M105/M205 ... then what?

**VForce** · 05-08-2009, 11:44 PM

Sorry for the complete noob question but I`m new to the Machine Polishing and profesional products land.

I have been using the old Meguiars Cleaner/Polish/Wax by hand for years.

Now I am purchasing a DA this weekend and want to get all the products I need.

My thoughts were

DA: G110

Paint Cleaner: ???

Polish: M105/M205 (Soft Paint, will likely only use the M205)

Wax: ???

Sealant: M21

QD: M135

Does that sound right? What would I put in the gaps? Am I missing anything?

Also, with the soft Obsidian Black Lexus paint, what pads would I want to use. Was looking at the the LC White, Black & Blue.

**imported_bigfoot** · 05-09-2009, 12:03 AM

If using M105 and 205, there`s no need for paint cleaner, and apply the sealant before a wax. Everything else is fine

**VForce** · 05-09-2009, 09:19 AM

So, something like this?

Polish: M105/M205 (Soft Paint, will likely only use the M205)

Sealant: M21

Wax: M26

QD: M135

Am I hurting the process by only using MeguiarÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s? I know itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s subjective but is there another brand of wax and/or sealant I should be looking at. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not too interested in ZAINO. Good product, not into ZFX and layering.

Again, sorry for the noob questions.

**Accumulator** · 05-09-2009, 11:29 AM

VForce- You might find that you like the M21 (or the M26) all by itself. It`s not like you *need* to do both a wax and a sealant.

I dunno if you`ll notice a functional difference between the black and blue LC pads :nixweiss

**VForce** · 05-09-2009, 12:04 PM

I was under the impression that the sealant protects but can leave an "unnatural" look and that is the reason for the wax.

If I`m wrong, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s great as IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m all for less steps. I just want to make sure the car looks good.

**Accumulator** · 05-09-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by VForce

I was under the impression that the sealant protects but can leave an "unnatural" look and that is the reason for the wax.

If I`m wrong, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s great as IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m all for less steps. I just want to make sure the car looks good.

Yeah, some LSPs look different from/better/worse than others, but I really think you just have to try stuff on *your* paint and see what *you* think.

FWIW, I approach it this way- I use sealants on some of our vehicles and waxes on others. You *can* have great protection from waxes (that`s not just a sealant thing) and you can have great looks from sealants (that`s not just a wax thing).

I no longer top sealants with waxes; if I want a wax-look I just use wax period. Topping sealants with waxes precludes adding more sealant later, and for me that defeats one of the reasons I`d use a sealant in the first place (namely the ability to layer).

**VForce** · 05-09-2009, 12:54 PM

Makes sense. I also like having one less step

I`ll take the wax off the order and see how I like the M21

**Jason M** · 05-09-2009, 03:57 PM

I agree with Accumulator. No need to layer over M21. Especially the 2.0 version. Has a warm look like you expect form a Nuba.

Also, M205 is very pad dependant. More so than with diminishing abrasive products. Start out with a finishing pad and 205. If you are not getting enough cut go to a polishing pad and 205. Still not enough? Then make the step to #105 on a polishing pad. After that you should be able to go to #205 on a finishing pad.

My experience with #205 is still limited but I have found pretty good varience in how it finishes out depending on how much I lean on the DA during the final passes. I have better results using moderate pressure for all 5-6 passes than lightening up on the last two. However, I have not used it on a soft clear yet. As soon as I can push myself away from the computer I`m going to do a white CR-V. I should have a better idea after that I suppose.

**VForce** · 05-09-2009, 04:06 PM

Thanks for that great advice Jason. I expect M205 with proper pad to be my polish of choice. I will have M105 around just for the spot polishing.

**Jason M** · 05-09-2009, 04:13 PM

No problem. Make sure to report back with results and pics!

**VForce** · 05-10-2009, 02:21 PM

I sure will. Product was ordered last night and I should be working on this next weekend.

**LQ9SS** · 05-10-2009, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by VForce

I sure will. Product was ordered last night and I should be working on this next weekend.

Just curious, where did you order the M105/205?

I am looking to purchase tonight as well.

**VForce** · 05-10-2009, 08:59 PM

Rick @ ADS. You can find them at Auto Detailing Solutions -- Meguiar`s Car Wax, Auto Polish & Detailing Supplies Store

**jmkiang** · 05-12-2009, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jason M

Also, M205 is very pad dependant. More so than with diminishing abrasive products. Start out with a finishing pad and 205. If you are not getting enough cut go to a polishing pad and 205. Still not enough? Then make the step to #105 on a polishing pad. After that you should be able to go to #205 on a finishing pad.

Lets say you use M205 on a LC orange but its not enough. Can I reuse the same pad with M105?

**VForce** · 05-12-2009, 10:35 AM

My guess is no for the fact that the harsh abrasives of the M105 would still be on the pad when applying the M205.

YouÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll end up with a less that M205 finish.