Kevin Brown Method

**imported_weekendwarrior** · 03-12-2009, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

I only have one of them, which was a free sample from Rick at ADS.

Weren`t you the same guy that had a signature a while back that said something to the effect that you had never been offered a free product, nor would you accept one?

I`m just messing with you Supe.

**imported_weekendwarrior** · 03-12-2009, 10:05 AM

One more thing to point out about the KB method. Some people have asked if you don`t use a ton of extra product with the pad priming. Well, one thing I noticed is sometimes, when you finish one area, you can then move to the next area WITHOUT adding any additional product to the pad. Since the abraisives don`t diminish, as long as there is a sufficient amount of lubrication left, you don`t always have to add more product to the pad.

**imported_Detailing Technology** · 03-12-2009, 10:14 AM

Even if the KB procees somehow proves to be short of stellar, I have to give the guy a lot of credit.

It takes a lot of effort and ba**s to produce a document that you know people are going to scrutinize under a microscope for months.

Im sure some have already added "XYZ Detailing is proud to offer the Kevin Brown Method" to their websites and business cards.:chuckle:

chill, chill- is a joke and a good one at that. We arent conducting brain surgery here.

**SuperBee364** · 03-12-2009, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by weekendwarrior

Weren`t you the same guy that had a signature a while back that said something to the effect that you had never been offered a free product, nor would you accept one?

I`m just messing with you Supe.

LoL, yup, that was me!

But I gotta qualify that one.. Rick was giving a Soft Buff 2.0 sample to everyone that bought a certain product from him last year. So it was a freebie that was available to everyone, and not a freebie like what a shill would get. That`s my story, and you can`t prove otherwise!

**imported_weekendwarrior** · 03-12-2009, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

LoL, yup, that was me!

But I gotta qualify that one.. Rick was giving a Soft Buff 2.0 sample to everyone that bought a certain product from him last year. So it was a freebie that was available to everyone, and not a freebie like what a shill would get. That`s my story, and you can`t prove otherwise!

I know...I knew you were referring to a freebie from a manufacturer...I was just messing with ya.

**SuperBee364** · 03-12-2009, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by jdoria

I`ll add that to my resume if I am ever looking for a job again!

"Superb ability to cultivate open and highly creative thinking virtually across multiple time zones".

Now that is just *funny*! LoL, it really does sound like a line from a resume.

**gmblack3** · 03-12-2009, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Hey, you know me... any invitation I get to run my big mouth, I`ll take!

Seriously, though, that`s exactly what I went through. If it hadn`t been for Greg Nichols, I woulda just given up on the stuff. The man is a darn good detailer and teacher. One piece of his sage advice: "Hey, Supe, never point your high pressure wand at a car unless you`ve already test sprayed it and made sure the metal tip isn`t gonna come flying off at a high rate of speed, mmmkay?":nervous2:

Disclaimer: This is all stuff I found to work well with the old formula 105. I don`t have a clue if it would work with the new stuff. My gallon of new stuff gets here today! Also, there`s going to be some things here that may contradict what I`ve said in earlier postings about 105 and how I use it, too. Things change over time and experience with a product.

Anyway.... to start off, I like to vary the pad and stick with the same polish (105) for all *correction*. For finishing or intermediate polishing, I stick with a pad (either no bite foam or finishing wool), and vary the polish.

Pick a pad that is appropriate for the condition and hardness of the paint, keeping in mind that 105 can only finish down as well as the pad you are using will allow it to. (that`s also the reason I use a no bite pad for intermediate polishing and finishing, but that`s another discussion entirely). If the paint is really hammered and in need of serious correction, I`ll use an Edge double twisted wool pad.

In order of aggressiveness, my pad choices for use with 105:

1. Black Edge wool

2. Yellow Edge wool

3. Purple foamed wool. My personal favorite, as you can do serious correction with this pad, and if you do your last few passes with very light pressure, you can get a lot of paints to finish down holo free and ready for final polishing.

4. Any no bite foam finishing pad. 105 and a no bite foam pad is an incredible combination. I use this instead of SIP now. When ever you`d reach for SIP, give this a shot. Start out with medium pressure, and finish with a few passes using just the weight of the buffer. Once again, this is where the small abrasives strut their stuff; they are able to finish out as well as they can without any interference from the pad`s bite. It really shows off 105`s finishing ability.

Edit: still more to come.

To all of our new detailers out there or those that don`t have much experience with heavy cutting wool pads, be very careful when using Black Edge wool.

**Lumadar** · 03-12-2009, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Jakerooni

Like I said I`m not dismissing anything. I`ve been talking to people behind the sceens to get more information on this. I fully admit I don`t know alot about 105. The few things I do know are it`s not in the best intrest to design an entire method around a single product. I`ve asked severl people now if this method can be used with other non-diminishing products no one knows becuase 105 so far has been the only product tested in this method to anyone`s immediate knowledge. And just like said the 105 of just a little while ago is not the 105 of today. As new laws get passed (almost daily it seems) products unfortunatly must be constanly changed and evolved to comply with the new laws. If this method indeed works with "Non-diminishing" abrasives of ANY kind then it`s a good method. If it`s soley designed around a single product as it sits today it can really become a dangerous method to rely on. I have no idea why it wouldn`t work with any and all non-diminishing products since it`s been stated that`s where the industry is headed anyways I would like to see (ot test for myself once the weather lets up a bit here) how this method works with a variety of products. I don;t think this is a bad method. (as I understand it) I do however think it`s a little outdated and if it`s in line with what I`m understanding it to be I know of several improvements that have already been made to this method throughout the years. But like stated before I have to be missing something here because I can`t understand how the "pros" here have never heard of this before. The method I know of this has been around for at least 10 years and very widely practiced by almost every detailer I;ve ever personally known. So that`s my stance currently Since I only seem to be ruffling feathers I won`t comment more on it until I see the actual method by the man himself so i can get a full understanding of it completly.

Heh, you might just want to sit on the sidelines until Kevin posts all of this :lol

For example, Kevin`s method IS NOT limited to a single product... in fact he has posted about his use of this method with several of the other compatible products, which include: M205, M86, D151, Ultimate Compound, ScratchX 2.0, SwirlX, and of course M105. As times goes on, the list will only GROW as Meguiar`s introduces more products with their exclusive technology. :woohoo:

**Accumulator** · 03-12-2009, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by RZJZA80

.. Next thing you know, the two bucket method will be disproved and there will be a surplus of buckets everywhere.

Heh heh, well...depending on how I use the foamguns....

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

In order of aggressiveness, my pad choices for use with 105:

1. Black Edge wool

2. Yellow Edge wool

3. Purple foamed wool. My personal favorite, as you can do serious correction with this pad, and if you do your last few passes with very light pressure, you can get a lot of paints to finish down holo free and ready for final polishing.

4. Any no bite foam finishing pad...

The above is *via rotary*, right? Noting once again that I`ve only started using M105, I`ve done well with foam pads when using it via PC and FLex 3401.

**SuperBee364** · 03-12-2009, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Accumulator

Heh heh, well...depending on how I use the foamguns....

The above is *via rotary*, right? Noting once again that I`ve only started using M105, I`ve done well with foam pads when using it via PC and FLex 3401.

Accumulator`s foam gun and jiggle method has made the two bucket method obsolete for a while now.

Yes, that`s all via rotary, and as gmblack3a said, be very careful when using black or yellow edge wool. Especially with a heavy hitter like 105. I should have said, "My pad choices, in order of aggressiveness with the most aggressive at the top."

**imported_billzabub** · 03-12-2009, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

lol

Esit: billzabub, I`m sure glad you decided to come out of your four year lurk mode.:hifive:

Thanks! I try to abide by that old saying "It`s better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re an idiot than to drive to Florida ...errrrrr... open it and prove it." :grinno:

**SuperBee364** · 03-12-2009, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by billzabub

Thanks! I try to abide by that old saying "It`s better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re an idiot than to drive to Florida ...errrrrr... open it and prove it." :grinno:

:LOLOL:LOLOL :spit::spit:Let`s go together and split the gas expense

**SuperBee364** · 03-12-2009, 11:42 AM

Well, I`m finally done running off at the mouth about how I use 105... While we wait for Kevin to get the paper done, it`d be great to hear how others have been using it, what I`m doing wrong, suggestions, etc. Everything I know about using 105 I learned from the guys here on Autopia, and first hand with Greg Nichols.

**Accumulator** · 03-12-2009, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Accumulator`s foam gun and jiggle method has made the two bucket method obsolete for a while now...

Well, I wouldn`t go quite *that* far, though sometimes when I *am* using all the buckets along with my method...well, I wonder if I`m just wasting time/effort/product for the sake of my peace of mind (not that *that* isn`t worth something).

**Deep Gloss Auto Salon** · 03-12-2009, 12:26 PM

And I remember the good ole` days when the heated discussions were about if Zaino and Duragloss were the same or about every other product just being a relabeled CG product or what wax was best.....:cooleek: