getting 90%+ from one step

[autoconcierge]

I`m only a tad bit confused with the post, but thanks!!! LOL

Clarifacation........ On another site that you just joined, you have chronicled your use of CG acrylic and how much you like the results and not a peep from a certain four guys who asserted that when I use it the product it fills in defects thus I am not correcting the finish.......so I was pointing out to some and them how silly they look at this point in their sipping of haterade towards me thus the "Scoreboard" remark.



In a quest to try and make me look bad at any cost they exposed a contradiction in what was said and once something is on the forums it is there forever unless mods delete the post, like an assertion the product and I suck if I use it and no problem with the aforementioned product if you use it...... :nixweiss

[imported_DJ Mayo]

Clarifacation........ On another site that you just joined, you have chronicled your use of CG acrylic and how much you like the results and not a peep from a certain four guys who asserted that when I use it the product it fills in defects thus I am not correcting the finish.......so I was pointing out to some and them how silly they look at this point in their sipping of haterade towards me thus the "Scoreboard" remark.



In a quest to try and make me look bad at any cost they exposed a contradiction in what was said and once something is on the forums it is there forever unless mods delete the post, like an assertion the product and I suck if I use it and no problem with the aforementioned product if you use it...... :nixweiss

Ok thanks, Bob! I knew you were going somewhere in that direction was just trying to make sure. I have joined a few forums in the last few months, send me a PM and tell me more, tell me more!! Although I have a feeling I know who you are talking about and their little group. LOL



Hope your holidays are going well.

[gmblack3]

Use EZ Creme Glaze. If your surface looks good after that, it`s good. I have done 5-6 Prep sol wipe downs and NOTHING. Then did EZ Creme Glaze and some came back. That product is really packed with cleaners.

Disclaimer....I have no experience with EZ creme glaze.



I have looked at the product discription on the DI site (it come up first on google.)



This is what it says:

Product Information

Enhance the gloss and depth of any color paint, while hiding minor imperfections

Properly preps your paints surface for sealing with the acrylic based glaze

Easy to apply and remove when applied properly, which is as thin as possible

Best applied with a foam applicator pad and removed with a microfiber towel

When using a buffer, best applied with a black finishing pad.

Product Description

The EZ Creme Glaze is a great way to quickly add lots of shine back to your paint. With just one application you will add dramatic depth and gloss back to your paint that makes the paint look very deep. Apply the EZ Creme Glaze by hand or with a buffer and you`ll instantly notice how it helps fill in imperfections, add more shine and protect your paint. This special formula helps fill in and slight imperfections like swirls or ultra fine scratches, so they are not visible to the naked eye. The shine left behind is quite remarkable and gives you an unbelievable amount of gloss that really grabs the light for maximum reflection. Best of all this glaze offers some of the strongest protection ever put in a glaze. The polymers included in this formula bond with all clear coats and paint jobs for valuable protection against harmful weather conditions, acid rain, road grime, UV rays, etc. The versatility of this product makes it extremely valuable for any detailer to add it to their routine. Use it after applying polishes and before applying a pure sealant or wax. No matter where you use the EZ Creme Glaze in your routine you are sure to add more shine, gloss and protection with this easy to use formula.

I don`t understand how you can use this product as a "paint cleaner" to evaluate proper paint correction when they say it has fillers in it. :nixweiss

[imported_DJ Mayo]

Disclaimer....I have no experience with EZ creme glaze.



I have looked at the product discription on the DI site (it come up first on google.)



This is what it says:













I don`t understand how you can use this product as a "paint cleaner" to evaluate proper paint correction when they say it has fillers in it. :nixweiss

You also have to remember that people who sell products from other companies are only using the descriptions that they are pretty much giving.



People who sell CG stuff are only going to know what CG says on their site. There have been numerous times where 5-6 wipe downs did nothing and EZ Creme cleaned even further and showed a few imperfections remaining.



Let`s face it, how many time do us pro`s listen to the product description and directions? I sure don`t.



I am also not saying that it can`t fill, if you put it on and only work it for 10-15 seconds I`m sure it will. Fully work it into the paint until it almost absorbs into it and your set. I only use it to prep the surface before any sealant is applied. If I needed to fill, I would use something else.



Just give it a shot, it really is a great product. Works great on glass to.

[gmblack3]

You also have to remember that people who sell products from other companies are only using the descriptions that they are pretty much giving.



People who sell CG stuff are only going to know what CG says on their site. There have been numerous times where 5-6 wipe downs did nothing and EZ Creme cleaned even further and showed a few imperfections remaining.



Let`s face it, how many time do us pro`s listen to the product description and directions? I sure don`t.



I am also not saying that it can`t fill, if you put it on and only work it for 10-15 seconds I`m sure it will. Fully work it into the paint until it almost absorbs into it and your set. I only use it to prep the surface before any sealant is applied. If I needed to fill, I would use something else.



Just give it a shot, it really is a great product. Works great on glass to.

Well.....



Here is a quote from the CG site:

engineered to work with your paint and clear coat bonding to surfaces reducing slight imperfections in the paint.

I would expect CG to know whats in their product, does it fill, does it protect, ect.



When using any new product, I do read the description and directions. If someone has an issue using a product, the first thing that comes to my mind is, "Did you read the directions?"

[Cleaning Fool]

Ive never seen EZ Creme fill anything for me.

[imported_gusbubba]

I am also not saying that it can`t fill, if you put it on and only work it for 10-15 seconds I`m sure it will. Fully work it into the paint until it almost absorbs into it and your set.

^^^I use Poli-Seal the same way.



Bryan: I agree that directions should probably be read and that manufacturers/retailers should know their products best, but, where Chem. Guys is concerned, I take their product descriptions with a grain of salt.

Their website and product label descriptions don`t exactly inspire confidence or a feeling of authoritative knowledge.

I`ve used their products and like them for the most part, but I just don`t like dealing with them....their product pitches are loaded with too much B.S.

There`s too much product overlap and it`s tough to tell which exact product would BEST suit your needs.



Just my 2 cents.......

[Rickrack]

gofast908z- Jeff, the CTS looks great for one step.



Although I have finished off with just SIP before, I usually follow it with 85rd or 106fa via PC7424. It only takes and additional 20 minutes to zip over the car once it has been polished with SIP and almost guarantee`s no holograms and really deepens/darkens the paint.



Question: What size orange pad did you use? Pad size makes a huge difference...



I prefer using 5.5 inch flat orange pads with Menzerna Power Finish PO203S for 1-steps. PO203S has a little less cut than SIP, but has lots of working time, so you can really work it in and get some pretty good correction out of it while finishing perfect on black. It`s definitely worth picking some up. It`s a killer 1-step and also works great following a heavy compound on the PC.



Bryan and DJ: You guys both have good points regarding EZ Creme Glaze and both know what you`re doing. It`s actually pretty funny, because I just used it for the first time yesterday on a Jerez Black BMW M3.



Ryan and I performed a full correction, then decided to give the EZ Creme Glaze a try. I never use glazes, but heard this product was a little different. The product goes on super easy and comes off even easier. It really gave the paint a slick feel and wasn`t oily like other glazes. It made the application and removal of Collinite 915 super easy and looked great when we were done.



We already had a perfect finish before the EZCG, so I have no idea if it fills or not, but it made the paint look perfect under the halogens and removes any residue left on the finish before applying the LSP. I really do like it and will continue to test it out on different cars to see if it affects appearance, durability, protection, etc...

[Thomas Dekany]

We already had a perfect finish before the EZCG, so I have no idea if it fills or not, but it made the paint look perfect under the halogens and removes any residue left on the finish before applying the LSP. I really do like it and will continue to test it out on different cars to see if it affects appearance, durability, protection, etc...

Rick - EZ Creme should be worked into the paint until it dissapears. There is not much to wipe off.



Is the EZ what I sent Ryan or a new bottle? It sure takes a while for him to try something different.



Just like Poli Seal, if you use it with a finishing pad, it can hide - I guess. I like using it with a white or orange pad.



When is the write up going to be viewable??????



Happy 2010 Rick.

[Thomas Dekany]

You also have to remember that people who sell products from other companies are only using the descriptions that they are pretty much giving.



People who sell CG stuff are only going to know what CG says on their site. There have been numerous times where 5-6 wipe downs did nothing and EZ Creme cleaned even further and showed a few imperfections remaining.



Let`s face it, how many time do us pro`s listen to the product description and directions? I sure don`t.



I am also not saying that it can`t fill, if you put it on and only work it for 10-15 seconds I`m sure it will. Fully work it into the paint until it almost absorbs into it and your set. I only use it to prep the surface before any sealant is applied. If I needed to fill, I would use something else.



Just give it a shot, it really is a great product. Works great on glass to.

DJ - why with someone who hasn`t even tried it? Put your energy into :waxing:

[David Fermani]

I`ve one stepped some Black paints before with M105 and the TUF-BUF Black Lambswool pad on a Festool Rotex and finished LSP capable.

Mind you, these were time-crunch type details and, for my liking, could`ve used some finishing, but I got 90% of what I wanted and was sufficiently impressed with 105.

Really? :spit: I guess the definition of "LSP capable" and "could`ve used some finishing" is user defined, because I use 105/BLW alot and find myself always having to do 2 more polishing steps afterwards on dark colored paint. :nixweiss

[Cleaning Fool]

Chemical Guys descriptions tell you that they can pretty much raise the dead, so you can`t put any stock in what it says on the description. Just like Zaino Z5, which I like by the way, tells you its a swirl hider, ugh guess what, it isn`t. Most guys around here long enough should know to test test test products and come to there own conclusions on exactly what it will or won`t do.

[autoconcierge]

There is always going to be questions concerning something or some product unless you have intimate knowledge of a products capabilities in all kinds of situations, that being said this product to me at least is a paint enhancer AFTER the proper corrective techniques have been completed.



For someone doing one step details or quickies, the RIDS and or holograms will be slightly diminished but not corrected because that is not what the product is for anyway and I do not use it in that manner as well as it gives extra depth and a anti-static property to the finish just before your favorite sealant or wax is applied. In addition I have not had one problem with any sealant used as it pertains to bonding etc.....



One particular soft BMW I did a couple of years ago, I completed all the steps then applied the glaze but did a thorough IPA wipedown as at that time I did not have the countless details using this product and was concerned it might mask something only to pop out at a later time, saw the car at the mall shopping a month or two later in the hot July sun and no issues(of course the car is black) so after that I never looked back...... not once.

[autoconcierge]

Really? :spit: I guess the definition of "LSP capable" and "could`ve used some finishing" is user defined, because I use 105/BLW alot and find myself always having to do 2 more polishing steps afterwards on dark colored paint. :nixweiss

I agree, and sometimes three if I want the ultimate in depth and clarity on hard Ferrari or Porsche finishes.

[autoconcierge]

DJ - why with someone who hasn`t even tried it? Put your energy into :waxing:

As DJ pointed out on glass it rocks, but I have found CG`s Wet Mirror works even better on glass with the right towel.