Need help with Menzerna & Holograms

[imported_Mighty HD]

Working on a 98 grand am. Repainted about 3 years ago using black PPG paint.



I am using: PC, Excel detail pads, QD, water/soap for washing & a wash mitt.



I had bad swirls before from my wife washing it with a sponge, I buffed it about 8 months ago and it came out flawless. I must have opened up a can of worms.



I started by wash/clay/dry with WW

Then hit the paint with Menzerna IP with the PC and a yellow pad.

I pulled it out into the sun and holograms like a Mother. I used it on speed 4 & 5 and kept the surface wet with QD.

Buffed with a MF.



So I tried to get something with fillers---3m swirl mark remover for dark cars green pad--No luck there either. I then tried Menzerna FP II with a green pad, no luck, still there. Tried Meguiars swirl mark remover 2.0, no luck.



What the H am I doing wrong??? I`ve done this process on 8 cars using IP, FP-II, Glaze & FMJ and have never had this happen.



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[imported_Amused]

why are you lubing the panel with QD while you polish? that will affect the polish`s ability to do its job. and with IP, i would suggest running the PC @ 5 at the minimum, preferably @ 5.5 - 6. then follow up with FP II with a polishing pad. let the polish do its work and don`t add to it with QD.

[SpoiledMan]

...and kept the surface wet with QD.....

That, my friend, is your problem. The addition of QD to the surface is making the surface more slick(less friction). Less friction = less heat = abrasives don`t break down properly. Take your time and work it again.

[imported_DARKSTI]

dont prime the pad...a few of the Manufactures ave said that can screw with the polishes makeup. I can atest to that.

[imported_drg]

Whoa no wetness!



Water can actually make the polish more agressive, its a no-no :rules:

[imported_Mighty HD]

On this site:

http://www.properautocare.com/meninpol.html



It says to mist it with h20, on 3.5-4 which I did, then I tried QD, then Alochol/h20 50/50. When it was nearly dry, I removed as much as I could with a MF, then spritzed it a bit with the 50/50 mix and it came off.



So you guys say to use IP by itself with NO lubrication at all, work it until it`s dry on 5 or even 6?!



I got frusterated with it and got it cleaned off and did a crap wax job of #27 over it for now. It seems that a lot of the holograms went away but they`re still there.



Now next weekend when I do this again:

IP with NO lubrication on 3 starting, then crank it up to 5. (How do I keep it from drying out so fast?)

Then FP II with or without lubrication?

Glaze with a blue pad

and fmj by hand.





I`m a bit flustered because I`ve done this same process on the black car once before and didnt have this trouble---maybe I opened up a can of worms.... :frusterated:



Thank you dearly for the replies.

[imported_DARKSTI]

On this site:

http://www.properautocare.com/meninpol.html



It says to mist it with h20, on 3.5-4 which I did, then I tried QD, then Alochol/h20 50/50. When it was nearly dry, I removed as much as I could with a MF, then spritzed it a bit with the 50/50 mix and it came off.



So you guys say to use IP by itself with NO lubrication at all, work it until it`s dry on 5 or even 6?!



I got frusterated with it and got it cleaned off and did a crap wax job of #27 over it for now. It seems that a lot of the holograms went away but they`re still there.



Now next weekend when I do this again:

IP with NO lubrication on 3 starting, then crank it up to 5. (How do I keep it from drying out so fast?)

Then FP II with or without lubrication?

Glaze with a blue pad

and fmj by hand.





I`m a bit flustered because I`ve done this same process on the black car once before and didnt have this trouble---maybe I opened up a can of worms.... :frusterated:



Thank you dearly for the replies.

yeap, i start at 4.5/5 and end at 6. works great, very little hazing, even with a cutting pad. I never use a QD when polishing.

[SVR]

I`ve primed the pad with water always but only one quick mist as I don`t want to dry buff and get the buffer pad chattering

Had no problems but I know one person who can use Menz by rotary without water and he`s better than me with one



So should I use all Menz products with rotary without any H20 on the pad?

[mgm2003]

I`ve primed the pad with water always but only one quick mist as I don`t want to dry buff and get the buffer pad chattering

Had no problems but I know one person who can use Menz by rotary without water and he`s better than me with one



So should I use all Menz products with rotary without any H20 on the pad?

My pads are damp on the rotary from washing them out/spin drying and I don`t have this problem.



On the PC, I mist 1 squirt of S&W or water on a dry pad, when I prime the pad and don`t have this issue either.



If you are spraying QD on the panel you`re going to create a mess with sling, and I agree that your polish will be more aggressive.

[imported_rfinkle2]

i just got some menzerna FPII and a little brochure came along with it. The brochure has directions from what looks to be Menzerna, and shows the user misting the pad w/ water.



I have had really good results misting a microfiber pad on the PC , @ around 1-1.5, with moderate pressure.



It could be that the car is dark, and that you are noticing micro-marring and hologramming more b/c of the color.



....You could also try in a spot... FPII on a misted microfiber applicator / rag and do a small spot by hand. If that works to resolve the problem, slap some micofiber in between the pad and the pc and repeat w/ the machine....





COULD YOU LET ME KNOW IF THIS WORKS 4 U?

[imported_Mighty HD]

I`m going to attempt to do this again this weekend hopefully.



I did the neighbor`s car 2 nights ago, using IP, FP, and FMJ---using the same methods I used on my black car, and got NO holograms. he has a factory black paintjob however on an envoy. I wander if it`s because I have aftermarket paint thats giving me the trouble? I think that there is nothing better than factory paint----the aftermarket seems to be too "soft" and easily scratched.