Using Surbuf pad with M105 tips

**gmblack3** · 09-17-2009, 09:58 AM

KBM via Surbuf pad:

This process can be messy.

7" surbuf pad.
6" BP
PC or XPPC
Straight IPA

1. Do not prime the surbuf pad.
2. Apply 4 "larger then pea sized" dots of M105 to the pad.
3. Work the polish into an 12x12" area without turning on your PC.
4. Spritz the surface with water.
5. As in step 3, again work the polish around without turning on your PC, you are looking for a milky consistency.
6. Turn on PC and work the polish till it appears to dry.
7. Spritz more water onto the suface and continue to polish. What this does is bring the polish out of the pad and back to the surface.
8. I have found that you will need IPA sprayed onto your MF to remove the M105 from the surface.
9. Inspect and repeat if needed.

Notes:
If you find that one time is not enough to remove defects, you can always repeat #7 and keep on polishing.

After 2-3 sections, you will need to clean the pad by brushing off the pad and blowing out the excess polish with compressed air. After the pad becomes overly saturated w/ polish clean with warn water and some APC. Spin to dry. The pad does not have to be totally dry to use it again.

I have removed severe defects and 2000 grit wetsanding marks with this method.

Depedning on the hardness of the clear, you "might" be able to go right to M205 with a gray finishing pad via the KBM. Sometimes a middle step with M105/orange pad via KBM is required.

IMO this method will level paint as good as a rotary.

Sufbuf pad size. Kevin told me from the start to use the 7" surbuf pad with your 6" BP. So that is all I have used and have had great results. The small microfingers that make up the surbuf pad`s face need to bend at an angle which the 7" pad and 6" BP works together perfectly. I will order some of the 4" pads the next time I make an order.

**Old Pirate** · 09-17-2009, 06:29 PM

Thanks Bryan, I`ll be looking forward on getting some of these pads myself.

**imported_Auto Concierge** · 09-20-2009, 11:40 AM

Bryan or Kevin, when using the surbuf pads with a pc anything smaller will not net good results?. Yesterday I utilized my pc with a 4" pad and I acheived a better result in my experience than I did with a 5.75 " pad on the Porsche I am working on presently(black messed up finish of course) and the correction you get is unbelievable.

The time to correct is longer but the savings in the step to not have chase holos from compounding pays off later. I primed the pad as directed but I was getting a good amount of dust, so I added a drop of oil and the cut was slightly diminished but the dust problem went away and I was able to take some nasty defects out and after a IPA wipedown no problems and after a while the wipedown was not needed as there was no swelling or filling.

Ordered the pads(surbuf) in 5" and 4" and will see how it goes, one of the best things about the KB method is the ability to get close to trim without the fear of abrading it(will save on tape purchases in the future lol) and the pc is so light the fatigue factor is diminished. It is great when smart guys come up with cool s**t for the community!!!!! thanks Kevin and Bryan.

Anyone who thinks this method does not work I was working on CERAMIC paint....... hard as it gets and the correction is sublime(giggling ensued multiple times:thumbup

lovin it.

**imported_maesal** · 09-21-2009, 05:21 PM

Have you tried using Surbuf pads with the Flex XC3401?

**imported_User Name** · 09-21-2009, 06:30 PM

Bryan,

Great info. Thanks. I got some surbuf pads a few months ago on the advice of Porschguy and I was amazed at what I was able to achieve. Still perfecting my craft and I imagine I`ll get there before my 70th birthday!!!

**imported_Bunky** · 09-21-2009, 06:42 PM

I got a black softbuff 2.0 and used it with M205. I used it with a UDM1.0 like Mike Phillips demo`ed it at Detail Fest with nice results. MP method is more or less how the labeling on M105/M205 reads (no surprise).

I think the secret in M105/205 is just like the polish do most of the work.

**weekendwarrior** · 09-21-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by maesal

Have you tried using Surbuf pads with the Flex XC3401?

I hope to be able to give you an answer after this coming weekend...I have some experimenting in the works.

**imported_maesal** · 09-22-2009, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by weekendwarrior

I hope to be able to give you an answer after this coming weekend...I have some experimenting in the works.

Thank you very much :thumbup:

**Todd@RUPES** · 09-22-2009, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by maesal

Thank you very much :thumbup:

Hey Maesal, how are you buddy?!

**imported_maesal** · 09-22-2009, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by th0001

Hey Maesal, how are you buddy?!

Hey Todd !! I`m fine, thanks my friend. This summer I went to NY, just Manhattan. Not many detailing shops... I have to plan a visit to Florida :wink:
Regards my friend !! :notworthy:

**Todd@RUPES** · 09-23-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by maesal

Hey Todd !! I`m fine, thanks my friend. This summer I went to NY, just Manhattan. Not many detailing shops... I have to plan a visit to Florida :wink:
Regards my friend !! :notworthy:

Yes and look me up when you do!!! Keep in mind that I plan to put you to work!!!!