    Any plans on these classes you can share at this time Kevin ?

    9:45 Greg Nichols

    did you see the two questions I posted above KB

    9:45 C. Charles Hahn

    Mush, this really isn`t the time or place for that

    9:45 AndrewBigA

    kevin how are you doing man?

    9:45 Me

    Agreed - keep the crap out of here

    9:45 Nanolex US

    Agreed..

    9:45 fabz

    kevin are you saying you damp sand with the rupes?

    9:45 Mush-Mouth

    truth must be hurting people`s feelings

    9:46 Flash Gordon

    yes

    9:46 mikenap

    No, trolling just gets old

    9:46 gofast908z

    ^bingo

    9:46 Me

    Lets not feed him

    9:46 Kevin Brown

    So, a SUPER machinelloking for the questions greg...

    9:46 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, the reason I mentioned the addition of a very small amount of a soap to the water, is that working with Merka and 3M, doing so releases the removed particles from the paper, reducing deep marring and extends the life of the sanding material. Doesn`t take much, just a small "touch" of soap to the water used.

    9:46 Kevin Brown

    Yes.

    9:47 gofast908z

    Looks like Andrew is having connections issues...poor guy.

    9:47 Flash Gordon

    kb you stole my color

    9:47 Autowerx

    Ron, would ONR work? In a very low dilution.

    9:47 AndrewBigA

    im trying to make the chat larger

    9:47 Hoytman

    How much is a "small amount", or "touch".

    9:47 Kevin Brown

    Okay, got them.. stroke and changes...

    9:47 CONCOURS.JOHN

    its happening here too. go fast

    9:47 Flash Gordon

    nickel size

    9:48 fabz

    i mean the 21 for damp sanding - removal of severe scratcjes... 1500, 2000, 3000?

    9:48 C. Charles Hahn

    That`s what I use Meguiar`s #00 soap for Ron... super thin and doesn`t "suds up" like most soaps

    9:48 Ron Ketcham

    hoyt, that would depend on the concentration of the soap you use. Basic is a drop or two into a quart of water.

    9:48 gofast908z

    ONR is going to give a slight film to cut through when sanding

    9:48 AndrewBigA

    how do i make the chat bigger?

    9:48 gofast908z

    this was a topic at NXT

    9:48 AndrewBigA

    popout then back in?

    9:48 ehh

    9:49 Hoytman

    Thanks, Ron. That description is understood.

    9:49 Tom Weed

    Andrew, mines not working either

    9:49 Me

    POPOUT

    9:49 gofast908z

    DI water is the choice if i recall corrctly

    9:49 Autowerx

    got it. thanks!

    9:49 Kevin Brown

    No, I don`t recommend that large a stroke be used for sanding, unless you have a REAL steady hand, and are able to laser-adjust to fine nuances of the panel. You`ve got a huge potential for edge-digging of the disc.

    9:49 gofast908z

    For the same reason, Megs Final Inspection has replaced ONR as my clay lube of choice as well.

    9:49 Me

    Really? I actually prefer ONR

    9:50 Ron Ketcham

    Gofast, DI water is not necessary for the sanding process, unless one is totally anal about such things.

    9:50 Me

    cleaner

    9:50 michakaveli

    greetings folks

    9:50 Me

    hey

    9:50 fabz

    can I find any videos of damp sanding with that electric palm machine on your website?

    9:50 mikenap

    Found it, Chris?

    9:50 reparebrise

    Ron, for paint prep using waterborne paints DI water is a must, just for your future info.

    9:51 michakaveli

    no doubt!

    9:51 Flash Gordon

    hello

    9:51 Ron Ketcham

    From my experience, if the soap does not contain any butyl component and is coconut oil based, it is all you need for such.

    9:51 For Paint Prep, Yvan, yes, that is very important, but we are discussing "sanding before buffing".

    9:52 Ben@Autopia

    hey guys, its been fun, but have to go..have a good night

    9:52 Autowerx

    night

    9:52 mikenap

    later ben

    9:52 C. Charles Hahn

    later Ben

    9:52 Hoytman

    Obviously then, Dawn wouldn`t be a good soap?

    9:52 Paul Sparks

    Later Ben. Thanks for hosting this.

    9:52 Ron Ketcham

    See you, the corner 7/11 is waiting for it`s number one night guy to show up to work, Ben.

    9:53 Me

    3M has started using the term DAMP SANDING again: http://multimedia.3m.c...SSS--

    9:53 reparebrise

    since we do both in our shops, the only water that is not DI is what we drink

    9:53 Me

    night Ben

    9:53 hybridhacker

    KB, have you sold many of those Festool scrapers? It worked great on some sags/runs the other day.

    9:53 Ron Ketcham

    For wet/damp sanding, there is nothing wrong with Dawn, except it does have some other additives that are not required.

    9:53 Kevin Brown

    I don`t think that 10.5mm offset is the "sweet spot" for anything necessarily, but I think that there`s limit as to what is reasonable to use on a "project". If we only worked on motorcycles, such a large offset wouldn`t be efficient for use because at the outer limits of the pad, you`re not getting polishing 100% of the time. The larger the stroke, the less the outer "ring" will be polished (unless you had SO much stroke that the offset was larger than the pad, then ONLY the outer ring would be getting polished).

    9:54 AndrewBigA

    nice. now the chat is larger so i can read.

    9:54 i like saying wetsanding. dampsanding sounds stupid

    9:54 michakaveli

    "popout" works nicely

    9:54 Me

    that`s a revalation

    9:54 mikenap

    dampsanding

    9:54 hybridhacker

    How about moist sanding?

    9:54 AndrewBigA

    the popout wasnt working before for me

    9:55 Me

    user error

    9:55 mikenap

    ^lol

    9:55 Ron Ketcham

    Kevin, for the "gear heads", what they may relate to is the term "torque".

    9:55 Kevin Brown

    In theory, couldn`t we design a pad and machine that offered ZERO offset all the way to whatever we`d want, not any larger offset than the pad of course, otherwise the entire pad would orbit in a hulahoop circle.

    9:55 gofast908z

    Ron, I prefer the DI as it leaves no variables

    9:55 reparebrise

    can someone volunteer to send me the complete chat by e-mail, I have to get ot bed I have a flight in a few hours

    9:55 gofast908z

    As cheap as it can be sourced, why not?

    9:56 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Kevin curios on the CEROS what pad options are availible. Your thought on performance of the sizes?

    9:56 Me

    I will be posting the transcript on my thread here

    9:56 Ron Ketcham

    Then continue to use it, it`s your personal choice, Hoyt and it works for you, that is fine.

    9:56 Bill Holbrook

    Kevin i dont know if you got my email just wanted to say thanks for the advice with 75 rupes.

    9:56 reparebrise

    how can we access it later

    9:56 gofast908z

    Welcome Jason

    9:56 LilJayV10

    Hi Jeff!

    9:57 AndrewBigA

    kevin its amazing how you can disect how the polisher works

    9:57 Me

    in my thread

    9:57 AndrewBigA

    in all my yrs i never paid attention to the tools like that

    9:57 Greg Nichols

    So a variable offset machine that is brushless would be ideal!

    9:57 AndrewBigA

    just know how to use them lol.

    9:57 LilJayV10

    KB is like a mad scientist, the way his mind works is amazing

    9:57 Me

    KB has taken this to a whole nother level

    9:57 mikemurphy234

    Sweet, thanks David. I have to crash also.

    9:57 Me

    bye

    9:57 mikenap

    later Mike

    9:57 Greg Nichols

    later murphy

    9:58 Autowerx

    Thanks for all this great knowledge gents! Have a good night.

    9:58 C. Charles Hahn

    Kevin, are you suggesting a DA where the user can select the amount of offset/stroke length they desire and dial it in to their needs? That would be a true game changer indeed....

    9:58 Flash Gordon

    its just now getting intresting. i`m hangin all nite long!!!

    9:58 AndrewBigA

    rupes shouldve oly let him sell it in the states lol

    9:58 Greg Nichols

    Yes hahn that is what he is thinking

    9:58 AndrewBigA

    only*

    9:58 Ron Ketcham

    Charles, now that would be a true engineering feat!

    9:58 Flash Gordon

    kb....will you autograph my machine with a sharpie?

    9:59 gofast908z

    later Mike!

    9:59 C. Charles Hahn

    later Mike

    9:59 Paul Sparks

    Like a adjustable cam for making the throw

    9:59 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Rupes biggest mistake is not to pay Kevin for future R&D

    9:59 Kevin Brown

    Imagine a ball of foam. first, cut a flat face onto the foam. Next, cut a portion of the foam away (like when you slice a section of an apple with a knife). If you had the "right" foam... you could use the flat face to get maximum throw, and then as you tilted the machine... you`d be shortening up the lateral throw of the machine.

    10:00 mikenap

    I like Paul`s idea

    10:00 Flash Gordon

    that is unless you`ve already shipped it out ...

    10:00 Greg Nichols

    Rupes mistake is that they don`t fly KB over to discuss things

    10:00 Kevin Brown

    Hi Bill, yes I got it and THANKS! I am glad to hear how well the LHR75 is working on those Cobra`s! share some insight, please!

    10:00
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    Yes, brushless for sure! Variable, yes and do-able.

    10:01 AndrewBigA

    rupes should put him on the payroll for sure

    10:01 michakaveli

    it`s a nice idea.. but I bet a pain to make a machine with that adjustability and maintain it`s reliability

    10:01 Nanolex US

    Good night Ya`ll

    10:01 C. Charles Hahn

    Yeah, Paul... kinda like the "Variable Valve Timing" technology many are using in engines now, a cam phaser

    10:01 AndrewBigA

    whats up greg nichols!

    10:01 Ron Ketcham

    From my work with the Italians, not going to happen. All people from the USA are still savages and need the Italians to bring culture and expertise to the savages.

    10:01 Me

    night Gil

    10:01 AndrewBigA

    science man!

    10:01 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Kevin so you are referring to edging with and w/o pressure to control rotation?

    10:01 Greg Nichols

    hello

    10:01 Flash Gordon

    i wear only italian shoes

    10:02pmgotta take care of your feet ...

    10:02 Kevin Brown

    The Dynabrade attachment comes close, it could be made to be variable, via cam action.

    10:02 Me

    and sauce on your collar while eating pasta

    10:02 michakaveli

    o

    10:03pmDynaLuv

    10:03 Ron Ketcham

    try to get Italian shoes in a 13 AA, they have no idea of what that size is. I know, bought some over the years and just like most of their cars, don`t get them wet.

    10:03 Hoytman

    I had to re-boot for some reason.

    10:03 C. Charles Hahn

    If only the Dynabrade wasn`t so bulky and lacking balance

    10:03 Me

    what`s the throw of the DB

    10:04 C. Charles Hahn

    3/4"

    10:04 Ron Ketcham

    What do you all think of the new Mequiars` drill attachment to change a drill to a DA?

    10:04 mikenap

    18 or 19, isn`t it?

    10:04 Hoytman

    Ron, I was just asking a question about using Dawn, and not infering Dawn is what I use. I`ve never done much sanding.

    10:04 Flash Gordon

    i`ve never used the dyna, but from the looks of it I don`t like it

    10:04 Kevin Brown

    Yes, John, you`d have to make that adjustment, otherwise the pad would force drive into the paint. But a very pliable foam would slow rotation as it compressed, but still, you could feasibly polish with a sphere-shaped pad (like a powerball), but you`d need to pull back to avoid excessive digging.

    10:04 michakaveli

    try it Flash.... it`s not bad actually

    10:05 CONCOURS.JOHN

    So we are talking position. while many disregard the 7424xp it can be very effective on small areas and give good rotation if pressure is applied in the correct angle Kevin?.

    10:05 Kevin Brown

    Ron, no comment.

    10:05 mikenap

    ^agree

    10:05 Ron Ketcham

    It`s not a game changer, Hoytman, it has it uses, I have used it in a pinch.

    10:05 mikenap

    I loved the DB until the Rupes came out

    10:05 Me

    great for body shops who want to convert their rotarys to DA

    10:05 Hoytman

    Considering the price of batteries and the cost of the drill attachment...I`ll be saving my money.

    10:05 reparebrise

    forget teh dynabrade, and go to Buffdaddy.com and order a Rupes

    10:05 mikemurphy234

    Kevin, I`ve said it before and I`ll keep saying it, Thanks for all that you have done and continue to do for all of us interested in paint correction. You`ve been so instrumental in getting many of us to a whole new level with your articles and teachings. To anyone who is interested in taking any class that Kevin is involved in, my suggestion is to get to it no matter where it is located!!!! Good luck to you KB and I`ll call ya tomorrow.

    10:06 Flash Gordon

    i just went there!

    10:06 C. Charles Hahn

    Agreed Mike... the Dynabrade was pretty good, but lots of vibration in comparison with the Rupes

    10:06 Me

    unless yor are in Canada

    10:06 AndrewBigA

    i cant stand the soft start on my new dewalt

    10:06pmis there a way to remove it?

    10:06pmi want to remove it.

    10:06 Hoytman

    I guess I`ll have to come out and say it. I was hoping for a soap recommendation when sanding.

    10:06 reparebrise

    of course if you are in Canada then give me a call, thanks «««f

    10:07 Kevin Brown

    Yes, no need to get rid of the typical random orbital... it can do so much that a large stroke can`t. There are always going to be situations where only a rotary will work, or only a random orbital will work.

    10:07 Flash Gordon

    kb what happens if this machine takes a dump, can you fix it?

    10:07 AndrewBigA

    hoytman u want a soap for wetsanding?

    10:07 mikenap

    True Charlie. I haven`t used it since getting my Rupes, but you can ask Michakaveli how much I loved it before that.

    10:07 Me

    Yes, to echo Mike`s statement...Thanks for all you do both on Autopia and elsewhere. It`s been a pleasure to have you here and I feel it`s been a success! We`ll have to do this again soon!!!

    10:07 Kevin Brown

    THANK YOU MIKE...! You inspire me to become better!!!

    10:07 michakaveli

    ^ Mike loved it (sarcasm)

    10:07 Ron Ketcham

    Hoytman, you can buy a 3/8th drill with variable speed control that is 110v. Not necessay to use only a battery drill. They show that because the "common man" owns one these days and is still fascinated by not having to use a cord.

    10:07 AndrewBigA

    kevin can i remove the soft start on my dewalt or no"?

    10:08 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Or ones can challenge themselves to do it efficiently with a DA

    10:08 AndrewBigA

    are you allowed to discuss rotarys lol?

    10:08 Kevin Brown

    I can fix it, but they`re supposed to have a warranty center in place already (still waiting, though)

    10:08 AndrewBigA

    its not broken

    10:08pmi want the soft start feature removed

    10:08 mikenap

    No sarcasm, I did like the DB attachement

    10:08 AndrewBigA

    like how the old dewalt trigger used to work

    10:09 Flash Gordon

    i would rather you fix it then some yahoo i don`t know

    10:09 AndrewBigA

    no soft start

    10:09 Me

    shut up A and get a Rupes

    10:09 AndrewBigA

    i will get a rupes

    10:09 Kevin Brown

    Yeah, shoulda got the DWP849, not the DWP849X! I wonder if you can just buy the electronic control module and switch it out?!

    10:09 Hoytman

    BigA...was refering to what soap they use in the water when dampsanding, but the question got lost in the shuffle.

    10:09 Ron Ketcham

    Andrew, so go to a pawn shop and buy an older one, put some new brushes in it.

    10:09 AndrewBigA

    i have the dwp849

    10:09pmi have both

    10:09 Greg Gellas

    The only weird thing about the rupes is the start, It will ramp up to a higher speed and then slow back down.

    10:09 Flash Gordon

    hmmmm

    10:10 reparebrise

    or wait a little while and get teh new Rupes, Roflo

    10:10 LilJayV10

    I`ve noticed that too Greg, i figured it was to over come the friction of the pad on the paint to get started

    10:10 Hoytman

    I think Charlie answered my question earlier and I missed it.

    10:10 Kevin Brown

    the literature lists that the DWP849X has soft start, but says nothing about the DWP849 having or NOT having soft start.

    10:10 AndrewBigA

    hoytman for soap i can give you my secret traditional soap

    10:10 Me

    Flash - I`m going to nominate you as our next Moderator seeing that we kicked Barry off the team.

    10:11 CONCOURS.JOHN

    The ADT rotary is all over the place.

    10:11 AndrewBigA

    antibacterial hand soap, orange

    10:11 CONCOURS.JOHN

    KY Jelly

    10:11 C. Charles Hahn

    You mean about the soap to use? I personally use Meguiar`s #00, not sure if you can even get that anywhere now

    10:11 Flash Gordon

    just don`t use goop

    10:11 Greg Gellas

    LilJay I can see that, but it also makes the machine spin during startup and not allow the pad to spin if that makes sense

    10:11 Kevin Brown

    Andrew, the DeWalt lit: http://buffdaddyblog.c...drat/

    10:11 michakaveli

    ohhh yea

    10:11 C. Charles Hahn

    For sanding that is

    10:11pmHoly crap, Scottwax in chat?

    10:11 Me

    hey Scott

    10:11 mikenap

    lol

    10:12 C. Charles Hahn

    That`s a first

    10:12 mikenap

    Hi Scott!

    10:12 Kevin Brown

    I have plenty of M0016

    10:12 Scottwax

    Still going on? Hockey season is over (son`s team won the championship) so Wednesday is free for a while

    10:12 Flash Gordon

    scottwax = legend

    10:12 Bill Holbrook

    If you don`t have a LHR75 put it on your wish list. once you start to use it you wont put it down.

    10:12 Scottwax

    in my own mind

    10:12 Me

    X2

    10:12 Kevin Brown

    http://www.buffdaddy.c...M0016

    10:12 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Welcome Scott

    10:12 AndrewBigA

    September 19, 2011

    10:12 Scottwax

    Arizona trip coming up, excited about that

    10:12 C. Charles Hahn

    I should`ve known, KB... great stuff

    10:13 Me

    my birthday

    10:13 Ron Ketcham

    From my chats with a Makita rep, years ago, the reason for the "soft" start is that reduces product "sling" for most users. Allows time to get the pad to the surface with out throwing product all around.

    10:13 AndrewBigA

    old news like the rotary is haha?

    10:13 Flash Gordon

    i`m going to the ozarks and am stoked

    10:13 Kevin Brown

    The LHR75 is likely the most impressive macine out right now... it is WICKED

    10:13 Scottwax

    didn`t like the soft start on the PC 7224, don`t like it on the G110 v2 either. Feels like its broken...

    10:13 hybridhacker

    Lil` Rupes!

    10:13 Greg Gellas

    Kevin do they pan on a 3" electric model?

    10:13 Scottwax

    AZ is a working vacation for me

    10:13 Greg Gellas

    plan`

    10:14 Kevin Brown

    I think that most companies are using soft start to protect the electronic components from hi-votage spikes.

    10:14 Me

    15 mm right

    10:14 AndrewBigA

    still didnt get my q answered lol

    10:14 Ron Ketcham

    And Scott doesn`t like pickles either, so be careful what you say to him.

    10:14 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Agreed Kevin just have to get cfm up. that alone will cost mor than the LHR75

    10:14 Scottwax

    Dewalt 849 seems to hold up...

    10:14 mikenap

    Make an electric 75 and it would sell out!

    10:14 AndrewBigA

    can i remove the soft start?

    10:14 gofast908z

    Ok guys, I gotta step away. Client changed his 12am midnight pickup to 10pm.... Back to work. Will stay in to read what I miss though.

    10:14 Kevin Brown

    If they are... Todd and Paul Dalton would know more about it than me. I don`t get told anything.

    10:14 Scottwax

    I hate pickles on burgers and sandwiches, yes

    10:14 LilJayV10

    see ya Jeff

    10:14 Kevin Brown

    Later, Jeff!

    10:14 Greg Nichols

    Greg....yes they are trying to produce one

    10:14 Scottwax

    Adios

    10:14 C. Charles Hahn

    later Jeff!

    10:15 LilJayV10

    what is everyone using the LH75 for?

    10:15 mikenap

    later Jeff

    10:15 Greg Gellas

    Cool Good to know thanks Greg.

    10:15 gofast908z

    Thanks again for the vast knowledge Kevin!!

    10:15 AndrewBigA

    dewalt polishers last forever. that will never change.

    10:15 hybridhacker

    Front rear bumper covers, RIDS

    10:15 reparebrise

    The issue is not making it, it`s getting it approved for sale here.

    10:15 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Yes electric LHR75 I would be first in line!!

    10:15 Flash Gordon

    you should build your own machine

    10:15 Bill Holbrook

    YES it is you were so right that when I started with it to cut in I wouldn`t put it down and just finish entire car. So right again. THX

    10:15 Scottwax

    yeah, pretty much bullet proof

    10:15 hybridhacker

    tight areas

    10:15 mikenap

    LHR75 is a little beast

    10:16 LilJayV10

    i am doing an escalade right now that I could use that on

    10:16 Scottwax

    Rupes sounds like it would help out on newer BMWs, paint is freaking rock hard

    10:16 Greg Nichols

    The issue with a cordless 3" would be power......

    10:16 C. Charles Hahn

    I thought Barry Theal posted that he stripped out the gears in his DWP849X running the Dynabrade on it?

    10:16 Kevin Brown

    Yup, it is a weapon: http://www.buffdaddy.c...LHR75

    10:16 AndrewBigA

    i never used a dynabride

    10:16 LilJayV10

    great, time to send KB more of my money, lol

    10:16 Ron Ketcham

    OK, thank you Kevin, thanks to all for a great chat night, time to leave, all take care.

    10:17 Scottwax

    how does the dynabrade compare to the Rupes?

    10:17 AndrewBigA

    gnite ron!

    10:17 Greg Nichols

    Later ron

    10:17 Me

    bye Ron

    10:17 mikenap

    Later Ron

    10:17 C. Charles Hahn

    have a good one Ron

    10:17 Scottwax

    Time for bed, old man?

    10:17 Greg Gellas

    Later Ron

    10:17 reparebrise

    scott, it does not

    10:17 Kevin Brown

    The BigFoot is very good at controlling paint residue build-up, which definitely helps when polishing

    10:17pmThanks, RON!

    10:17 reparebrise

    later grumpy

    10:17 Paul Sparks

    Later Ron.

    10:17 Asphalt Rocket

    Kevin what about the dynabrade small air polishers compared to the LHR75

    10:17 mikenap

    The DB was a good step up from most DAs until the Rupes came out

    10:18 Scottwax

    Is the cut close enough to a rotary to make it pretty much obsolete?

    10:18 Flash Gordon

    no way

    10:18 Me

    which machine Scott?

    10:18 Scottwax

    Dewalt 849 vs Rupes

    10:18 Kevin Brown

    The Rupes balance feels more refined, has a bit more overall throw (19.4ø vs 21ø), and the motor revs to 4,200 RPM.

    10:19 Scottwax

    Never been able to fully correct an Audi with a DA

    10:19 Me

    yes. There`s a good reason why everyone is going crazy over them these days

    10:19 reparebrise

    the rotary will still live on for sure, but what teh Rupes can do it does better

    10:19 Flash Gordon

    audis are brutal

    10:19 Asphalt Rocket

    Thats for the response Kevin

    10:19 mikenap

    ^agree to both

    10:19 michakaveli

    true

    10:19 Scottwax

    have to pick one up when I get back from AZ

    10:19 AndrewBigA

    i will forever disagree with everyone that says they can get a better finish from a da or anything over a rotary

    10:19 Me

    order from BuffDaddy if you can!!!

    10:19 Scottwax

    okay

    10:20 Flash Gordon

    i just sprung for one scott

    10:20 Me

    you still spitting that out A

    10:20 reparebrise

    is there another choice for teh Rupes in teh USA

    10:20 Greg Nichols

    why don`t you buy one and have it shipped to AZ scott

    10:20 mikenap

    Gellas, hurry up and show Andrew what`s what

    10:20 AndrewBigA

    yes david

    10:20pmgreg cant coe to my garage yet

    10:20pmi have to clean it up

    10:20pmfirst

    10:20pmlol

    10:20 Greg Gellas

    LOL I will once I can get a day off.

    10:20 AndrewBigA

    come*

    10:20 Me

    soon you`ll be drinking the Koolaid

    10:20 mikenap

    Lol, suuuuuure

    10:20 Scottwax

    Sort of slow winter (until the last few weeks) and quarterly filing...

    10:20 AndrewBigA

    greg can we do this on a sunday?

    10:21pmwe can get a gme of cards after

    10:21 Kevin Brown

    It`s lower profile, too, which makes it easier to maneuver, and any imbalance is not magnified via leveraging to the same degree. Leveraging meaning because it is taller, a small motion on one side (like if you hand was on top of the machine head and you tilted it a couple degrees) would magnify on the other side.

    10:21 Greg Gellas

    Sure not this one though..Full clear bra install

    10:21 LilJayV10

    KB I have a question when you are ready

    10:21 Asphalt Rocket

    Well the Dynabrade mini air polishers are very skinny

    10:21 AndrewBigA

    i will always love the rotary

    10:21pmmy first love

    10:22pmlol

    10:22 Me

    has shared a handwritten message10:22 Scottwax

    How well does a Rupes finish on really soft paint? Or do you need to switch to a less powerful DA?

    10:22 AndrewBigA

    LMAO how did u do that david?

    10:22 Kevin Brown

    "Asphalt Rocket: Kevin what about the dynabrade small air polishers compared to the LHR75

    "

    Dynabrade makes some great tools, and they have one that is nearly identical. Price is higher, but id you`ve got a good "connection", you`d have a very similar machine. Nothing but good to say about Dynabrade.

    10:22 AndrewBigA

    jerk!

    10:22 Greg Nichols

    aw david that is precious

    10:22 mikenap

    Scott, the Rupes finishes very well.

    10:23 Scottwax

    Did a jet black Q5 that was a nightmare. Only thing that wouldn`t mar it up was HD Speed with a blue foam Optimum finishing pad on speed 3

    10:23 Asphalt Rocket

    They sure do, I have their air polishers

    10:23 Greg Nichols

    scott the rupes finishes perfectly on soft paint with the proper pad and polish

    10:23 mikenap

    I posted a Jet Black BMW in my HD Cut review. Finished it with the Rupes, black B&S and HD Polish.

    10:24 Scottwax

    Agree with Andrew on how nice the rotary is, with Ultrafina its pretty much goof proof until you do a jet black BMW though.

    10:24 Greg Nichols

    I did a jet black and finished with the rupes and a black pad

    10:24 Scottwax

    Cool,, thanks Mike

    10:24 mikenap

    np

    10:24 Scottwax

    So foam to cut with the Rupes, foam to finish?

    10:24 steeda

    this may have been asked earlier and if so I apologize, but is there any advantages or disadvantages to using a 5" backing plate on the LHR21ES?

    10:24 Kevin Brown

    "AndrewBigA: i will forever disagree with everyone that says they can get a better finish from a da or anything over a rotary"

    forever is a long time.

    A good thread for you to read: http://www.autopia.org....html

    10:24 Scottwax

    I mean MF to cut...

    10:25 reparebrise

    ABA, until you have tried a Rupes you are not in a position to comment,

    10:26 mikenap

    Scott, for the most part yes, but I only finish with foam on traditional DAs too.

    10:26 Greg Nichols

    Steeda.....a smaller BP means you could dig an edge with the smaller footprint, just need to be on your toes

    10:26 Me

    hammer time

    10:26 Scottwax

    usually get a really nice finish with the Optimum polishing pad but jet black I almost always have to use foam.

    10:27 Greg Nichols

    I`ve been using the 5bp on the 21mm for a few months I like it for tighter areas and its agressive cut

    10:27 Me

    10:27 Flash Gordon

    the tracking on my order says it hasn`t left yet

    10:27 Kevin Brown

    "LilJayV10: KB I have a question when you are ready" SHOOT!

    10:27 Paul Sparks

    Kevin do you have the new USA made mf pads in all the sizes in stock now ?

    10:27 Greg Nichols

    flash your are going to have to wait 5 days so stop it

    10:27 Kevin Brown

    Flash, you are funny!

    10:28 Scottwax

    Anyone notice the interior of a mid 2000s Quattroporte looks like a mid 80s Mercedes?

    10:28 Kevin Brown

    No, on the way, placed the order a few days ago. You want FINISHING only right now..

    10:28 LilJayV10

    I had a question about foam pads, but I`m afraid it is too involved, we talked about it last time we spoke on the phone

    10:28 Greg Nichols

    flash.....adding his sig takes one more day for delivery

    10:28 Kevin Brown

    That was to you, Paul.

    10:28 Paul Sparks

    Yes correct

    10:28 Flash Gordon

    i`m just kidding. take your time with the shipping.......as long as i get it by saturday i`m cool

    10:29 Kevin Brown

    Shoot, I`ll try to be brief on the foam

    10:29 Scottwax

    someone stuffed an LS1 into a 911

    10:29 Kevin Brown

    Flash if you want a 21 by Saturday I`m going to have to send you a loaner.

    10:29 Me

    has shared a file (298.jpg). Click here to download the file

    10:29 Scottwax

    LS1 911 start up - YouTube

    10:29pmWANT

    10:30 Flash Gordon

    no. i`m just kidding....really!

    10:30 AndrewBigA

    i will have to read that another night kevin lol

    10:30pmaint got time fo dat rite now

    10:30 CONCOURS.JOHN

    Are the new Megs compound MF availible yet?

    10:30 michakaveli

    LOL

    10:30 Me

    he`s in Michigan Scott

    10:30 Scottwax

    Ain`t nobody got time for that

    10:30pmOh yeah, 101 is out now, right?

    10:30pmNeed to hit up wash solutions, see if they have it

    10:31 Kevin Brown

    "Are the new Megs compound MF availible yet" Yes, but wait a big longer :0

    10:31pmYes, 101 is in da house! But, have you tried M100?

    10:31 Flash Gordon

    but i just ordered the old ones :/

    10:32 michakaveli

    One-Hunnit??

    10:32 boredstudent

    Kevin - What`s special about M100?

    10:32 Scottwax

    no whats the difference?

    10:32pmneed something to cut faster than 105

    10:32 Kevin Brown

    It`s really inexpensive and very user-friendly.

    10:32 LilJayV10

    when we talked you mentioned that you don`t look at foam pads being "cutting pads" "polishing pads" etc, we talked about drilling holes in the pad to change what it does. Here`s my question, how do you cut with a "finishing pad" and finish with a "cutting pad" You said one job you did all you had was a black/gray pad and used 105

    10:32 C. Charles Hahn

    Wait, what? "Compound MF" as in another new pad?

    10:32 Kevin Brown

    It cuts faster than M105.

    10:32 LilJayV10

    M100 is the best stuff I have ever used

    10:32 Scottwax

    LS1 996 open headers - in car - YouTube

    10:32pmEverythng works in the LS1 911!

    10:33 Paul Sparks

    IMO m100 kicks m105`s butt.

    10:33 Scottwax

    M100, eh?

    10:33 CONCOURS.JOHN

    We wil talk Kevin. have a SS396 full colorsand. Just waiting. Your exact fit for the Rupes is awesome.

    10:33 Greg Nichols

    yes Hahn

    10:33 C. Charles Hahn

    M100/M101 both kick 105`s butt

    10:33 Flash Gordon

    faster then 105?!?!? are you drunk?

    10:33 LilJayV10

    100 puts 105 to shame, lol

    10:33 Scottwax

    Have to call wash solutions in the morning then. Works well with MF pads?

    10:34 LilJayV10

    haven`t used 101 yet

    10:34 mikenap

    And it`s blue!

    10:34 boredstudent

    good i didn`t order any more M105

    10:34 Flash Gordon

    man. i must be out of the loop!

    10:34 CONCOURS.JOHN

    M105 is dusty but has its advantages.

    10:34 NotQuiteAPro

    good evening everybody

    10:34 Scottwax

    Worked the google, says 100 is for rotary, works okay with DA too?

    10:34 mikenap

    100 is way underpriced for its performance

    10:34 Paul Sparks

    M101 has killer cut but M100 is a lot cheaper if yuo don`t need the cut IMO\

    10:34 LilJayV10

    works great with DA scott

    10:35 Flash Gordon

    don`t be saying that or there will be a price increase

    10:35 NotQuiteAPro

    You think 100 is overprice? I think 101 is overpriced

    10:35 LilJayV10

    Rupes+MF pad+M100= defect killer

    10:35 Paul Sparks

    I use m100 with both

    10:35 Scottwax

    On not jet black BMW paint, 105 is coming up short, shouldn`t have to do multiple passes with a wool pad.

    10:35 mikenap

    ^this

    10:35 Kevin Brown

    "LilJayV10: when we talked you mentioned that you don`t look at foam pads being "cutting pads" "polishing pads" etc, we talked about drilling holes in the pad to change what it does. Here`s my question, how do you cut with a "finishing pad" and finish with a "cutting pad" You said one job you did all you had was a black/gray pad and used 105"

    Right. We are SPOILED with the compounds we have today, most of the good ones are using very fine abrasive, not clumped (aka n0n-diminshing). IF you can use a pad THAT can easily contour to the surface being polished AND the pad can consistently keep the paint surface clean or "gum-free"... then THAT pad can be used with great success as either a cutting pad or a finishing pad.

    10:35 Scottwax

    Do 100 or 101 occasionally leave pigtails like 105 can?

    10:36 Kevin Brown

    Scott, are you misting a bit of water between applications? that could ramp up your cut speed by as much as... 50%.

    10:36 Flash Gordon

    no doubt ^

    10:37 Scottwax

    I`ve tried, doesn`t seem to do much

    10:37 Kevin Brown

    It`s not about diluting the compound or rinsing away its lubricating properties...

    10:37 Scottwax

    And if 100 or 101 cut faster...

    10:37 steeda

    "Paul Sparks: M101 has killer cut but M100 is a lot cheaper if yuo don`t need the cut IMO\" How do you feel the M100 cuts compared to M105?

    10:37 Kevin Brown

    What speed?

    10:37 Flash Gordon

    keep trying

    10:37 mikenap

    I think those pigtails are more from clumped up cut off paint than from the compound itself.

    10:37 Scottwax

    I know, just enough to get it working again.

    10:37 Kevin Brown

    What pad, twisted, non-twisted strings?

    10:37 Scottwax

    have it on 6 with the DA, white foamed wool.

    10:38 Kevin Brown

    101 is the king kong

    10:38 Scottwax

    5" MF cutting discs don`t do squat

    10:38 Kevin Brown

    OH! wool on the DA?

    10:38 LilJayV10

    cuts more than 100?

    10:38 Scottwax

    At least not fast, that`s for sure, wool speeds it up

    10:38 Flash Gordon

    i thought it was pimp juice?

    10:38 NotQuiteAPro

    Do those Carpro or foamed wool pads work well on a DA?

    10:38 Scottwax

    Paint is hard enough 105 + wool looks pretty close to LSP ready

    10:38 Kevin Brown

    Uh, I think we can improve that.

    10:39pmWhich backing plate?

    10:39 Flash Gordon

    what about those denim pads?

    10:39 Paul Sparks

    IMO m100 cuts and finishes a little better then m105 and has a longer working time.

    10:39 CONCOURS.JOHN

    I`ve been playing with 105 for a while it can finish nice (not super perfect) but this is coming from someone who had to near finish with PPG DRX25.

    10:39 Kevin Brown

    You were the first guy to put up a "KBM" video if I am not mistaken...

    10:39 Scottwax

    I think its one of Optimum`s but I know its rebranded

    10:39 steeda

    thanks

    10:39 Scottwax

    Yeah, been working paint that way a long time

    10:40 Kevin Brown

    ROB!

    10:40 WCD

    Hey neighbor!

    10:40 Scottwax

    but I`ve been running into freakishly hard paint on some BMWs.

    10:40 Kevin Brown

    I think we can fix a lot of the issues by switching you over to an Exact Fit plate.

    10:40pmAnd residue is KILLING the cut.

    10:40 Flash Gordon

    you would have to read 1000 threads to cover the info kev has covered tonite. chatrooms rule!!!

    10:41 Paul Sparks

    Hey Rob

    10:41 Kevin Brown

    I`m sending you a plate.

    10:41 LilJayV10

    KB can you expound on the residue killing the cut?

    10:41 Scottwax

    I have a backing plate that is just a touch smaller than the 5" mf pads

    10:41pmbut not one quite as large as the wool pad

    10:41 NotQuiteAPro

    the M67?

    10:41 Kevin Brown

    You do? Most factory-sized plates are 4-7/8" and the mf`s are 5.5"... did oyu cut one down?

    10:42 Scottwax

    I could always go rotary but that generally means 3 steps

    10:42pmdon`t know, the 5" pads overlap it by about 1/8th of an inch.

    10:42pmThought the pads were 5"?

    10:42pmActually picked them up at walmart

    10:42 steeda

    the megs mf pads are 5"

    10:43 Kevin Brown

    5-1/2"

    10:43pmUnless they were prototype with neoprene vs foam

    10:43 Scottwax

    might be, could be old stock

    10:43pmIf 101 has more cut, definitely want to try that out

    10:44 Greg Nichols

    101 is nice but short working time

    10:44 Paul Sparks

    Pimp Juice

    10:44 Scottwax

    105 has a short working time too...

    10:44 Flash Gordon

    time 4 a klondike bar!!!! brb!!!!!

    10:44 Scottwax

    sometimes add a little OHP to give me longer work time

    10:45 C. Charles Hahn

    100`s working time is longer than 101/105

    10:45 CONCOURS.JOHN

    I can agree with Kevin, while a compound can in crease cut it can also load the pad much quicker. the expended product can abrade and mess the finish very quickly making the compound seem too harsh. At the same time a huge amont of material is being removed and subsequent steps to refine are removing more material,

    10:45 Paul Sparks

    Some guys are mixing M101 and D300 for a longer working time

    10:45 NotQuiteAPro

    I was going to order some M101 but was thinking I like HD Cut better? How is the cut compared between the two? Is M101 the new king of cut?

    10:45pm^^^ yes I have read that on AGO

    10:45 Scottwax

    I spin the pad over a nylon bristle brush after every section

    10:46 mikenap

    HD Cut has less cut than 105 but longer work time

    10:46 Scottwax

    HD cut works okay, sometimes its hard to wipe off, but the new version isn`t as tempermental

    10:46 Paul Sparks

    Agreed

    10:46 mikenap

    I don`t know anything that cuts more than 101 currently

    10:46pmNew version of cut is way better than the first batch

    10:47 Bill Holbrook

    I use to do that need to use air much better

    10:47 hybridhacker

    rocks in a bottle

    10:47 Scottwax

    So 101 > 100 > 105?

    10:47 mikenap

    yes

    10:47 LilJayV10

    something strange i noticed last night, i put some M100 in one of those small clear bottles, it just slides off the sides to the bottom compared to D300, M105 and 205 clings to the sides

    10:47 Kevin Brown

    LilJayV10: KB can you expound on the residue killing the cut? The residue encompasses the tiny abrasive particles, locks them onto the pad, and therefore they are minimally touching the paint, or not at all. The paint residue doesn`t allow fibers such as microfiber to stay independent of each other, so they scour as well because they are larger in diameter, misshapen, etc. This is why a simple spritz of water helps so much; it creates drag when the pad rolls across it, which pulls the residue and abrasive back out of the pad.

    10:47 NotQuiteAPro

    Wow, ok I need to track down a sample of M101 then, that sound really agressive.

    10:47 Flash Gordon

    lol to rocks n bottle!!! that was my answer but my klondike bar is melting!

    10:48pmwas

    10:48 mikenap

    NQAP, aren`t you in Statesville?

    10:48 Flash Gordon

    is

    10:48 Greg Nichols

    I have some 101 I can send to you Not a Pro, if you cover shipping

    10:48 NotQuiteAPro

    Salisbury

    10:48 Flash Gordon

    no, was

    10:48pmwaselting

    10:48 CONCOURS.JOHN

    DRX55 Mikenap it can level full orange peel without sanding removes 600 grit sand marks.

    10:48 mikenap

    Ok. I`m in Concord. I can get you a sample

    10:48 Kevin Brown

    Scott, you should switch to a microfiber towel instead of the brush. It will REMOVE a lot more of the residue and fluff the fibers WAY better than a brush.

    10:49 mikenap

    Not familiar with it John. How makes it?

    10:49 NotQuiteAPro

    Mike, send me a 10:49 Greg Gellas

    I dont find a DA spins with a MF. Is that your case also Kevin?

    10:49pmDa Doesn`t spin

    10:49 mikenap

    I will

    10:50 Scottwax

    I use a wet MF it is seems like the pad is really loading up.

    10:50 mikenap

    in a few minutes

    10:50 Hoytman

    KB...Did I misunderstand you earlier stating that you use a brush too?

    10:50 Scottwax

    then the brush again

    10:50 Kevin Brown

    No, what do you mean, are you saying that when you use a microfiber on a typical random orbital that the backing plate rotation is slowed or stalled?

    10:50 Flash Gordon

    i i`ve found heavy pressure is NOT always the answer

    10:51 Scottwax

    When I use a DA, I use enough pressure to bog the machine, then let up just enough to get it sped back up again.

    10:51 CONCOURS.JOHN

    PPG Makes DRX 55 no longer availible. I only have access to a few gallons. Definition of rocks in a bottle.

    10:51 Kevin Brown

    Only if the edge of the pad is loaded with crunchy stuff that won`t come off with air of a microfiber towel. But I do this with the machine off... I don`t risk shredding the pad.

    10:51 Greg Gellas

    Yes when I use a towel to try to Clean it simply stalls out on me. I have been using a hard edge to clean and fluff the pad. At the shop I use the leading edge of my plastic sink.

    10:51 Hoytman

    Got it. Thanks!

    10:51 NotQuiteAPro

    I use a MF to clean pads, when I do it the spindle doesn`t rotate just vibrates, I hold my arm with it bent 90 degrees at the elbow and hold the towel gripped in my fingers and run the DA down the towel on top of my arm in a wiping motion using my arm to hold the towel in place. Then I hit it with the brush to fluff.

    10:52 Flash Gordon

    remember when everyone was busting spindles?

    10:52 NotQuiteAPro

    Works great, IME

    10:52 Hoytman

    KB...My question was in regards to cleaning foam. Does it work for mf as well?

    10:52 Scottwax

    Never broke a spindle and at times I put a ton of pressure on DA`s.

    10:52 Greg Nichols

    I think it past my bed time.....

    10:52 hybridhacker

    old man

    10:53 Greg Nichols

    still dealing with sinus infection and better hit the hay

    10:53 Hoytman

    Or do you use brush and possibly prefer air for cleaning mf?

    10:53 hybridhacker

    Later G

    10:53 Greg Nichols

    chad the only reason you are still on is the wife is away.....so back off

    10:53 Paul Sparks

    Later Greg. Thanks for stopping in.

    10:53 C. Charles Hahn

    later Greg

    10:53 Greg Nichols

    later paul

    10:53 hybridhacker

    lol

    10:53 Kevin Brown

    Oh... no I try not to TOUCH the pad or disc with a hard edge only because I don`t want to risk transferring material ONTO the pad or disc.

    I try not to buff over TAPE for that EXACT reason. I see a lot of guys do this, and they wonder why their finishing is inconsistent, even on the same panel.

    TAPE RESIDUE gets into the pad.

    10:53 Greg Gellas

    Later Greg

    10:53 mikenap

    later greg

    10:54 Kevin Brown

    Not the sticky glue... the actual tape.

    10:54 Greg Nichols

    later chad

    10:54pmlater mike

    10:54 Scottwax

    Probably get to sleep in, chance of rain Saturday so my regular Thursday morning wash customer (last weekly one I have) won`t get his vehicles washed.

    10:54 Flash Gordon

    me neither, but I think we both have enough common sense not to put are full body weight unto the machine. I`m afraid some did not

    10:54 kakeuter

    Good point about not running the machine over the tape line

    10:55 Greg Gellas

    Really, So even using a new paint scraper could transfer metal to the MF pad?

    10:55 mikenap

    when the hell did Kody get here?

    10:55 kakeuter

    ninja

    10:55 Flash Gordon

    who uses tape?

    10:55 mikenap

    obviously!

    10:55 Kevin Brown

    Air is best for removing hard debris and fluffing of the pad.

    Microfiber is best for removing MOISTURE from the pad, and 2nd best for fluffing of the pad.

    A brush is the LEAST effective.

    10:55 mikenap

    and I must be retarded....so hybridhacker has been Chad this whole time????

    10:56 Scottwax

    Brush usually fluffs it right up

    10:56 hybridhacker

    lmao

    10:56pmSLOW

    10:56 Greg Nichols

    thanks for sharing KB it was good to sit in

    10:56 mikenap

    don`t laugh at me you *******!!!

    10:56 C. Charles Hahn

    Chad in deep cover

    10:56 Flash Gordon

    hybird was rasky?

    10:56 hybridhacker

    I like the brush for fluffing up fibers

    10:56 michakaveli

    Dirty South

    10:56 mikenap

    Chad just stole Kody`s top ninja award

    10:57 Kevin Brown

    Definitely, most of these buffing liquids are using hard particles such as aluminum oxide... rest assured, they`ll cut into paint, plastic, glass, chrome... whatever!

    10:57 mikenap

    Lol@Chris

    10:57 hybridhacker

    I usually hit with brush and air, or just air

    10:57 Greg Gellas

    My fingernails have been the best tool to fluff a MF pad.

    10:57 Kevin Brown

    Thanks, Nichols, chat with you soon

    10:57 michakaveli

    IROC-Z

    10:57 Scottwax

    D300 really clogs pads

    10:57 michakaveli

    compressed air cleans the MF pads right up

    10:58 kakeuter

    i`ve been known to use my fingernails as well, looks like a fresh manicure after a polishing session

    10:58 Kevin Brown

    Yup air is best.

    10:58 kakeuter

    i`ll try using the MF towel more

    10:58 LilJayV10

    I clean the MF pad with brush and compressed air. would it be beneficial to incorporate an MF towel as well?

    10:58 C. Charles Hahn

    I use the tornador blow gun to fluff my MF pads... works really well

    10:59 michakaveli

    compressed air... MF pads... whatever you want for polish/compound - FTW

    10:59 Hoytman

    Good idea charlie...if you have one.

    10:59 Me

    Good idea C

    10:59 michakaveli

    E46 M3

    10:59 Hoytman

    I can see that working really well.

    10:59 michakaveli

    a small glass of distilled white vinegar in a rinse cycle.. them throw them in the dryer for a bit... come out fluffy and Nice!

    11:00 Bill Holbrook

    Thanks Kevin will talk with soon. again thanks for all your advice to make my fun easier.

    11:00 Scottwax

    Got a dealer screw up to fix on Tuesday...at the dealership. Should be interesting.

    11:00 Paul Sparks

    Will have to try the mf towel. Have used air and brush so far

    11:00 Flash Gordon

    i use a hairdryer and a moustache brush on mine

    11:00 Kevin Brown

    Thanks, Bill.

    11:00 michakaveli

    waste of time

    11:00 NotQuiteAPro

    HAH Scott that might make for an entertaining day.

    11:01 Kevin Brown

    The microfiber pulls a LOT of moisture, which really helps that disc stay fresh a lot longer.

    11:01pmFlash.

    11:01pmMoustache brush!!!!!

    11:01 Hoytman

    I`m lost. I thought KB was talking about using mf towels on foam pads, and air for mf pads.

    11:01 Me

    handlebar style

    11:01 Hoytman

    Guess I missed it.

    11:01 hybridhacker

    KB....are you going to touch on any future plans for BuffDaddy?

    11:01 Scottwax

    the detailer they contract out to on occasion told the owner of the vehicle that buffer swirls are a fact of life with black paint

    11:01 Kevin Brown

    No, air on both, towel on both.

    11:02pmSure!

    11:02 Hoytman

    Got it.

    11:02 hybridhacker

    Need to add T-Shirts to store ASAP!

    11:02 Kevin Brown

    I`m bringing in Prevost air hose, couplers, and fittings. They`re very high quality.

    11:02 Me

    the million dollar ?

    11:02 Flash Gordon

    we haven`t even talked about sanding tonite

    11:03 Me

    they make blow guns?

    11:03 michakaveli

    Dave... you gonna be down @ DetailFest?

    11:03 boredstudent

    t-shirts only for cool people

    11:03 hybridhacker

    Nice! We are redoing the air set up at my place.

    11:03 Kevin Brown

    I have to spend time adding in some more Festool to my site... I have Rotex dual Mode machines in stock, and the Shinex rotary.

    11:03 Hoytman

    KB couldn`t get a word in for your buying your polisher Flash.

    11:03 Paul Sparks

    Are they the push button release type ?

    11:03 michakaveli

    KB.... DetailFest?

    11:03 Me

    NO, probably not allowed

    11:03 Kevin Brown

    Yes, push button

    11:03 michakaveli

    LOL

    11:03 Kevin Brown

    No Detail Fest for me!

    11:03 LilJayV10

    i`m going to get to demo a shinex next week

    11:04 Kevin Brown

    I did see the purchase!

    11:04 LilJayV10

    i believe i will be trying it out on a test panel of some sorts

    11:04 Flash Gordon

    vote for the guy covered in dust with the respirator on for one of your t shirts

    11:04 michakaveli

    dang.... woulda been nice to shake hands, etc...

    11:04 Scottwax

    We got crazy busy all of a sudden, no rest for the wicked.

    11:04 kakeuter

    Prevost air fittings are legit

    11:04 Kevin Brown

    Bring earplugs.

    11:04 kakeuter

    solid choice

    11:04 Me

    sorry

    11:04 Paul Sparks

    when might we see some class info ?

    11:04 LilJayV10

    i remember you saying it was loud

    11:04 hybridhacker

    Let me know when you get the Prevost stuff in.

    11:05 Kevin Brown

    Oh, my friend Larry?:

    http://www.buffdaddy.c...about

    11:05 LilJayV10

    now that i have the rupes21 i don`t know if i really need it but my brother in law has a festool rep who said i could use it

    11:05 Flash Gordon

    same ppl that make the bus?

    11:05 Kevin Brown

    No, Flash. Francais, por favor.

    11:06 Flash Gordon

    lol! yea, thats the one!

    11:06 Kevin Brown

    For NXT?! I need to twist Jason`s arm.

    11:06 mikenap

    Alright all you guys in those lazy time zones, it`s late over here so I gotta go. Later.

    11:06 Kevin Brown

    I`m glad you saw the humor in that one, I thought it was funny.

    11:07 Paul Sparks

    Ok thanks , we will be watching

    11:07 Kevin Brown

    Okay Mike, thanks.!

    11:07 PorscheGuy997

    Evening, gentlemen

    11:07 C. Charles Hahn

    later Mike

    11:07 hybridhacker

    Dasher!

    11:07 Me

    yo

    11:07 Kevin Brown

    CHRIS IN DA HOUSE

    11:07 C. Charles Hahn

    Sup Dasher?

    11:07 kakeuter

    Doubt y`all would have any trouble filling a class, I understand it`s not easy to schedule and plan out something like NXT though

    11:07 hybridhacker

    GIF or GTFO!

    11:07 Kevin Brown

    K T PERRY! K T PERRY! K T PERRY!

    11:07 michakaveli

    LOL

    11:07 mikenap

    Thank you Kevin, glad you did this chat tonight!

    11:07 Paul Sparks

    Damn Chris. Alarm clock broken ?

    11:07 hybridhacker

    YES!

    11:07 mikenap

    Later Charlie

    11:07 Flash Gordon

    Oh, those prevost buses are MURDER!!!

    11:07 Kevin Brown

    I wonder if we could fill two classes?

    11:07 PorscheGuy997

    Just got home from work...don`t blame my clocks...

    11:07 kakeuter

    I bet you could

    11:08 C. Charles Hahn

    I bet you could easily, Kevin

    11:08 hybridhacker

    Kevin I would go again all day long

    11:08 kakeuter

    After the last one, I think everyone regained the itch

    11:08 C. Charles Hahn

    I`ll be there regardless

    11:08 kakeuter

    I`m definitely there

    11:08 Paul Sparks

    Yes two classes or NXT east or midwest.

    11:08 Flash Gordon

    hey dasher. guess who bought a RUPES 21 tonite?

    11:09 PorscheGuy997

    You?

    11:09 Kevin Brown

    Wasn`t that fun?! A bit uncontrolled in the shop, we`d have to fix that because I was like a deer in the headlights out there.

    11:09pmNice way to scare him off, Flash!

    11:09pm:0

    11:09 Flash Gordon

    11:09 Me

    lol

    11:10 PorscheGuy997

    (trying to see if I can have Katie on this type of chat)

    11:10 hybridhacker

    Yeah

    11:10 michakaveli

    Kevin...u also have a painting/refinishing background as well?

    11:10 hybridhacker

    yea

    11:10 Kevin Brown

    Flash, you were my only sale today!! It was an odd one.

    11:10 Me

    or the Turkish Hacker

    11:10 Paul Sparks

    Had a great time Kevin and I want to thank you for the time you gave up tonight.

    11:10 PorscheGuy997

    nope, no webcams allowed...

    11:10 Flash Gordon

    lol turkish hack

    11:10 Kevin Brown

    Did you see what I wrote, that i ran outta 21`s? Do you need me to send a loaner for a job this weekend?

    11:10 hybridhacker

    Boo

    11:10 Kevin Brown

    Awwww, man.

    11:10 Flash Gordon

    odd is how i roll!

    11:11 LilJayV10

    I feel lucky I got my 21 a few weeks ago

    11:11 PorscheGuy997

    You`re out of 21`s? Wow...

    11:11 Flash Gordon

    i`m good

    11:12 NotQuiteAPro

    Alright guys I`m going to take off and try finishing up this panel I`m putting together for my cars with all my accessories wired up on it. Rewiring everything to make it nice a clean. I`m a freak I really enjoy wiring Hoping to make my first pass on the juice this summer with my 2-step and window switch finally wired up. Ya`ll take care and don`t work too hard!

    11:12 Kevin Brown

    Thanks, Paul.

    11:12 Hoytman

    11:12 Paul Sparks

    Dashers 21 is jinxed. he made the mistake of letting me use it. lol.

    11:13 Kevin Brown

    "michakaveli: Kevin...u also have a painting/refinishing background as well?"

    No, just detailing and a LOT of paint polishing.

    11:13 Scottwax

    Busy weekend coming up, Cayenne exterior detail, 328 full detail Saturday, Jetta exterior detail and RS5 Opti-Coat Sunday.

    11:13 Kevin Brown

    Yeah, blew through some and didn`t time my order right. Have plenty of 15`s.

    11:13 Flash Gordon

    i won`t be working near as hard as you will. good luck and good nite!

    11:13 PorscheGuy997

    My 21 is doing just fine...don`t try and take it.

    11:13 LilJayV10

    scott, i know you OC a lot of cars

    11:13pmdo they have any manufacter training or anything?

    11:14 NotQuiteAPro

    Scott I love the old school 328

    11:14 Scottwax

    not that I know of specifically

    11:14 NotQuiteAPro

    try and do a C&B on it if you want

    11:14 Me

    when are you getting more 21`s KB

    11:14 Scottwax

    its an E92 328

    11:14 Kevin Brown

    I`ve got 36 21`s on the way and 16 21 kits as well.

    11:14 NotQuiteAPro

    Gotcha

    11:14 kakeuter

    21 kit!!

    11:14 NotQuiteAPro

    still a nice car though

    11:14 Me

    kool

    11:14 NotQuiteAPro

    Take care guys

    11:14 Scottwax

    yeah, like the E92s a lot

    11:15 hybridhacker

    TA 50 in stock?

    11:15 PorscheGuy997

    has shared a file (201009281370533040.gif). Click here to download the file

    11:15 Kevin Brown

    they`re leaving italy Friday, will arrive in L.A. by the weekend, and will ship up to me likely Tuesday.

    11:15 PorscheGuy997

    has shared a file (201009281370533040.gif). Click here to download the file

    11:15 Kevin Brown

    (8) TA50`s on the way as well.

    11:16 Scottwax

    Got an Opti-Coat on a new Audi as soon as I get back from AZ, plus at least two there.

    11:16 hybridhacker

    Cool....I need to make some money first anyway.

    11:16 PorscheGuy997

    There ya go...Katie for all the old timers...

    11:16 Kevin Brown

    I LOVE Elmo`s single vertical eyebrow!!!

    11:16 hybridhacker

    has shared a handwritten message11:17 PorscheGuy997

    well played, sir...well played...

    11:17 Me

    lol

    11:17 Kevin Brown

    has shared a handwritten message11:18 hybridhacker

    ROTFLMAO

    11:18 C. Charles Hahn

    has shared a file (elmo.jpg). Click here to download the file

    11:18 hybridhacker

    cant stop laughing at that one!

    11:19 Flash Gordon

    LOL

    11:19 Kevin Brown

    oh that`s funny

    11:19 steeda

    lol

    11:19 PorscheGuy997

    has shared a handwritten message11:19 Kevin Brown

    hahahahahaaa funny nite

    11:19pmOMG what the hhhhh

    11:19 kakeuter

    haha

    11:19 Kevin Brown

    has shared a handwritten message11:20 LilJayV10

    so megs has some new compounds of MF pads coming out?

    11:20 PorscheGuy997

    has shared a handwritten message11:20 LilJayV10

    *or

    11:20 Kevin Brown

    They`ve always got something in the works... sure gets frustrating waiting around.

    11:21 LilJayV10

    can you say what it is?

    11:21pmcompound or pad?

    11:21 hybridhacker

    what it is

    11:21 LilJayV10

    lol

    11:22 Kevin Brown

    Cannot confirm either way thank to signing a non-disclosure agreement with Meguiar`s/3M.

    11:22 Me

    can you imagine how many polishers you`d sell if you came out with one!!

    11:22 Kevin Brown

    They`ll bustacap in my ***.

    11:22 hybridhacker

    ^^^that!

    11:22 LilJayV10

    i understand, lol

    11:23 Kevin Brown

    I can think of (4) I want to make.

    11:23 PorscheGuy997

    M101.5

    11:23 Flash Gordon

    has shared a handwritten message11:23 Kevin Brown

    I`ll use the drawing board for three of them.

    11:23 LilJayV10

    its like talking to a politcian

    11:23pmlol

    11:23 Kevin Brown

    hahahahahaha

    11:23 Paul Sparks

    Tonights turnout was great. You guys do know it`s open every Wednesday evening. It would be great to see a lot of you here more often.

    11:23 Kevin Brown

    I`ll try.

    11:23 boredstudent

    M505...sos...heh

    11:24 hybridhacker

    KB...you hire a helper yet?

    11:24 C. Charles Hahn

    Got another question for you Kevin, did you ever get around to having more of those shrouds for the G110v2 made? I still want one....

    11:24 Me

    when should I stop the recording of the chat history???

    11:24 Flash Gordon

    ME 2. I LIKE CHATS

    11:24 Scottwax

    Hockey season is off for a month so I might be able to be here more often.

    11:24 Kevin Brown

    Charles, no but I almost dropped the cash for them. Do you think I can sell 50 units ?!

    11:24 PorscheGuy997

    Right after I joined the chat would be a good time to stop the recording...

    11:25 Kevin Brown

    No. No helper, just caffeine.

    11:25 hybridhacker

    lol

    11:25 kakeuter

    I would like the different shroud as well, get some more use out of my G110v2

    11:25 Me

    haha dasher

    11:25 Kevin Brown

    that`s two!

    11:25 C. Charles Hahn

    50 units, hard to say.... probably/eventually?

    11:25 hybridhacker

    You must get like 2hrs of sleep each night

    11:25 kakeuter

    once the word spreads about them, we can all help with that

    11:25 C. Charles Hahn

    ^agreed, I`d promote it

    11:26 Flash Gordon

    sleep is over rated

    11:26 Paul Sparks

    +1 for me

    11:26 hybridhacker

    I think the demand is lower now that you have the Rupes

    11:26pmI love mine though!!!

    11:26 Scottwax

    sleep? whats that?

    11:26 Flash Gordon

    thats that thing i do as i drive

    11:27 hybridhacker

    What would Price be on them?

    11:27 Paul Sparks

    I still drag out my Megs da now and then.

    11:27 hybridhacker

    I sold my older G110v2, but the one from NXTi rocks!

    11:28 Paul Sparks

    3 down 47 to go.

    11:28 kakeuter

    mine`s currently designated as my carpet brush

    11:28 Kevin Brown

    has shared a handwritten message11:28 boredstudent

    Thank you for hosting the char Kevin!

    Got to go and eat dinner now, rip apart a rotisserie chicken nom nom nom

    Thanks for getting the Mirka 2500 Grit sheets on the website... now you know who I am...haha

    11:29 hybridhacker

    Looks like a tank!

    11:29 Paul Sparks

    ??? next machine

    11:29 PorscheGuy997

    That is quite the accurate drawing, Kevin. When are you taking orders?

    11:29 hybridhacker

    Looks like a BuffPRo

    11:30 Kevin Brown

    Microfiber belt, orbital pad. Variable belt speed. Lots of extra belt. This would allow for a tremendous amount of surface area to be used.

    11:30pmFunny!

    11:30 hybridhacker

    11:30 Flash Gordon

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    Later, Flash

    11:30 hybridhacker

    L8R Flash

    11:30 C. Charles Hahn

    reminds me of those towel things in some public restrooms

    11:30 Hoytman

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    has shared a handwritten message11:30pmhas shared a handwritten message11:31 LilJayV10

    i have a question, how is everyone cleaning between letters of an emblem. For example, I`m trying clean where it says ESCALADE on the door and can`t get it looking like I want

    11:32 Flash Gordon

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    Belt drive, CEROS motor. rotary.

    11:32 steeda

    MF flapper wheel?

    11:32 hybridhacker

    Hey KB....what causes the sanding discs to "suction" to the paint from time to time? To much water?

    11:32 LilJayV10

    i have thought about getting a steamer just for that reason

    11:32 boredstudent

    Lator Gators

    11:32 Paul Sparks

    I use a vx5000 for emblems and various trim

    11:32 Kevin Brown

    Residue + water = way too much abrasive surface area in contact with the paint, so it stalls rotation.

    11:33 Greg Gellas

    Gentlemen it`s been a pleasure. I am headed to bed. Have a good Night all.

    11:33 C. Charles Hahn

    later Greg

    11:33 Kevin Brown

    Mite boredstudent and greg

    11:33pmNite

    11:33pmI menat

    11:33 Me

    I think I`ll cut off the chat recording right here and post it on the thread to this. OK?

    11:33 hybridhacker

    KB....You know I did CAD right? Let me know if you ever need solid modeling done.

    11:33 Paul Sparks

    Later Greg

    11:33 hybridhacker

    do

    11:33 Kevin Brown

    Really?!

    11:33 hybridhacker

    Later GG

    11:33 Kevin Brown

    cool

    11:33 kakeuter

    thanks for recording David

    11:33 hybridhacker

    Yep

    11:33 Flash Gordon

    has shared a handwritten message11:34 Me

    yes, just the recording. Feel free to keep going

    11:34 hybridhacker

    Pro/E and Solid Works

    11:34 Kevin Brown

    Wow, we need money to build cool tools.

    11:34pmOk

    11:34 LilJayV10

    how much is the VX5000?

    11:34 Hoytman

    Does 849x have an adjustable speed via the trigger? Variable at the trigger?

    11:34 Paul Sparks

    695

    11:34 hybridhacker

    Have 6 rapid prototype machines at work too.

    11:34 LilJayV10

    scott I sent you a private message

    11:35 C. Charles Hahn

    "BuffDaddy can build it. He has the technology."

    11:35 Flash Gordon

    has shared a handwritten message11:36 Hoytman

    As in set the 849x to lowest speed, then have the ability to go even lower at the trigger?

    11:36 C. Charles Hahn

    to an extent, yes

    11:36 Scottwax

    not on autopia, turned that off, get 10-15 PMs a day asking how to detail car gets old quick, you can hit me up at scott@scottwax.com

    11:36 C. Charles Hahn

    the trigger is only so-so.

    11:36 Kevin Brown

    Yes, it`a a variable trigger but it has soft start so it can be a bit funky, I suspect.

    11:37 Flash Gordon

    has shared a handwritten message11:37 Kevin Brown

    hahahahahaaa

    11:38 hybridhacker

    Hey KB....what causes the sanding discs to "suction" to the paint from time to time? Too much water?

    11:39 Flash Gordon

    i had a guy here pm me to death one time wanting me to clean his 15 yr old tail pipes for FREE!

    11:39 Hoytman

    Well, I`m looking to buy a rotary in the future (to replace my cheapo unit) and wanted a varible speed trigger like on the Flex. Wasn`t sure if Makita, DeWalt, or other manufacturers offered it or not. ...Cornholio...LOL.

    11:39 Scottwax

    Get a dewalt, last you 50 years

    11:39 Kevin Brown

    Residue + water = way too much abrasive surface area in contact with the paint, so it stalls rotation.

    11:39pmvery little to zero void area between the disc and paint, lots of drag.

    11:40 Flash Gordon

    has shared a handwritten message11:41 LilJayV10

    email sent Scott

    11:41 hybridhacker

    Abranet seem to work better.

    11:41 michakaveli

    Ok folks.... night night I go.... heading to FL in da AM and should be walking around DetailFest Sunday morning sometime... Feel free to stop me and say hello

    11:41 Scottwax

    okay, get it when I use my laptop, e-mail program on my desktop clears everything off the server and off my phone...

    11:42 Kevin Brown

    Abranet has a lot of void area... should never happen with it!

    11:42pmNite michakaveli

    11:42pmI`m wrapping it for the night as well. Flash, can I call you manana?

    11:43 hybridhacker

    I hit the roof on that TA with 1000 grit Abranet and man did that level fast!

    11:43 LilJayV10

    has shared a handwritten message11:43 Kevin Brown

    Yeah? I think it levels killer

    11:43pmFor a sanding disc.

    11:43 hybridhacker

    Thanks for everything Kevin!

    11:43 kakeuter

    thanks for your time, Kevin

    11:43 and everyone else

    11:44 Kevin Brown

    Thanks, man. I has a good time.

    11:44 Scottwax

    Flash-traded e-mails with some guy only to find out he just wanted his engine clean and a vacuum and it was in 80 mile round trip. He wanted it done to a car he was selling for $1995.

    11:44 hybridhacker

    I`m outie too

    11:44 C. Charles Hahn

    later Kevin, thank you! I`ll be in touch Friday to place an order

    11:44 Scottwax

    Couldn`t get it through his head I`d have to charge him at least $150 because of the distance

    11:44 Flash Gordon

    has shared a handwritten message11:45 Hoytman

    Thanks for your time, Kevin.

    11:45 Paul Sparks

    Hope everyone enoyed tonights chat

    11:46 C. Charles Hahn

    Will the real Chad please stand up? lol

    11:46 RaskyR1

    Now I`m leaving for real.

    11:46 Hoytman

    Somehow I get this feeling Flash was sheltered as a child.

    11:46 steeda

    Night everyone

    11:46 C. Charles Hahn

    I`m packing it in as well guys, good night all!

    11:46 Paul Sparks

    We are always open to suggestions on who you would like to have as guest here in the chatroom.

    11:47 Scottwax

    Stars are tied at 3, in the 3rd, I`m out, need to watch some HOCKEY.

    11:47 Flash Gordon

    I could tell you horror stories on the times my chain has been yanked in this biz. ppl think because you detail cars you are stupid i think

    11:47 Hoytman

    Well, Are you?

    11:47pmJ/K, of course.

    11:47 LilJayV10

    i hate the word "detailing" anyone that goes to auto zone buys an orbital buffer, some cleaner wax and some interior cleaner things they can "detail" cars

    11:48 Paul Sparks

    Did you have a good time tonight Bill ?

    11:48 LilJayV10

    *thinks

    11:48
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    Wow, shame I had to leave so early. There was 35 in at the time. Went on another hour it looks like.



    Thanks again Kevin for stopping by and passing on some of your detailing wisdom!
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    Last nights chat was great. Kudos to Kevin for the giving of his time and the sharing of his expertise. Thanks to all the members that stopped by and contributed to the evening. This chatroom is a weekly event and it would be great to see a lot of the members from last night stop by more often and join in. We are always looking for suggestions on how to improve these sessions and who you would like to see invited in the future.
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    Hi Paul,

    Thanks for the invite a few weeks ago. I actually stumbled onto the chat the other evening, but I did enjoy it.



    Wanted to thank Mr. Brown for sharing his time with us.



    It was my first time participating in a chat, so it took a little getting used to at first. Lots of comments popping in at one time, and that made it tough for all of us, imo, to try and keep up. I`ve shared some suggestions with Paul, and I`m sure that with additional suggestions from others along with a little trial and error these chats could really take off. I agree with Paul that the chats have great potential to be a great learning tool for all of us.



    I`d also like to thank the moderators and the forum owner for allowing this sort of thing to take place.



    One thing I think is really neat, and something I wasn`t expecting, was logging in on the forum this evening and being able to read the chat "chatter". That`s really nice for the folks that weren`t able to participate.



    I don`t know to many of you folks over here, but I do recognize some of the names and I feel last nights` chat had some great talent participating for me to learn from. I like to clown around some just like most of you, but I also like to give my full attention to the guest speakers. I really liked how Ron (don`t recall the last name) was asking some good questions and trying to keep things in-line a bit. The fast posting makes it a bit tough to focus.



    I`d also like to take this time to thank Paul, Garry Dean, and Charlie Hahn, all who`ve been super nice to me and have all helped me get my feet wet to a much higher degree, and they`ve all offered me solid advice at one time or another, either through numerous phone calls, emails, or pm`s. Thanks guys.



    Once again, a big thank goes out to Kevin Brown for his time in the chat room.

 

 
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