getting 90%+ from one step

**imported_gusbubba** · 12-31-2009, 07:28 PM

I`m not blind to the points you`re making, David.

The origin of this thread was to point out that it IS possible to get a good surface with one step. I was just backing up the OP`s findings.

Nobody`s trying to impugn your ability as a detailer and nobody expects a hassle from other members for doing things differently.

All I`m saying is that I (and, apparently, others) are able to get a good one-step result with a certain product with minimal swirling. Nobody`s saying the finish is PERFECT.

So, instead of wasting time conducting a personal pissing match, let`s get back the OP and discuss technique or whatever else could be beneficial to everyone here.

Oh, and by the way: no, it`s not much fun working for dealers that don`t know the difference----it`s futile and frustrating and I`ve left jobs because of it.

**white gecko** · 12-31-2009, 07:30 PM

I used 5.5" LC orange CCS pads. I tried the 4" flat LC orange but it left some micromarring behind. The 5.5" seems to work great though.

**David Fermani** · 12-31-2009, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by gusbubba

The origin of this thread was to point out that it IS possible to get a good surface with one step. I was just backing up the OP`s findings.

The origin of this thread was to dscuss how SIP used with a DA will do a decent amount of correction without swirls.(which I agree) That process/outcome is so far away from what you`re implying of where a wool pad used with a compound is similar. I personally think that is like comparing apples to palm trees. Sorry you feel my pointing this out is offensive, but whatever floats your boat.

Originally Posted by gusbubba

All I`m saying is that I (and, apparently, others) are able to get a good one-step result with a certain product with minimal swirling. Nobody`s saying the finish is PERFECT.

I don`t consider a "good" 1 step one that leaves compound swirls. I guess you (and others) do. I`d like to see what you think PERFECT is. :Geezx

**Thomas Dekany** · 12-31-2009, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by gmblack3a

Then what are you doing in this thread Thomas? You should put your energy into making money, as I recall that is the only reason you said you are here.

You need to start taking ginkgo biloba for your memory.

Show me where I said that. I said that at the end of the day it is money that counts. No matter how great of a detailer I think you are - that will not pay your rent or for your food. That is all. I guess you missunderstood.

After all how many free details do you do just for the love of doing it? That is what our own cars are for.

**imported_gusbubba** · 12-31-2009, 09:24 PM

You`re right,David, the thread started as an endorsement of SIP and got sidetracked to M105.....my apologies.

My idea of perfect is the same as anyone else`s here. It bothers me to have to do less, but that`s the reality of working for someone else and their expectations sometimes.

My main point is that achieving a PERFECT result isn`t always advantageous given circumstances.

By the way, I`m not talking about horrendous swirling here. I`m talking about what can be covered or filled with an LSP. I`ve managed to get it to that point, but maybe I`m just special. (Although, I don`t think so).

I`m not here to tout the virtues of underachieving, I`m here to learn (from you, among others, which I have), but I also have to make a living.

I`d rather be an opportunist (when it`s prudent) and float, than sink and drown with my over-blown sense of pride weighing me down.

**gmblack3** · 12-31-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by tdekany

You need to start taking ginkgo biloba for your memory.

Show me where I said that. I said that at the end of the day it is money that counts. No matter how great of a detailer I think you are - that will not pay your rent or for your food. That is all. I guess you missunderstood.

After all how many free details do you do just for the love of doing it? That is what our own cars are for.

Thomas, As I told you in the other thread, if the money is all that matters at the end of the day, then you will never have the passion it takes to make real money.

If you don`t understand that....sorry they don`t make a pill to help you.

**Frito Bandito** · 12-31-2009, 09:50 PM

So is this what every thread will turn into from now on? This is getting old.

**imported_gusbubba** · 12-31-2009, 09:52 PM

It is gettin` awfully arrogant in here.......

**Thomas Dekany** · 12-31-2009, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by gmblack3a

Thomas, As I told you in the other thread, if the money is all that matters at the end of the day, then you will never have the passion it takes to make real money.

If you don`t understand that....sorry they don`t make a pill to help you.

Where do you get the idea that I don`t have the passion?

If in doubt just ask DJ, Howareb or Conan 777 - They have actually worked with me. :2thumbs::2thumbs:

**David Fermani** · 01-01-2010, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by gusbubba

My main point is that achieving a PERFECT result isn`t always advantageous given circumstances.

By the way, I`m not talking about horrendous swirling here. I`m talking about what can be covered or filled with an LSP. I`ve managed to get it to that point, but maybe I`m just special. (Although, I don`t think so).

I`m not here to tout the virtues of underachieving, I`m here to learn (from you, among others, which I have), but I also have to make a living.

You sound like a perfect candidate for the Kevin Brown Method.

**autoconcierge** · 01-01-2010, 01:20 AM

I leave for a few hours and look what happens.......... (lol) we all have our favorite way of doing things and I probably should not have hijacked the thread but some hypocrisy needed to be exposed. The guys posting on this thread are ALL accomplished pro`s who do not need defend the results they get, between Kevin.B and Bryan many have changed the way they do things in the correction of paint which we all owe a debt of gratitude imho.

The great thing is if you personally get results and your customers are pleased that is the defining criteria no matter what you do to get that result, so the debate will go on as new products and the new techniques that go with them are found.

**Rickrack** · 01-01-2010, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by gusbubba

David, for details I`m being paid personally by the owner themselves, then I agree some follow-up is necessary to get the paint to where "I" want it.

However, and maybe I should`ve clarified this, the vehicles I`m referring to are dealer jobs. For the little money dealership detailers make per vehicle, the extra finishing is not worth it....especially for a boss or owner who doesn`t know the difference and certainly isn`t going to pay for the extra polishing.

So, if I can get 90% in one step and have it LSP "capable" (not LSP "ready"), then I`ll take it every time.

Some of us have to do the best we can with what we`re given sometimes and don`t have the luxury of having a large, wealthy and discerning client-base in a high income area.

I should probably apologize for making some of my livelihood in a pragmatic, non-Autopian manner.

God, this brings back memories :chuckle:. Right after I graduated high school, I bought a detailing business and had to clean 10 to 15 cars per week that were sent to the auction. I remember 1-stepping the cars with a wool pad and Pro Gold, which was good enough for the $$ I made on each car. All the guy cared about is that it lasted until it was sold, so I know what you are dealing with. As long as the guy is happy and you are making a profit, that`s all that matters.

**Rickrack** · 01-01-2010, 12:34 PM

gmblack3a- Bryan, I will keep you updated on how the EZCG is working out. Too early to tell since I`ve only used it once, but it really made the paint look great on the M3.

tdekany- Thomas, I recently bought a bottle of it from DI and thought I`d give it a shot. Like I said, I don`t use any glazes whatsoever, but decided to give it a shot since I`ve heard some pretty good things about it. I applied it via PC7424 on speed 6 and worked it in until it was almost gone. I just had to give it a quick wipe with a fresh microfiber before applying the LSP.

As Bob and DJ mentioned, it works great after you already have a perfect finish as a "gloss enhancer" and really left the paint looking nice.

**Cleaning Fool** · 01-01-2010, 01:08 PM

EZ Creme does 2 things I like. Its removes the stubborn polishing oils from polishes like Menzerna and it does add some bling to the paint. I used it prior to Zaino Z2 about a month ago and do not see any bonding or degrading from Z2 at all.

**imported_DJ Mayo** · 01-01-2010, 01:16 PM

I`m lost for words anymore on this site. You give one simple recommendation and post something you have experienced and liked and the thread goes in several directions that were never needed. I kind of missed the old days where I was a lurker

I really have to be one of the people who uses EZ Creme more than anyone else and for the PURPOSE it SHOULD be used for, it cleans the paint and you can apply whatever LSP you want on top with no problem at all.